https://beyondcourts.org/sites/default/files/2022-07/Jury-Nullification-Toolkit-English_0.pdf
Everyone should read about jury nullification and spread it everywhere.
You know they’ll disqualify anyone who might even hint at knowledge of jury nullification from the jury pool. They’ll be selected on their ability to convict solely.
Thats why EVERYONE needs to know it. You can’t disqualify everyone.
Then they’ll need the knowledge and a decent poker face 🤷
Now you’re asking them to commit perjury - which is also bad. (In case anyone reads this and decides to try their best poker face)
Now you’re asking them to commit perjury - which is also bad.
Only if they get caught and punished for it. Laws exist to discourage bad behavior, which lying in service of justice isn’t, so in this case breaking the law is the morally correct thing to do.
Like shooting a billionaire or the CEO of a predatory corporation.
Sure, whatever, but lying under oath during the jury selection process is a crime called perjury. Morale correctness aside, I’m just trying to keep folks out of jail my dude.
Now your asking them to commit perjury
Only if they specifically ask “do you know about jury nullification?”
No, they usually ask something like “Do you have any personal beliefs that would prevent you from returning a guilty verdict involved with this type of crime?” - seriously yall, this shit isn’t hard to look up and is usually posted right alongside explanations for what jury nullification is. Frankly, I doubt anyone reading this is rich enough to pull the “you didn’t specifically ask about jury nullification therefore I technically did not commit perjury”-card.
Well at least now I know it’s effectively illegal for me to be on a jury for the rest of my life. So that’s cool.
Wait. They have to swear an oath that they don’t know shit about the legal system?
No, you swear an oath to answer honestly during the jury selection process. The lawyers will ask if you have any moral or ethical concerns that would prevent you from convicting the accused - ie you would be willing to engage in jury nullification. If you say no, but you actually do intend to nullify, then you lied under oath and could be found guilty of perjury at that point.
Maybe we should put the prosecutors to death instead.
Storm the Bastille
That’s neither a funny joke nor a serious idea of any worth.
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Obligatory, I do not condone violence per lemmys rules, or whatever.
Agreed. This might be the only method to save us. Rule of law doesn’t work, we are owned by the billionaire class. Bring out the guillotines for these bootlickers. Might be the only way we get free.
Free Luigi.
Fuck this aryan Pam bondi cunt and these prosecutors.
I’m still waiting for people to get mad enough to use drones for political violence. Like shit, Ukraine can make an effective FPV for like 50 USD from what I’ve seen
Imagine if Luigi dropped a grenade on this dude while just sitting in Central Park.
It’s gonna be a good time.
Drone warfare is politically agnostic. If it can be used by a Luigi against a healthcare CEO, it can be used by far-right extremists against progressive politicians, pride parades, or Black churches. I’m not very jazzed to live in the world of Slaughterbots.
I feel with that interpretation, any weapon is politically agnostic. Which I’d agree with given the use of firearms by far right extremists to shoot up Walmarts, clubs, and churches. They’ve already been using weapons against their “adversaries” like the domestic terrorists they are.
But agreed, I’m not actually excited about it. The premise is horrifying. I do hope the good guys pull the trigger first on this one. It’s, in my opinion, the logical next step.
Not to mention, the minute it happens, the government will carpet the skies with observation drones in the name of safety
Maybe, but honestly there isn’t too much a need for them to thanks to the existence of things like TLO. Maybe for surveillance over less developed areas?
Idk I’m not happy about any of this but it’s interesting to speculate what a modern day cyberpunk is going to look like.
That’s fair, there’s other angles of observation made available already.
Seeing as you like speculating about cyberpunk, how about if observation is just the initial way to way to sell the drone cloud? Depending on how cheap you can make them, there’s an argument to made for reducing time-to-intercept for low-speed aerial objects.
If you’ve got a bunch of drones overhead already, you could run one in to the path of a kamikaze drone, or if your swarm is even lightly armed, you can extend engagement range and reduce required accuracy with a single buckshot shell to shoot an offending drone down.
If you’re content to prioritize executive safety over public saftey, there’s a lot that can be done.
Drone displays terrify me.
How about if observation is just the initial way to way to sell the drone cloud? Depending on how cheap you can make them, there’s an argument to made for reducing time-to-intercept for low-speed aerial objects. If you’re content to prioritize executive safety over public saftey, there’s a lot that can be done.
This isn’t something I’ve ever considered, I hate it! 🤣 Essentially a light weight, personal, iron dome. Considering the great lengths Putin goes through to protect himself from his own military, I could see the mango and friends doing this.
Hell imagine if they made the drone cloud then took Israel’s “Gospel”, slapped that into them and create a full blown Big brother. Sure it just recommends targets now, but with more training from two fascist states it could become something much worse.
I hate this timeline.
I kind of hope that will have the bonus effect of making the ownership class ease up on return-to-office. Sure, have your executive meeting in-person. Oh shit, someone flew a drone in and it exploded, shooting nails everywhere and killing half the c-suite? Shit. Anyway. We’ll be working from home until at least they clear the blood out of the carpets.
(Though realistically, they’d make workers go in physically while being remote themselves. But maybe someone will bomb their house. No mercy for the ultra-rich.)
I haven’t heard anything about people buying drones. The gun ranges have been packed though.
Evidently this researcher found that peaceful resistance movements have been more successful in bringing democratic governments in their nations against tyranny than violent ones that usually instilled more extreme governments.
Technically it’s not a rule of Lemmy but the instance rules that forbid this.
We are indeed owned by the billionaire class. It’s their country. We live in it.
*We are granted the privilege of surviving in it
Ftfy
maybe
Oh, we’re not supposed to condone violence against monsters who hurt others for greed here either? Well, dang. What if I do though?
Think of the lemmy.world mods!!!
This should like… just not be a rule though. Why can’t we wish for violence against evil people? Who is coming after the Lemmy instances if users wish for violence against evil people? It’s not like we’re actively organizing simply by saying we like imagining healthcare CEOs having their brains removed via bullet. And boy how do I!
This should like… just not be a rule though
Eh it’s issues with l.w mods being overall cowards.
I mean they’ll maybe ban you lol
Works for me. I’m over wasting my time on platforms where I’m not allowed to praise the great man Luigi for his wonderful deeds and wish for more like them. Because that’s how I honestly feel and I won’t apologize for it! I can’t hide who I am anymore.
Edit: whoops. Wrong thread but same idea. Hah.
Honestly we shouldn’t discount the possibility that Luigi is innocent or that there was planted evidence
Then may the true assassin do some more good work out there and clear his name…
Or the victim had a run in with the actual clients who now frame the left for it and kill two birds with one stone that way.
Tinfoil hat off
But what if he runs for office? Then he can’t be convicted, right?
Start the campaign now for President in 2256. Wouldn’t want the judges to look politically biased, they’ll have to hold off on sentencing until after the election.
Lol imagine thinking these freaks give a fuck about being hypocrites.
Not at all surprising and it wouldn’t have been any different under the last administration. From the whole “rule of law” perspective you can’t really not go after somebody who committed premeditated murder on film just because his target was someone that people didn’t like. What the jurors decide to do is a whole different can of worms (although if you ask me to make a prediction, I think they most likely find him guilty).
The previous administration probably wouldn’t take on a random murder case just because the victim was rich.
This was a high profile case that was all over the news for weeks. And frankly it looks like a slam dunk for the prosecution. The Biden Justice Department absolutely would’ve brought federal charges.
The administration doesn’t have anything to do with this.
Not sure how you figure that. Trump is not exactly hands off with the Justice Department.
Can you imagine Merrick Garland saying this?
Luigi Mangione’s murder of Brian Thompson — an innocent man and father of two young children — was a premeditated, cold-blooded assassination that shocked America,"
“After careful consideration, I have directed federal prosecutors to seek the death penalty in this case as we carry out President Trump’s agenda to stop violent crime and Make America Safe Again.”
Shocked is a strange way to say excited
The first part? Abso-fucking-lutely.
Agreed. Biden LOVED bloodying his hands.
Democrats and Republicans alike banded against Luigi. It’s Citizens United talking.
Trumps agenda? Hah.
There’s a guy who killed 23 people in a Walmart in El Passo in 2022. Got charged with hate crimes on account of…he’s openly racist and said that’s why he did it.
That guy just got a plea deal to avoid the death penalty.
Nobody should identify the criminal justice system in America as anything else but a mechanism for protecting the rich.
Oh hell no
Can’t wait to passively observe this so go down.
That’s seems pretty damn ballsy of them since unless they are extremely confident in the jury selection it’s practically guaranteed to result in a hung jury if they know that finding him guilty will result in the most severe verdict.
Yeah there’s no better reason to use jury nullification than when government wants to kill a guy for political reasons.
Federal juries are way, way easier to tilt towards the prosecution, and the judge has far more power, even assuming he isn’t a Trump appointee.
I’m sure that will be as corrupt as everything else this administration touches
Even if the actual killer stuck again, hitting another CEO and then confessed on live TV for both murders, people would still think (and I can say the name here) that Luigi is guilty.
Y’all are mental across the pond
Yup, they got the wrong guy.
What’s this?
Spot the monobrow?
When was the bottom photo taken?
Right After he grew his brows out and got a tan and a different nose.
Ah yes, the “different nose” which is mostly obscured in the top photos and has a giant red circle covering it in the bottom photo.
Oh I apologize, sometimes its hard to see when things are pointed out for you.
Ah, so the monobrow photo is after the security cam photos. How interesting that you tried to avoid telling me this the first time around.
So sorry, I hadn’t realized you have oxygen deprivation from breathing through your anus.
Wow. There’s a huge disparity between the brows on those two. No matter how blurry the first pics are, the thickness of Luigi’s brows would be noticeable. The person in that camera footage definitely doesn’t have thick eyebrows like Luigi :/
This administration is too stupid to realize they’re sitting on a powder keg? By all means light the match……let’s see what happens
My current tinfoil-hat conspiracy theory is that’s exactly what they’re banking on. They’ll draw the trial out until right before the midterm election… Then Trump will use the resulting riots to declare martial law and cancel the upcoming midterms, so he doesn’t lose control of congress. After he has cancelled the election, he’ll make a final push to clean house, and will start ousting liberal congress members by accusing them of being riot conspirators.
The Mangione Riots will be Trump’s Reichstag Fire.
It’s not that far fetched.
Not if y’all aren’t bitches about it.
I would love to be a juror in this case.
Same
Seems very short-sighted on their part. They’ve made the penalty for taking out 1 the same as taking out 100. They’ve also highlighted the disparity between punishments for crimes against average people vs the rich and powerful.
Evidently Pam Bondi has financial lobbyist interests for the GEO group. They own a bunch of private prisons and mental health facilities.
I wonder if we could get creative to bring down the profits of this group in retaliation of her idiotic direction.
That’s fucked up that a prosecutor has lobbyist interests in private prisons.
She’s an evil, soulless vessel of meat
Bizzare. Americans are seriously crazy. It’s a monarchy really, it’s so in your face, like a bad comedy.
I mean, this really isn’t new for us.
No, it’s just that the south hates everything about the rest of America, and have done since we took their slaves away
They support anything that hurts everyone else, or as they call it: ‘Owning the libs’.
It’s a monarchy really
Yes, this is actually a much more helpful way to think about Trump’s approach to presidency. Here is Dr David Smith from the United States Studies Centre explaining this in a recent episode of PEP (excellent in-depth American politics podcast from Australia).
We are dumb and crazy a bad mix.
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