I also blame the 90M eligible voters that abstained from the election. Think about that for a second. There were 13M more people that did nothing, than all of the people that voted for Trump.
Welcome to adulthood. Make a choice or one will be made for you. If you stand for nothing, then you’ll fall for anything.
And then think about how the Democrats could have campaigned those people rather than chasing Republicans by adopting anti-immigration policies and platforming people like Liz Cheney, for example.
But they didn’t.
Welcome to adulthood. Establishment politicians, whether Republican or Democrat, are beholden to the rich and neoliberalism. We’re even seeing this with how establishment Dems are pushing back against populist, progressive figures like Bernie Sanders and AOC in favor of Cory Booker and Chris Murphy.
AND then consider how Joe Biden is coming back from the brink of death by saying that he and Jill will build back the Democratic party, thinking that people will forget how Biden shot down Bernie’s chances in 2020 or how he said he’d be a single term president, waiting until the first presidential debate with Trump months before the election to show just how fucking incompetent he is.
Maybe more people abstained from this election because the two biggest parties didn’t look any different, so who cares about the outcome!
Inb4 people come here to defend their self-righteousness. No, nephews. You made a stupid choice for stupid reasons, and it’s time to accept your core values are obnoxious and self-centered, and then shape up.
Same phrase applies to non voters and trumpanzees alike. You were lied to and you fell for it … simple as
100% agree. I don’t really care what their reasons for not voting Harris was.
If they abstained from voting because of Israel, or her affiliation with the prison industrial complex, if it was something ignorant like skin color or gender, or if they voted against her because they either supported Trump, or just always voted Republican no matter what.
Trump voters and non voters decided that the worlds largest military should be long to fascists.
I have no respect for people who whine that this is not what they voted for, because it was. Ignorance is no excuse.
If you regret your actions, NOW is the time to make up for it. Become politically active, speak up, inform your friends, do SOMETHING!
If you didn’t vote for Harris in 2024, and you are not yet politically active against republicans, you deserve the bullets coming in your civil war.
So fucking glad i am not American.
nonvoters, tautologically, decided nothing.
Non-voters decided it wasn’t worth it to them to vote against fascism.
That makes fascism very much their fault too.
the democratic party decided they wanted trump to win the primary in 2016, when do they get blamed?
I blame them all the time too. The chair of the DNC had to step down because of their corruption in Bernies primary, but the courts ruled it wasn’t technically against any laws, so Hillary Clinton straight up hired her to run her campaign after that.
Its grotesque. But it doesn’t change the fact that anyone who didn’t vote for Harris in 2024 voted for fascism.
You should really ask yourself why so many people just didn’t see the point in voting.
Voting doesn’t always mean you 100% agree with the party you are voting for. Sometimes it means that you vote for the least bad option to prevent system collapse. I say this as a South African whose only voting goal for years was to prevent the ANC from getting a sufficiently high majority to be able to change the constitution. We came insanely close a few times but made it through.
Not voting in the US election was a choice, a choice not to stand against Trump. So anyone who didn’t think Trump was bad enough to vote against, doesn’t get to blame the GOP for what’s happening.
All that is needed for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing.
That is a fair point, but for this to happen, there must have been a fair few who just didn’t see much difference between the two parties.
If they honestly thought both parties were equally bad, then they’re getting what they expected - an untrustworthy political party that doesn’t represent their values. I trust they’re feeling sufficiently vindicated.
Ill respect someone that voted 3rd party or drew a cock and balls on the ballot over someone who didn’t bother.
Honestly I don’t think I would. That means it’s someone who’s informed as well as has the means to vote, and decided to let trump take over again.
Meh, blame the game, not the player. If someone wants to vote third party that’s their democratic right under the system. If you don’t like it fight for change to runoff voting.
Edit: hate it all you like, your system allows you to vote third party, so don’t be surprised when people do.
The democrats support the FPTP system as well, if they lose because of it I feel they deserve it.
Not American though, I voted for a 3rd party candidate in the UK election. I don’t think anything will change until we make them lose too many votes to other parties.
I wonder what made the majority of those people not vote at all.
Ignorance. Willful or otherwise, there is no excuse when Trump was broadcasting his plans of dismantling our government to drive inequality and white supremacy.
Couldn’t have been successive gerrymandering, anti-voting laws, Democrats becoming Republican-Lite, increasing inflation, steadying wages, Democrats actively touting policies against the popular public mindset, Democrats failing to advertise their wins, Joe Biden going back on his word and waiting too long to drop out, Joe Biden and establishment Dems muting Kamala’s & Tim’s popular, progressive agenda, Joe Biden dropping out to force the least liked Californian politician to be the presidential front runner, Kamala literally saying she’s no different from Joe Biden, that we don’t have a federal holiday to allow all people the freedom to step away from the lifeline that is work to exercise their civic duty, on and on.
Nah, it wasn’t the system. People are just dumb.
And they are! Hell, I remember seeing interviews on Election Day where people still thought that it was Biden v. Trump. Even Trump forgot he wasn’t campaigning against Biden.
Democrats snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. They could have accounted for all of these social issues, but establishment leadership doesn’t care for the working class if it means they still get their paycheck and their spotlight in Congress.
Probably go a long way making the days we vote federal holidays.
the yougov poll showed that it was because they didn’t want to be complicit w the gazan genocide
Trump: ‘Let lsrael finish the job’ in Gaza.
That was before the election. Also, everywhere I looked, experts were saying Trump would be worse for Palestinians. And now here we are. If people say they care about this issue, they had a duty to inform themselves about it. I just saw 2 articles about how Palestinian medics were handcuffed and executed. The 2nd was about Israeli snipers shooting children! Harris’ administration would have been far better for Palestinians. Plus, unlike Trump, she actually has the capacity of empathy and introspection. We could have pushed back on a lot of Pro-Israel policies and changed a lot. Guarantee it. Trump is worse.
Which is pretty self-righteous, knowing full well that Trump has done for Netanyahu in his first term, and how he openly stated that Israel just needs to “finish the job.”
Apathy? Laziness? Or are the evil Democrats that kept people from voting against fascism in the room with you right now?
Frustration at having to choose between being fucked slowly or quickly. I’m no accelerationist, but I get the feeling.
No, they knew what it was. They just didn’t think it would affect them.
This right here. Dumbasses thought they were not on the list but it turns out they had just not gotten that far down the list yet.
I never thought the leopards would eat my face!
Farmers didn’t realize they were the E in DEI
Meh. This meme is straight up lifted from /pol/, and people there usually go “I voted for this EXACTLY” when news break about how foreigners are abducted from streets and Vance is preparing for an ideological war with Europe.
“Moderates” and old geezer Republicans fell for his lies (again), big surprise. You won’t find them here. The people who made this meme (originally about Israel by the way) only lament how Trump has still not publicly executed Obama and Pelosi.
No one read it. There were plenty of more obvious warnings.
He’s doing everything he promised to do and then some. But don’t worry, the outcome would have been the same regardless of who we voted for, remember?
Everything he’s doing he promised but he absolutely is not doing everything he promised. Look at the stock market, egg prices, America’s greatness etc.
Im having a grand time pointing it out as often as possible. Oh you had to skip on lunchables because they went up this month? glad your vote is working out. Gas still the same price? wonder who is doing that now. Oh you didnt get your bonus check, due to increased business costs? I wonder why.
Trump literally spouting hate, absurd deportation rhetoric, and insane tariffs while on the campaign.
I didn’t know he would do that!
It wasn’t supposed to ruin my life just the other Average American people!Republicans are the stupidest racists on the planet, they can’t even recognize when they’re about to get robbed after being told they’re going to get robbed by the robber.
Seeing a Hispanic Virginia citizen that voted for trump get arrested by ICE without warrant is the full circle stupidity that I’ve attributed to uncle Toms and log cabinors in the past. You voted so ICE would roll up on people and just grab them off the street because you wanted to be a pick me. Well they picked you up dumbass.
It’s the same shit I see when “moderates” get all surprise Pikachu faced when the “fiscal conservatives” they wanted, piss on them with trickle down economics.
You voted so ICE would roll up on people and just grab them off the street because you wanted to be a pick me. Well they picked you up dumbass.
They wanted to be a pick me; they were picked to be deported.
Country: Has undemocratic two-party system. Elects a nutjob.
You guys: “The people are the problem!!1!1! Just vote for the only other party even if you don’t agree with them on anything!”
The people who voted for the guy directly endorsed by nazis and hate groups, who has an agenda drafted by a prominent hate-monger, are indeed the problem.
Yes, the other choice was a genocide apologist who ALSO sucks corporate dick, but has the decency to throw the average populous a bone now and again and doesn’t fuck up (as many) foreign trade deals and alliances.
Yes, the SOLUTION is to change our election system. But the PROBLEM is fascism, and a shit ton of people voted for more fascism.
Paste of part of my answer from another reply:
Imagine if Alice is a murderer, and she asks Bob if she should kill two people or five people. Bob says “five”. Now, I will of course be angry at Bob for choosing the obviously worse alternative, but I will in no way claim that he is the cause of the problem. I will not go out and rally support for “Only two people”, I will rally support for “Let’s get rid of Alice”.
Same scenario
You CAN’T stop Alice. You just can’t. You don’t have the man power or the legal means.
So your choices are, 2 people or 5 people. If you choose to do nothing, 5 people die, if you swallow the moral superiority, only 2 people die.
Which are you choosing?
You formulated a question where your answer means you don’t have ANY culpability even though you can clearly see the murders coming and mitigate it’s damage.
Yes, outside of this decision, campaign to have Alice executed or jailed or whatever, but that won’t stop Alice from killing 5 people, she’s just GOING TO WIN if you don’t stop her. You CAN reduce the number of deaths and continue to fight, hopefully with 3 more people to stand up to that kind of tyranny.
In this scenario, I’m not the one choosing, Bob is. And when Bob says “five”, i will be angry, but it will be nothing in comparison with my Anger towards Alice who now can kill five people instead of the two she has been killing on a regular basis before. She’s the one presenting the alternatives, Bob isn’t. She’s the one performing the murders, Bob isn’t. She’s the one that deserves my anger.
In a similar fashion I am not angry with anyone saying “two” either, “beacuse they could’ve said none yadayada”. I am, almost exclusively, angry with Alice.
Your stance is like a person seeing a riot from afar… deciding to walk towards the riot, the closer they get the more violence they see, the worst it looks, yet this person decides it’s no problem and keeps on walking closer and closer until they get to the heart of the riot, fire everywhere bullets flying around… one group tells the person to duck and get cover but this person decides it’s all the same and maybe those bullets don’t hurt as much as people say so they decide to jump right in the middle of the street.
Finally, when a bullet is heading their way, time slows down and with the bullet inches away from their forehead they say “well, I have no choice but to eat this bullet!, there is no other recourse now, I have no choice in the matter”
You seem to completely misunderstand me. Voting for any of the two main parties, both of whom want the country to be a tyrannical military megaforce that is no stranger to overthrowing democracies, is like accepting the faith of the bullet. Going against any such system is what I am advocating - NOT accepting the bullet. We simply seem to have different views of what the bullet is.
Imagine if Alice is a murderer, and she asks Bob if she should kill two people or five people. Bob says “five”. Now, I will of course be angry at Bob for choosing the obviously worse alternative, but I will in no way claim that he is the cause of the problem. I will not go out and rally support for “Only two people”, I will rally support for “Let’s get rid of Alice”.
No, you lack nuance
The democrats are the people telling to duck for cover, they are not solving the problem, but they are delaying the bullet to the head
You are also not advocating anything against the system. That would require at least some action.
In your example, you are not rallying agaist Alice, you are just refusing to make a choice so the rest will do it for you
The reality is, however you got there, that either 2 or 5 people will die. Your lack of participation ensures 5 people will die
In my example I very clearly am rallying against Alice. In every possible way. I would be fuming, throwing stones, screaming to everyone around me. But I would not accept her proposition to Bob. I would not claim that I “have” to play Alice’s game, because she’s in charge and I have to accept that. I don’t have to accept that. At all.
I would do everything I could to stop her, and almost all of my Anger would be towards her, not towards Bob (I obviously would be angry with him too but he’s after all not a murderer - Alice is).
Keep in mind that in the example, Bob probably believes for some reason that when Alice says two, she means ten.
Yes but in your example, not voting for 2 people to die guaranteed 5 did
You talk like voting for Kamala to prevent Trump means you nowbside with Kamala and the system in every way. Voting for the lesser evil does not stops you at all from rallying against the system and doing everything possible to change it.
You almost get me!
Vote for whoever you want! What I am saying is that your anger towards your peers who happened to indulge in different propaganda and voted for something different is misdirected.
The voters are not the problem.
I do get you, I just do not think letting MAGAs off the hook is accurate, fair or wise for the future… Same way I can understand someone stealing food out of hunger but wouldn’t condone them if they steal with violence
I get some people were fooled into this but I’m convinced MAGAs devotion for trump is not coming from “he’ll make the food cheap again” and more from “that’ll show <insert minority group here> who is the boss around here”
Full disclosure, I’m Canadian so these are not my peers although we do have equivalent ones
TBH I’m okay with folks admitting they were lied to. Just help us fix this now.
But herp my derp, Trump claimed he knew nothing of it right before the election.
Too much of voting depends on who will you let lie to you.
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And they’re supposed to know what the sign says? You think these people can read?
“Trump’s all talk. He’s not going to do that.”
“Oh shit. He’s doing all that stupid shit.”
after WW2 and the horrors of the Nazis came fully to light…people kept asking…how did the German people let this happen? how did they let it continue until disaster fell? how could they have allowed such cruelty and degradation to occur?
THIS was how. by not paying attention. by ignoring the growing inequities and terror going on in their midst. BY PRETENDING EVERYTHING WAS OK.
and now WE are doing the same. it’s easy to ignore right now…it isn’t TOO bad…not TOO many people are being affected…yet.
we need to stop ignoring and start paying attention to exactly what they are doing.
For real. And yet some ppl still thinks he’s 4d chessing even after all this sht.
