Is this childfree or parent hating? Some introspection might be in order - just saying
Never seen a child free community that wasn’t about hating on parents and children. Seems like a bitter adolescent thing tbh. What a strange way to live.
You know what will really bring us together and save our marriage?
A rabbit!!!
Definitely not traveling, going on dates, or doing the things that used to bring us joy. Let’s bring a massive bundle of stress back home from the hospital.
The urge to procreate is instinctual, and having children is essential not just for the survival of our species, but also for the continued functioning of society, let alone the economy. Governments should, among a great deal of other things, be supporting parents. At a minimum, parental leave and tax incentives are essential under capitalism. Otherwise, yeah, it’s easy to feel beaten down by a society that expects you to take care of multiple people with an income that is increasingly barely enough to take care of yourself, and also expects all of your time to do it, so you must choose between taking care of yourself or your family. Then to add insult to injury, they hate you for it, make memes mocking you, and devote entire forums to discussing how entitled you are.
There are already 8 billion humans, countries have destroyed 80-90% of their forests to put plantations to feed animals to feed ourselves and our children while we waste a big chunk of it. Not to talk about the tons of rubbish we create in the process and a pollution that may already doomed us.
And we want more and more. When will be enough? At 20 billion? Or do we make infinite children? Maybe actually stopping having children before it’s too late is the essential for the survival of our species.
And for the continued functioned of society and the economy? Yeah you are right here. But again when will be enough? At 20 billion? Or do we make infinite children for infinite continuation of the economy? The economy is slowly collapsing already.
Overpopulation is not the cause of global collapse. That way of thinking always leads to the poor people getting blamed for even existing. We can sustain more people. What we can’t sustain is our wasteful Western materialistic way of life. Let’s start by eliminating industrial scale cattle farming.
Self-cherishing attitude is the cause of all our problems not just global collapse.
Industrial scale cattle farming is a must to support the current demand and it exists because we can’t care enough to renounce the pleasure of eating meat. It is always me, me and me. And the problem is always because the other, the other and the other.
Of course we can sustain a lot of more of people, but not with our mindset.
Right, so then don’t reduce population, but consumption. Blaming people will lead to the worst outcomes. Who are the ones who should stop existing? Can’t you see how that way of thinking is promoting fascism, genocide?
But how do we reduce consumption? I believe that for whatever mess we are in we have to start by blaming ourselves, not just our personal problems. Blaming the other won’t change anything. I blamed myself of all the world problems and I reduced my consumption to aprox a 90%, I started to use my car only when really needed, started to buy locally, cancelled all my shit and even went vegan, and I feel that I still could do better, sorry for the “holier than thou”, I’m trying to give an example.
I don’t really know how you got that my conclusion was to make someone stop existing. For a start you can’t make stop existing something it doesn’t exist yet. I also don’t believe we should literally stop having children, but be more mindful of what we do, and that our mindset is the problem. The “I want this, I want that”. But my other point was, do we really need more population when we do not have our shit together? We don’t even understand what the problem is. We will consume to our extinction while blaming the other.
This post is weirdly judgemental.
If you like your child free life so much, why do you feel the need to comment on those that aren’t.
Because parents comment on our “selfish” child free life all fucking day long, I guess
Do we? Are these parents in the room with us now?
There’s not even that many comments, something tells me you didn’t even check first.
The one you linked doesn’t call anyone selfish.
Doesn’t say it outright, no, but it says it’s vitally important that we reproduce for the good of the species and the economy. What do you call someone that refuses to do something that’s so important for everyone?
As a society as a whole, yes currently things are set up that way, pretending otherwise is straight up denial. Equally some folk don’t want or can’t have kids, that’s also fine. Both these things can be true without anyone accusing anyone of being selfish.
