I don’t think they can read. I won’t blame them
They were so happy they got to screw over everyone they disagreed with. They considered themselves apart, separate, better, than those they disagreed with. They were the Real America™, the rest of us weren’t part of that. They completely overlooked the fact that, for now at least, we are all still Americans, living in the same country, under the same economy, and the same rules. So they suffer the consequences of their hubris and myopic exceptionalism.
TBH I’m okay with folks admitting they were lied to. Just help us fix this now.
No one read it. There were plenty of more obvious warnings.
they’ll then tell you that he disavowed project 2025 because he doesn’t lie every other sentence.
“every politician lies” they’ll say about Kamala Harris’ affordable housing programs
I mean he’s a convinced felon. I do t get why anyone would any need to read anything else
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You’re correct but, I like to use both what they do and don’t do 🤷♂️
Wait- aren’t those the same thing in a way? 🤔
Yes, those are the same thing. The person you’re replying to makes some good points, but in a word-salad way.
They’re confusing something the president didn’t do as a non-action, but “not telling the truth” = “lying”.
I think (hope) what they were trying to say was the common saying, something like, “Judge someone more on what they do than what they say.” For example, if a president says “protect America”, like who wouldn’t want that? But when what they “do” is deport legal, non-criminal immigrants who have valid work and school visas, that is what you should be watching.
they are but they aren’t. for example.
two people stand in front of you.
person A tells half truths.
person B tells half lies.
which will you trust more?
technically both are doing the same amount of lying but person B is actively lying to you by including false information while person A is not telling you the whole truth by omitting it.
I think the “half truths” make it a less apt comparison but I think using that riddle is a really good way to think about it!
Given that most felons are people convicted of drug crimes and targeted because of their race, I’d say that many if not most don’t even require reform. I’d probably rather spend time with most felons than most CEOs.
We should forgive drug “use” crimes, but not drug “distribution” crimes. Those people destroy families and communities.
Gifting a friend a gram is a distributing crime as well…
“Trump’s all talk. He’s not going to do that.”
“Oh shit. He’s doing all that stupid shit.”
here’s another useful one
It was never a paradox.
You just need to acknowledge that there is a limit to how tolerant the world can be. Maybe it is at 100% but there is a limit.
Then you just need to show that tolerance towards e.g. Nazism result in less tolerance than being intolerant to it.
Lol. The Paradox of Tolerance is on par with the Libertarian Non-aggression Principle. Purely academic, purely subjective and, ironically, a moral imposition.
the paradox of tolerance is […] Purely academic
Yes? That’s kinda the point of a thought experiment ? Do you think the trolley problem is less than “purely academic”? Or that Schrodinger actually put a cat in a box?
There are many people, like OP, that see things like the paradox of tolerance as some nouveau morality. It presents itself under the guise of being peaceful and tolerant when it is really a moral subjectivists justification for violence. It is dishonest and so are it’s proponents.
Im having a grand time pointing it out as often as possible. Oh you had to skip on lunchables because they went up this month? glad your vote is working out. Gas still the same price? wonder who is doing that now. Oh you didnt get your bonus check, due to increased business costs? I wonder why.
https://www.project2025.observer/
Thing is, we’re all going to burn together. The one bright spot in the coming years will be that moment when maga realizes they are going down along with everyone they wanted him to hurt.
It won’t fix everything, but that schadenfreude will keep me warm in my final moments.
This is the definition of culling the entire working class, this lizard brain level sentiment regarding one another.
Defense of a plastic faced immigrant billionaire with dead fish eyes when you profess to dislike immigrants, violations of the constitution, government overreach, and rich bosses who are neither fair or deserving of their employees. Or employers who choose the immigrant worker they can take advantage of (H1B) over an American.
Why? For no other reason than the “other side” thinks he’s bad for America, working class, and the constitution. Bad for We The People.
It’s masterful social engineering, really, keeping working class fighting each other instead of going after the cause of the decades long and ever worsening [class] problems.
I don’t think my decision to never interact voluntarily with a Republican again is going to impact the fate of the world much.
they’ll be proud to sacrifice for the cause of hurting others
The internet says:
… to own the libs.
This makes it ok.
I fear it will be like anti vaxxers dying on a ventilator during covid. By the time they realize that they did in fact fuck up and the magnitude of said fuckup, they’ll have metaphorical tubes in their throat and it will be too late for it to matter. What I fear the most is that we have less than a year or that we’re already there. Talks of invasion and third term abound it’s only a matter of time the melting brain of trump starts trying to nuke someone
I fear it will be like anti vaxxers dying on a ventilator during covid. By the time they realize that they did in fact fuck up and the magnitude of said fuckup, they’ll have metaphorical tubes in their throat and it will be too late for it to matter.
It’s already too late for it to matter. At the first whimpering of complaints from some tiny minority of Republican voters they just stopped showing up to their own town halls.
Every R in an elected position is complicit at best and full throated supporting at worst (and for that matter so is every R in my circle of family and friends - no surprise given his 92% favorability rating with Republicans), and elected R representatives no longer even care about the opinions of their base unless they are from the ones still drinking the flavor aid.
I have some R’s in my circle who say I’m over-reacting, but I feel the objective evidence is out there. Maybe they’re just ok with it. What’s your experience with your R circle?
Depending on topic, they are either OK with it, that I’m over reacting (they are only putting criminals in those camps), or believe any evidence not from the sources you might expect is fake.
And honestly, I don’t push at all, because I’m going to change zero minds and I’ve got enough cortisol in my life already. I prefer to just pretend those people aren’t in my circle when I can.
I’m a naturally opinionated, confrontational, and accusatory person, so it’s hard to not hold my R-voter circle accountable, especially when they not only won’t condemn what’s going on, but they defend it, deflect, and try to gaslight. I keep wondering how bad things have to get for them to finally admit something’s wrong, but at the same time I’m hoping I’m the one who’s wrong and things are only going to be a little bad. I’d much rather have been wrong and laughed at later than to be right about what’s on the horizon.
I’d much rather have been wrong and laughed at later than to be right about what’s on the horizon.
Dude, I firmly believe that if we appear wrong later, it means that things happened openly or behind the scenes that stopped it, not that we were wrong.
I would sincerely like to see another post from you if/when you cross that line where even the die hards (or for that matter even the rank and file Rs) start to think something smells.
but they defend it, deflect, and try to gaslight.
This is a huge part of why I just don’t engage. I can handle protracted, passionate disagreement. I can’t handle deflections, false equivalences and gaslighting. I cannot deal with that kind of thing like a rational adult, and then I get accused of being angry due to disagreement when it’s nothing of the sort.
Due to events since then - namely Cory Booker - if you have any kind of regular dialogue with those folks that you’d be comfortable sharing, I’d love to know if it penetrated at all in your opinion.
“But he promised (lied again) about not knowing a thing about it!”
He’s doing everything he promised to do and then some. But don’t worry, the outcome would have been the same regardless of who we voted for, remember?
Everything he’s doing he promised but he absolutely is not doing everything he promised. Look at the stock market, egg prices, America’s greatness etc.
And they’re supposed to know what the sign says? You think these people can read?
“yeah but those arrogant libs made me more angry for telling me i was dumb for voting for a literal fascist! so I had to–you made me do it!”
is the usual diatribe I get from those idiots–oh and also the hatred for trans and muslims, etc
Trump literally spouting hate, absurd deportation rhetoric, and insane tariffs while on the campaign.
I didn’t know he would do that!
It wasn’t supposed to ruin my life just the other Average American people!Republicans are the stupidest racists on the planet, they can’t even recognize when they’re about to get robbed after being told they’re going to get robbed by the robber.
Seeing a Hispanic Virginia citizen that voted for trump get arrested by ICE without warrant is the full circle stupidity that I’ve attributed to uncle Toms and log cabinors in the past. You voted so ICE would roll up on people and just grab them off the street because you wanted to be a pick me. Well they picked you up dumbass.
It’s the same shit I see when “moderates” get all surprise Pikachu faced when the “fiscal conservatives” they wanted, piss on them with trickle down economics.
You voted so ICE would roll up on people and just grab them off the street because you wanted to be a pick me. Well they picked you up dumbass.
They wanted to be a pick me; they were picked to be deported.
