I also blame the 90M eligible voters that abstained from the election. Think about that for a second. There were 13M more people that did nothing, than all of the people that voted for Trump.
Welcome to adulthood. Make a choice or one will be made for you. If you stand for nothing, then you’ll fall for anything.
Ill respect someone that voted 3rd party or drew a cock and balls on the ballot over someone who didn’t bother.
Honestly I don’t think I would. That means it’s someone who’s informed as well as has the means to vote, and decided to let trump take over again.
The democrats support the FPTP system as well, if they lose because of it I feel they deserve it.
Not American though, I voted for a 3rd party candidate in the UK election. I don’t think anything will change until we make them lose too many votes to other parties.
Meh, blame the game, not the player. If someone wants to vote third party that’s their democratic right under the system. If you don’t like it fight for change to runoff voting.
Edit: hate it all you like, your system allows you to vote third party, so don’t be surprised when people do.
And then think about how the Democrats could have campaigned those people rather than chasing Republicans by adopting anti-immigration policies and platforming people like Liz Cheney, for example.
But they didn’t.
Welcome to adulthood. Establishment politicians, whether Republican or Democrat, are beholden to the rich and neoliberalism. We’re even seeing this with how establishment Dems are pushing back against populist, progressive figures like Bernie Sanders and AOC in favor of Cory Booker and Chris Murphy.
AND then consider how Joe Biden is coming back from the brink of death by saying that he and Jill will build back the Democratic party, thinking that people will forget how Biden shot down Bernie’s chances in 2020 or how he said he’d be a single term president, waiting until the first presidential debate with Trump months before the election to show just how fucking incompetent he is.
Maybe more people abstained from this election because the two biggest parties didn’t look any different, so who cares about the outcome!
Inb4 people come here to defend their self-righteousness. No, nephews. You made a stupid choice for stupid reasons, and it’s time to accept your core values are obnoxious and self-centered, and then shape up.
Same phrase applies to non voters and trumpanzees alike. You were lied to and you fell for it … simple as
100% agree. I don’t really care what their reasons for not voting Harris was.
If they abstained from voting because of Israel, or her affiliation with the prison industrial complex, if it was something ignorant like skin color or gender, or if they voted against her because they either supported Trump, or just always voted Republican no matter what.
Trump voters and non voters decided that the worlds largest military should be long to fascists.
I have no respect for people who whine that this is not what they voted for, because it was. Ignorance is no excuse.
If you regret your actions, NOW is the time to make up for it. Become politically active, speak up, inform your friends, do SOMETHING!
If you didn’t vote for Harris in 2024, and you are not yet politically active against republicans, you deserve the bullets coming in your civil war.
So fucking glad i am not American.
nonvoters, tautologically, decided nothing.
Non-voters decided it wasn’t worth it to them to vote against fascism.
That makes fascism very much their fault too.
the democratic party decided they wanted trump to win the primary in 2016, when do they get blamed?
I blame them all the time too. The chair of the DNC had to step down because of their corruption in Bernies primary, but the courts ruled it wasn’t technically against any laws, so Hillary Clinton straight up hired her to run her campaign after that.
Its grotesque. But it doesn’t change the fact that anyone who didn’t vote for Harris in 2024 voted for fascism.
You should really ask yourself why so many people just didn’t see the point in voting.
Voting doesn’t always mean you 100% agree with the party you are voting for. Sometimes it means that you vote for the least bad option to prevent system collapse. I say this as a South African whose only voting goal for years was to prevent the ANC from getting a sufficiently high majority to be able to change the constitution. We came insanely close a few times but made it through.
Not voting in the US election was a choice, a choice not to stand against Trump. So anyone who didn’t think Trump was bad enough to vote against, doesn’t get to blame the GOP for what’s happening.
All that is needed for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing.
That is a fair point, but for this to happen, there must have been a fair few who just didn’t see much difference between the two parties.
If they honestly thought both parties were equally bad, then they’re getting what they expected - an untrustworthy political party that doesn’t represent their values. I trust they’re feeling sufficiently vindicated.
I wonder what made the majority of those people not vote at all.
Probably go a long way making the days we vote federal holidays.
Ignorance. Willful or otherwise, there is no excuse when Trump was broadcasting his plans of dismantling our government to drive inequality and white supremacy.
Couldn’t have been successive gerrymandering, anti-voting laws, Democrats becoming Republican-Lite, increasing inflation, steadying wages, Democrats actively touting policies against the popular public mindset, Democrats failing to advertise their wins, Joe Biden going back on his word and waiting too long to drop out, Joe Biden and establishment Dems muting Kamala’s & Tim’s popular, progressive agenda, Joe Biden dropping out to force the least liked Californian politician to be the presidential front runner, Kamala literally saying she’s no different from Joe Biden, that we don’t have a federal holiday to allow all people the freedom to step away from the lifeline that is work to exercise their civic duty, on and on.
Nah, it wasn’t the system. People are just dumb.
And they are! Hell, I remember seeing interviews on Election Day where people still thought that it was Biden v. Trump. Even Trump forgot he wasn’t campaigning against Biden.
Democrats snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. They could have accounted for all of these social issues, but establishment leadership doesn’t care for the working class if it means they still get their paycheck and their spotlight in Congress.
the yougov poll showed that it was because they didn’t want to be complicit w the gazan genocide
Trump: ‘Let lsrael finish the job’ in Gaza.
That was before the election. Also, everywhere I looked, experts were saying Trump would be worse for Palestinians. And now here we are. If people say they care about this issue, they had a duty to inform themselves about it. I just saw 2 articles about how Palestinian medics were handcuffed and executed. The 2nd was about Israeli snipers shooting children! Harris’ administration would have been far better for Palestinians. Plus, unlike Trump, she actually has the capacity of empathy and introspection. We could have pushed back on a lot of Pro-Israel policies and changed a lot. Guarantee it. Trump is worse.
Which is pretty self-righteous, knowing full well that Trump has done for Netanyahu in his first term, and how he openly stated that Israel just needs to “finish the job.”
Apathy? Laziness? Or are the evil Democrats that kept people from voting against fascism in the room with you right now?
No, they knew what it was. They just didn’t think it would affect them.
Farmers didn’t realize they were the E in DEI
This right here. Dumbasses thought they were not on the list but it turns out they had just not gotten that far down the list yet.
I never thought the leopards would eat my face!
“Trump’s all talk. He’s not going to do that.”
“Oh shit. He’s doing all that stupid shit.”
Meh. This meme is straight up lifted from /pol/, and people there usually go “I voted for this EXACTLY” when news break about how foreigners are abducted from streets and Vance is preparing for an ideological war with Europe.
“Moderates” and old geezer Republicans fell for his lies (again), big surprise. You won’t find them here. The people who made this meme (originally about Israel by the way) only lament how Trump has still not publicly executed Obama and Pelosi.
No one read it. There were plenty of more obvious warnings.
Country: Has undemocratic two-party system. Elects a nutjob.
You guys: “The people are the problem!!1!1! Just vote for the only other party even if you don’t agree with them on anything!”
Your stance is like a person seeing a riot from afar… deciding to walk towards the riot, the closer they get the more violence they see, the worst it looks, yet this person decides it’s no problem and keeps on walking closer and closer until they get to the heart of the riot, fire everywhere bullets flying around… one group tells the person to duck and get cover but this person decides it’s all the same and maybe those bullets don’t hurt as much as people say so they decide to jump right in the middle of the street.
Finally, when a bullet is heading their way, time slows down and with the bullet inches away from their forehead they say “well, I have no choice but to eat this bullet!, there is no other recourse now, I have no choice in the matter”
You seem to completely misunderstand me. Voting for any of the two main parties, both of whom want the country to be a tyrannical military megaforce that is no stranger to overthrowing democracies, is like accepting the faith of the bullet. Going against any such system is what I am advocating - NOT accepting the bullet. We simply seem to have different views of what the bullet is.
Imagine if Alice is a murderer, and she asks Bob if she should kill two people or five people. Bob says “five”. Now, I will of course be angry at Bob for choosing the obviously worse alternative, but I will in no way claim that he is the cause of the problem. I will not go out and rally support for “Only two people”, I will rally support for “Let’s get rid of Alice”.
No, you lack nuance
The democrats are the people telling to duck for cover, they are not solving the problem, but they are delaying the bullet to the head
You are also not advocating anything against the system. That would require at least some action.
In your example, you are not rallying agaist Alice, you are just refusing to make a choice so the rest will do it for you
The reality is, however you got there, that either 2 or 5 people will die. Your lack of participation ensures 5 people will die
In my example I very clearly am rallying against Alice. In every possible way. I would be fuming, throwing stones, screaming to everyone around me. But I would not accept her proposition to Bob. I would not claim that I “have” to play Alice’s game, because she’s in charge and I have to accept that. I don’t have to accept that. At all.
I would do everything I could to stop her, and almost all of my Anger would be towards her, not towards Bob (I obviously would be angry with him too but he’s after all not a murderer - Alice is).
Keep in mind that in the example, Bob probably believes for some reason that when Alice says two, she means ten.
Yes but in your example, not voting for 2 people to die guaranteed 5 did
You talk like voting for Kamala to prevent Trump means you nowbside with Kamala and the system in every way. Voting for the lesser evil does not stops you at all from rallying against the system and doing everything possible to change it.
You almost get me!
Vote for whoever you want! What I am saying is that your anger towards your peers who happened to indulge in different propaganda and voted for something different is misdirected.
The voters are not the problem.
I do get you, I just do not think letting MAGAs off the hook is accurate, fair or wise for the future… Same way I can understand someone stealing food out of hunger but wouldn’t condone them if they steal with violence
I get some people were fooled into this but I’m convinced MAGAs devotion for trump is not coming from “he’ll make the food cheap again” and more from “that’ll show <insert minority group here> who is the boss around here”
Full disclosure, I’m Canadian so these are not my peers although we do have equivalent ones
The people who voted for the guy directly endorsed by nazis and hate groups, who has an agenda drafted by a prominent hate-monger, are indeed the problem.
Yes, the other choice was a genocide apologist who ALSO sucks corporate dick, but has the decency to throw the average populous a bone now and again and doesn’t fuck up (as many) foreign trade deals and alliances.
Yes, the SOLUTION is to change our election system. But the PROBLEM is fascism, and a shit ton of people voted for more fascism.
Paste of part of my answer from another reply:
Imagine if Alice is a murderer, and she asks Bob if she should kill two people or five people. Bob says “five”. Now, I will of course be angry at Bob for choosing the obviously worse alternative, but I will in no way claim that he is the cause of the problem. I will not go out and rally support for “Only two people”, I will rally support for “Let’s get rid of Alice”.
Same scenario
You CAN’T stop Alice. You just can’t. You don’t have the man power or the legal means.
So your choices are, 2 people or 5 people. If you choose to do nothing, 5 people die, if you swallow the moral superiority, only 2 people die.
Which are you choosing?
In this scenario, I’m not the one choosing, Bob is. And when Bob says “five”, i will be angry, but it will be nothing in comparison with my Anger towards Alice who now can kill five people instead of the two she has been killing on a regular basis before. She’s the one presenting the alternatives, Bob isn’t. She’s the one performing the murders, Bob isn’t. She’s the one that deserves my anger.
In a similar fashion I am not angry with anyone saying “two” either, “beacuse they could’ve said none yadayada”. I am, almost exclusively, angry with Alice.
You formulated a question where your answer means you don’t have ANY culpability even though you can clearly see the murders coming and mitigate it’s damage.
Yes, outside of this decision, campaign to have Alice executed or jailed or whatever, but that won’t stop Alice from killing 5 people, she’s just GOING TO WIN if you don’t stop her. You CAN reduce the number of deaths and continue to fight, hopefully with 3 more people to stand up to that kind of tyranny.
He’s doing everything he promised to do and then some. But don’t worry, the outcome would have been the same regardless of who we voted for, remember?
Everything he’s doing he promised but he absolutely is not doing everything he promised. Look at the stock market, egg prices, America’s greatness etc.
Im having a grand time pointing it out as often as possible. Oh you had to skip on lunchables because they went up this month? glad your vote is working out. Gas still the same price? wonder who is doing that now. Oh you didnt get your bonus check, due to increased business costs? I wonder why.
“A nazi walks into a bar, and is welcomed at a table by his nine friends. How many Nazis are at the table?” Anyone who sides with fascists, even tentatively or for differing reasons, is themselves still a fascist.
The German Nazis didn’t gain power purely from support of other nazis; they gained power largely from various other parties, business leaders, and wealthy elite, who thought the Nazis would be a useful tool they could use and control to their own ends. The “why” of their support is far less important than the fact of the support itself, and the fact those people were responsible for helping the Nazis commit their crimes.
There is a difference – his nine friends can still be shown the light.
Trump literally spouting hate, absurd deportation rhetoric, and insane tariffs while on the campaign.
I didn’t know he would do that!
It wasn’t supposed to ruin my life just the other Average American people!Republicans are the stupidest racists on the planet, they can’t even recognize when they’re about to get robbed after being told they’re going to get robbed by the robber.
Seeing a Hispanic Virginia citizen that voted for trump get arrested by ICE without warrant is the full circle stupidity that I’ve attributed to uncle Toms and log cabinors in the past. You voted so ICE would roll up on people and just grab them off the street because you wanted to be a pick me. Well they picked you up dumbass.
It’s the same shit I see when “moderates” get all surprise Pikachu faced when the “fiscal conservatives” they wanted, piss on them with trickle down economics.
You voted so ICE would roll up on people and just grab them off the street because you wanted to be a pick me. Well they picked you up dumbass.
They wanted to be a pick me; they were picked to be deported.
But herp my derp, Trump claimed he knew nothing of it right before the election.
Too much of voting depends on who will you let lie to you.
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Not only did they vote for this.
A lot a lot of them only voted for trump on the ballot and no downticket names or state questions.
They literally voted for specifically this.
A lot a lot of them only voted for trump on the ballot and no downticket names or state questions.
Very typical voting pattern, nothing out of the ordinary there…
Yeah there’s a very specific district in Nevada that had like 30% drop off on down ticket. Oh weird swing district.
Hate to break it to you, but Trumps popularity is all time high
Bahahahahahahahahahaha that’s funny… 😂😂😂
I’m sure Trump’s popularity is through the roof with you and your buddies in Yokelsville, Alabama, or whatever ruby-red area you live in, but everyone else on the planet thinks Trump is a PoS.
Source?
He’s basically hovers around 44%, the only time he got higher approval ratings was the start of his 1st term - he’s within stastistical error from his top rating in 2017
Not saying you’re automatically wrong, but that is 36 days old, which is 5 years in Trump years. A lot more people have been fired since then. More telling, Republicans just recently prevented a snap election in an usually safe district for fears their party might lose it. Even if Trump’s personal approval is high (and 44% is not exactly convincing either), the GOP as a whole seems in deep trouble.
All time high? There’s 3+ marks on the chart higher and statistical error touches his midterm slump. Maybe “an all time high for this term” since approval ratings nearly always drop all the way through.
Its also worth the context that his terms hold the bottom two slots in initial approval rating, his disapproval rating is always higher than his approval, and he’s the only president to never reach 50% approval.
is all time high
Proceeds to provide a source that is over 30 days old…
Seriously?!?
Here, more recent pooling:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/658661/republicans-men-push-trump-approval-higher-second-term.aspx
Average approval is 45%, most recent pool is 43%
Also he performs better than back in 2017. He even has 9-15 percentage points better approval rates with ethnic minorities.
The “Everyone hates Trump” narration is just an echo chamber you people live in.
but down from his 47% post-inauguration rating
Not all time high.
I didn’t say everyone hates dude. Don’t put words in mouth. I know there’s people that like him.
People are knee-jerk responding to you for a few reasons, but the heart of what you’re getting at needs to be understood a lot better in echo-chambers like Lemmy. (Yes, it is an echo-chamber guys, take a breath before attacking.)
We surround ourselves with all these memes and stories about leopards eating faces, about regret and republicans being booed at town-hall meetings and all these stories about Teslas being torched, and it gives us a really, really fucking biased perspective of the state of this administration. I wish you all would go out of these spaces more and listen to what people are saying, look at the echo-chambers the other side is using, look at the middle-ground like AP and Reuters, listen to the stale analysts give their less sensational takes.
We’re not phasing them guys. We’re not winning. We’re not going to sit here smug as we watch the fourth reich burn. They are succeeding at their plans.
We need a lot more people a lot more worried that we’re going to lose the entire fucking country and that this isn’t some inept president and his muppet sidekick who will be laughed at in history books, they are successfully dismantling our greatest military and economic alliances the world has ever seen, an age of prosperity and peace about to be wrecked for no other reason than to maintain the wealth of a few. We need people to realize they’re in the midst of losing everything right now, as we speak. By the time the average American feels the discomfort coming, it will be too late to do anything.
I’ve seen this happen in other countries, this is how it happens, this is how you lose your democracy and you all aren’t doing a fucking thing but trading memes and laughing every time someone takes an embarrassing picture of Trump.
The heart of what that comment says is that America approves of this coup, which is literally the opposite of what you’re pushing. There’s no need to lie about very clear polls showing negative public opinion.
I don’t think anyone here is under the illusion that negative polls alone will stop the dismantling of America but it shows that the sentiment is much broader than just our echo chamber.
Anecdotally, I’ve seen more vocal opposition than ever in traditionally neutral/conservative spaces (sports communities, the workplace, bars, etc…). The sentiment is there, people are worried, it just needs to be directed.
The heart of what that comment says is that America approves of this coup, which is literally the opposite of what you’re pushing.
What is it you think I’m pushing?
Do you want me to requote your whole comment? Or are you just opposed to the “pushing” phrasing?
I want you to be fair and decent and just engage like you’re not trying to duel with an opponent, I’m just wondering, if it seems you’re just being antagonist I will block. I’m not here for emotional BS.
I’m agreeing with your concern and pointing out that the original comment does not support either of us
But I’m not lying about polls, I’m not addressing polls specifically, I don’t care about polls, nobody should. My concern is that we’re going to get stuck in a mindset FROM things like polls that we’re somehow okay to just sit on our hands and watch shit play out.
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