deleted by creator
Used guns are not much of a reliability concern. They’re pretty durable goods. Plus, you should really be looking the thing over in person before you buy it anyway, and ideally put a few magazines through it.
I was gonna say, there goes my dream of buying a brand new Honda CB500F. The MSRP is ~$7000 right now. It’s gonna skyrocket.
That is a bit high, but I think it might still be worth it. And Honda’s are well made too, so it will last you a good while.
That is a bit high
Exact MSRP for my area is $6899 with a +$600 “destination fee”. Plus taxes.
but I think it might still be worth it.
Probably. But see below 👇
And Honda’s are well made too, so it will last you a good while.
I already own two other Hondas: a modified 2007 Metropolitan (lowered, stretched, some Ruckus parts), and a 1980 XR500. I know 😅
Sure you can probably get a good value on a bluray player because people are getting rid of them still to go all streaming. But can you get a good price on a used working order 4K TV? Probably not. The prices of even used 2 generation old goods are going to be as high as they were when new before tariffs hit.
Used is not going to be cheaper in a week or a month or 3 months of tariffs, it’s going to be the same amount as new right now or possibly more.
These days there are sooo many resellers, flippers, scalpers. People who think it’s a side hustle to go around buying up cheap used stuff and selling it for just below the price of new stuff and pocketing the difference. It’s become so hard. Late capitalism ruins even good deeds.
deleted by creator
It was just an example. Probably not even a good one. Sorry for the negativity though. Feel badly for lending towards a negative mood but well I had my own reasons, negative experiences. Just the same I’ve edited a little.
Gotta look at the right places and be patient
I went to an estate sale and got a bunch of freebies
I also picked up folding mattresses for 10 usd when a new one is 60 ish
My pc is a secondhand for about 600 or so when the parts itself are 1.2k new
Buying secondhand is not the same as just walking into a store and finding what you need at a fixed price.
Sure it’s harder especially for certain things (mostly hobbyist stuff and fashion) but TVs are not hard to find for a reasonable price.
Any member of the class of people who toil in the soil are peasants in China. That’s roughly 50% of the population. What’s offensive?
i keep trying to get secondhand underwear but the upcharge is ridiculous
Secondhand needles, on the other hand, are free. People just leave them lying about!
Are you sure that’s how it works? Seems like a huge loophole to avoid the tariffs
You’ll never believe how it effects sales tax (if you’re not buying from a second hand store).
Tariffs are a fee you pay to import something. The assumption of the meme is that you’re buying something second hand that was imported before the tariffs (or after, it doesn’t matter, you’re not importing it).
I mean, 99% of the time you’re not the one doing the importing anyway so you don’t actually pay the tariff but the company you’re buying from will, and will almost certainly increase the price to make up for the higher cost to supply.
99% of the time you’re not the one doing the importing anyway so you don’t actually pay the tariff but the company you’re buying from will, and will almost certainly increase the price to make up for the higher cost to supply.
This is a contradiction. Yes, the end consumer may not be directly be responsible for paying the tariffs, but we’re still paying it when a company passes on the costs to us.
…
It’s absolutely not a contradiction, it’s a technicality. You as a person will almost certainly not ever pay a tariff in your life. And there’s a very small chance that a supplier might partially or entirely cover the tariff, either to retain customers during what they might hope is a temporary policy, or to undercut competitors.
I get why you want to say what you’re saying though.
You will never pay a tariff, but you will pay more (about exactly the cost of the tariff if not a little more for a bit of extra profiteering) is a distinction without a difference. It’s not even meaningfully pedantic.
I import wine. The entirety of the tariff is not being assigned to all products equally so that wine we want to hit the shelf at $12 isn’t getting a massive increase as we will take the hit to move the product. What we won’t do is bring that wine back again because next time it can’t be $12 and it isn’t worth $15-17.
There’s an example of the customer not paying the tariff and the business
If I want to buy wine from you it will now cost $15-17 if I wanted to get that wine and if you wanted to supply it. How is that cost not being passed directly to the consumer and ultimately being paid by the consumer? If you paid the tariff price and kept the retail price the same then that would be a whole different situation, but that isn’t going to happen. The end customer will pay the excess.
We are eating the tariff on the boat that’s in the water and refusing to carry it after that.
We are specifically discussing the situation in which it makes a significant difference: items which were already imported. Someone asked a question if second hand items were somehow a loophole which indicated they needed an actual understanding of how tariffs are applied, not your vibes-based fluff.
Yeah on second hand goods, I’m not disputing the point. “You will never pay a tariff in your life” is not qualified by this discussion.
You will (probably) not pay a tariff in your life in much the same way that will not pay the Suez Canal fee, carbon tax, employers tax or municipal rates.
We get it, you’re very clever and have figured out the absolutely bare minimum of economics that higher costs lead to higher prices. The original commenter was asking a technical question about a loophole and it’s been answered. You don’t actually have to contribute if you don’t have anything relevant to say.
God you two are both idiots you’re saying the same thing you’re just arguing for arguing sake.
Myself and @[email protected] are not the enemy here. There is absolutely no reason to attack each other. If you want to get angry at someone, get angry at the oligarchs.
I feel like this could easily devolve into a circular debate. I see you as on the side of “technically correct”, while I’m looking at it from an “all roads lead to Rome” aspect.
Regardless, the end result is the same: people like me and you are the ones who are paying higher prices.
Corporate sellers are going to add tariffs prices regardless of whether that product was impacted by a tariff or not whenever they possibly can.
The guy from craigslist is not paying taxes, sorry for the convenience.
It’s not a loophole. And it’s not quite the tariff hack it’s made out to be here. There’s no tariffs sure. But tariffs will undoubtedly increase the price of the item when it is bought the first time which means it will then cost more in the secondary market. Still, buying things second hand is fantastic and is highly, highly underutilized in the current climate.
I can’t eat used furniture Steve…
We’re Beavers, how many times do I have to remind you?..
Kinda feel like you just described farming.
deleted by creator
No tariffs at the thrift store.
Don’t give them ideas
Or just don’t buy at all.
That’s the reduce part
But I want a bigger bike :(
build it yourself after that build it for others. eventually later start a new BiggerBike company. profit … retire.
OK buy secondhand. Or buy junked parts and build it. It’s not just eco friendly, it’s also fun
I bought some used hard drives. How else am I supposed to get 3.2TB for $20?
Yes, but fast fashion, fast furniture, etc.
Fast global warming
fast furniture
If you make it from sapient pearwood
Nah, it’s chipboard, sometimes with cardboard as filler. My Ikea GAMER desk, while million times better as a desk than what I previously had (an old Polish socks drawer that happened to be at the correct height), it’s not very good for anything beyond that, also it’s like it’s starting to fall apart a bit.
There are places that’ll make you a new top for your IKEA desk out of solid wood. Thought about doing that with my UPPSPEL. Functionally it’s fine, but the finish is looking a bit ratty.
That’s why I prefer to build my own furniture out of solid hardwood.
Which is about to be extremely unaffordable.
Much less so than imported crap from Ikea.
I significantly doubt that.
One is made from imported materials. The other is made from locally available materials. There ain’t no tariffs on lumber from within an hour’s drive of my house.
But the value of the new product goes up if people tend to buy the used version of it.
I would love to see a source for the actual claim that buying used avoids tarrifs, because all I can find says that tarrifs still apply to used products being imported.
deleted by creator
deleted by creator
Or, better yet, just give the stuff you don’t need to the people interested in getting it, and participate in mutual exchange.
Crush capitalism!
- Posts item for free
- Gets message “how much does this cost?”
- ”Its free”
- ”Can you deliver it to me? (Insert some excuse here)”
That’s when you make them pay the shipping + a bit of extra charge for your time since they did asked for price before.
put item on sidewalk with sign that says “free!”
Item sits there for months
Remove sign that says free, and replace with one that says “$100 OBO”
Item is gone by morning
“Unfortunately, no. I currently don’t have resources to deliver stuff, but I’ll be happy to see you at my place!”
But yeah, classic on your end :D
Free table - sits out for days
Put an 100 dollar sign on the table - stolen in 5 minutes
This is actually a tactic Antoine-Augustin Parmentier used to popularize potatoes in France. He couldn’t get people to accept potatoes, so he placed armed guards to protect the plants, and withdrew them at a certain point in the day so that people could steal them.
Even if you intend to give it away for free, still price it. Once it’s free it will attract a lot of… shady characters. In my experience at least. Even asking a very cheap price will almost eliminate all the weirdos and odd requests. It’s like they only search for stuff that’s free. When it came to my kid’s old toys I ended giving it away for free when they came to pick it up with cash in hand.
Even better to donate to a toy library, to make sure it isn’t going to someone who is just going to flip it.
My experience with the toys has been that’s it’s usually single parents with not much money wanting to get something for their kid(s). But your option is also a great idea.
deleted by creator
Yep! This has worked really well for me! If I list things as free, I tend to get people with tons of questions and excuses, and lots of flakes or scammers. If I post things with a pretty low price, people are usually much more pleasant to deal with.
