The developers who created Lemmy are leftists, and they run the lemmy.ml instance. The lemmy.ml (.ml is for Mali, btw) domain was allegedly chosen because ML can also stand for Marxist-Leninist.
I’m not an expert on the subject, but lemmy.ml users are known for being tankies. People don’t like that.
However, some of you whipper snappers don’t know that those of us with really old accounts joined back when lemmy.ml was the most popular instance. I just like FOSS things.
Edit: added “allegedly”
I’m on ML because it is the dev’s instance, that’s it. Also, I dislike how .world is run.
Yeah, it’s a shame that there are only two instances: .ml and .world
That was the state of things back in '23 when the first migration happened
Yeah, i was being facetious. I was here. lol
I originally joined World like everyone else but pretty quickly left for Mander just to spread the load.
Almost two years ago now!
Just don’t post anything anti China or Russia and you’ll be fine.
Or swearwords, or any word that is partially composed of a swearword. Or talk about people that are pro-China or pro-Russia engaging in any kind of bad behavior in other places that have no relation to ML.
I’m sure the list continues, but I blocked them a while ago.
I am pretty anti-tankie. I’m even a mod at onehundredninetysix. The censorship of some words is kind of funny though.
I left .world for sh.itjust.works…eyeing db0 tho
As a casual lemmy user… how do you switch instances? Download your data, create a new account, upload your data?
You could do what’s discussed in this thread https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/1985
I just delete the old account and create a new one on the other instance. I have no interest in keeping a comment history. The internet and it’s communities are a void for me. My social interaction, what little there is, is handled in meat space.
Just create a new account. The other account will continue to exists and so its posts. Does it matter to transfer them?
Dunno. Still getting used to federated communities like this, guess I assumed it would be more complex than that
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I think both are cool instances.
.ca is a bit more sane and not as authoritarian as .world or .ml. I don’t mind .world, but their admins are inconsistent, IMO
Yeah but I’m not Canadian
Neither am I. However, I have seen one or two people on ca that claim it’s an instance “for Canadians”, but that isn’t the majority view.
Canadian news is mild compared to other instances and their admins rock. They just did some good hardware updates and the instance is fairly reliable. 10/10, would recommend. The author of my client (Connect) is also on that instance, and I contribute a bit to that community as well.
I could see some downsides if the occasional post in French would piss you off.
It’s “for Canadians” in that if you’re Canadian and joining Lemmy, lemmy.ca ought to be your default choice, but we welcome anyone that isn’t a shitbag
As a Canadian on .ca, I’d say it was made for Canadians, but others are more than welcome. It’s kind of like a nice park. Sure, it’s ours, but you don’t need our permission to come hang out.
And now I kind of want to try out Connect.
Dude, you can still come over. As a Canadian you have my permission. Yes, glad to see other folks said something good about Lemmy.ca. It is nice. I agree. :)
Lemm.ee we tell you about my instance then… :)
My words. We arent done justice
I am confused now. I was just called a “leftist Nazi” and “liberal right wing nazi”. Lulz.
My point is that I think the terms “leftist” and “liberal” have been redefined again, just as a heads up.
It’s a weird situation. Billionaires successfully dissolved the left into factions of people who all in-fight over whether or not you’re allowed to say retard, or the n word (hey look I must be one of them). Identity politics. Really unimportant nonsense.
They also successfully got the right to worship billionaires.
Not to get too tin foil hat, but at this point I think it’s safe to say reddit was a psyop.
Billionaires successfully dissolved the left into factions of people who all in-fight
I think this goes all the way back. Leftist groups have been competing basically as long as there’s been a right and left. Going back to the OG “Left,” the French Revolutionaries, you see the Jacobins seize power from the monarchists, after which they start to eliminate competing revolutionary groups who have some ideological differences. In Russia, you’ve got the Mensheviks being eliminated by the Bolsheviks, and then the Trotskyists being eliminated by the Stalinists.
Wherever there is a small difference in ideology and people willing to die for it, the left will always be at each other’s throats.
On the other hand, I think the right keeps succeeding precisely because of identity politics: they unify under an identity instead of an ideology, or I guess maybe more specifically they succeed at turning identity into ideology. Identity politics are pushed by the right as a way of forming out-groups so that the majority can remain unified and always have a “them” to distract from what the ruling “us” is doing.
Wherever there is a small difference in ideology and people willing to die for it, the left will always be at each other’s throats
I’ve been aware of this since i learned just how fractured religions get when they get enough followers.
The human race is just not good with handling competing ideas and seemingly never has been.
I think that’s why great unifying events/people captivate so many of our narratives
Those terms don’t have definitions. People use them twice on the same phrase where each occurrence has a different meaning.
At this point I’m not sure if they are tankies, or whether they’ve just been called tankies by people who call all leftists tankies.
This makes sense.
I do think “tankie” is the wrong word, as “bootlicker” sounds more apt since Russia hasn’t been communist since '91.
As in, these devs are definitely authoritarian, but communist? Absolutely not.
They’re definitely all about the communism too. I answered a post asking for any surviving examples of communism with “I think Cuba counts” and got banned Rule 1 IIRC.
That’s… distinctly NOT being about actual communism… that’s about being pro tankie propaganda…
Anyone who calls out western evil and lies is a tankie.
Good to know, I totally thought it was a pejorative term for people who supported Kruschev’s use of tanks, and I rarely see people talking about that so I was very confused.
Note: this comment is dripping with sarcasm
pejorative term for people who supported Kruschev’s use of tanks
Funnily enough, didn’t it come out two weeks ago from JFK papers that the leader of the Hungarian Freedom Fighters of the Hungarian Revolution was on CIA bankroll? Wow, tankies have been vindicated etymologically? Who woulda thunk
So does that mean the Hungarian revolution was engineered by the CIA? Like by the US government? I think that was suspected for a long time, but also that justifying the tankie view ignores a lot of nuance imo. Does “america bad” really justify the use of tanks? Was the Hungarian revolution really fascist even if some of the leadership was? Or was it simply an anti-authoritarian struggle for freedom and self-determination?
Idk, I’m lacking in a lot of historical knowledge.
The Hungarian Revolution didn’t need to be fascist to justify the use of tanks, but yes, the fact that Hungary suffered a US-supported coup is worthy of tanks. The horrors lived in Eastern Europe as a consequence of the dismantling of socialism in the name of “freedom” are unspeakable. Millions of lives lost to unemployment, alcoholism, lack of healthcare, suicide and a myriad more of reasons. Those don’t matter I guess, since they’re victims of capitalism.
“America bad” by itself almost justifies the use of tanks. Joining the Western World in imperialism, unequal exchange and ultimately genocide, is a crime against humanity, and history books of the future will reflect this. History won’t be kind to those who exploited the billions of people of the global south for the selfish gain of a few capitalist overlord.
K I gotta bow out of this one, we’re getting into territory and history on which I am not educated or confident enough in my knowledge to discuss, also it’s a very controversial topic I don’t want to discuss on a public forum with people who don’t know me.
Sorry, I acknowledge that I asked a bunch of questions you are just answering lol. My fault!
Cheers, hope you have a lovely evening!
While those event was certain to cause some resentment of USSR/Russia, that hatred needs to persist long after Russia gave all of those countries liberation peacefully, and that all lies and diminishment becomes morally justified.
Neo-Tankyism is all reality opposing maximization of Russophobia and Sinophobia for CIA/US empire subjugation of those who could benefit from non-US subjugation. It is a projection in protecting their programming no matter how evil the US is, or actively directly attacking them, because their programming has no factual defense.
Authoritarianism sucks, no matter what country is doing it.
Specifically, those who also ignore the ccp, putin, hamas, and hezbolla’s evil and lies.
I dont think they are tankies. I am an anarchist and I believe communism is as evil as capitalism. I am lemmy.ml so I dont think they are tankies.
I don’t think you know what communism is supposed to be if you think it is as evil as capitalism… (note I said supposed to be, not what ever language an authoritarian decides to couch their takeover in)
I’m an anarchist, these people are the kind of genocide appreciators who call all dissenting leftists tankies
Nope, clear definition:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support or defend acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof.
Yeah, and them being trigger-happy with the ban hammer is why Lemmy exists at all today. All Reddit alternatives back then were Nazi hotpots, because pretty much only folks who got banned from Reddit joined the alternatives (and back then, Reddit moderation primarily concerned itself with Nazis).
They would show up on dev.lemmy.ml, too, and “just ask questions”, like if an immigrant did a certain crime, would you want them deported?
These questions served no point other than to drive the conversation tone to the right.
And yeah, I was glad that the admins were always vigilant about that and immediately banned anyone asking such ‘questions’, even if it may have thrown legitimately curious folks under the bus, because it allowed proper conversations to exist.Of course, I have survivorship bias. I don’t concern myself with China or Russia nearly enough to have specific opinions about them.
But when someone is not being intentionally intolerant, I am of the opinion that talking to them is worth it and the only way to help center opinions which one might perceive as extreme.
But well, I also don’t concern myself with my admins nearly enough to have specific opinions about their opinions either. I don’t have to agree with everything they think, just because I’m on their instance, so I don’t care nearly as much as some other folks here.That doesn’t follow. Truth Social exists, is full of fascists, and is way bigger than Lemmy.
If it weren’t for Reddit deciding to turn against their users in a very dramatic way, Lemmy would still just be a tiny leftist community rather than what it is now: a larger, but still small, mostly leftist, but slightly more centrist, mix of communities that fight all the time.
I came over with the initial wave of Reddit refugees. Lemmy was quite bad back then, with a lot of crap I had to block. It’s better today but it still has a very long way to go.
I cannot support an instance where criticism of countries like North Korea or Venezuela is sanctioned with 30 day bans, even defending the Russian invasion of Ukraine is tolerated. I love open source software and it breaks my heart, but I completely blocked .ml after multiple incidents I witnessed or was part of in the news and worldnews communities.
Also I cannot really understand the argument of having an “old account”. All it means on Lemmy is having a year and a month in your profile. It is even a good idea to switch your account from time to time to stay more anonymous.
Yeah I made this account with my reddit username. Made another account that I’m building up with a dif username to be more anon and less attachment so more easily abandon able
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Tankies aren’t real leftists. They’re morons who honor authority over freedom to the point they’ll suck off authoritarians from history. Basically (very, very basically), they’re the authoritarian “left”… as much as anyone who is rightly left honors undue authority…
The problem is that y’all believe, that acknowledging many of the claims about those countries to be CIA hoaxes, is also somehow a declaration of approval of those countries policies.
You may not like those countries, but you’re taking that to mean you have to personally adopt the position of defending the bullshit lies you’ve been told about them.
Also a lot of people just join a random popular instance at the start before looking into political shit like this, and they don’t want to switch later on.
Why is your username red? What sorcery is this?
I’m an admin for your instance, and you are using voyager (:
Eww and also creepy
Mmm?
The lemmy.ml (.ml is for Mali, btw) domain was chosen because ML can also stand for Marxist-Leninist.
Do you have the developers actually claiming this, or only second hand information? I was under the impression that they chose .ml because they were handing those domains out for free.
I have not verified the validity of those claims. I’ll edit the post to reflect that.
The problem is .ml’s rules are inconsistent. Criticism against China is put under the rule “be respectful”, but you can criticise any other nation or group, except for maybe Hezbollah.
If they would just write it in the rules, like they did on their old PeerTube instance PeerTube.social, I wouldn’t mind.
Oh you can drag anyone through the mud there, and you can do it with as little respect as possible! Totally within the rules.
But even if you politely disagree with the admins Russia/China bias, it’s an instant RuLe 1 violation.
To be fair I’ve seen the exact same treatment in mods and admins from other places. Just changing the subjects.
Just recently in a community I would not mention a mod started to straight up insulting me while pointing out how I was breaking the rules by not providing source for every word I wrote and the rules said that I must source my arguments. (Spoilers they didn’t back up their claims either, and went into a breakruling name-calling streak just to top it). And it was not on .ml or anything related.
Power tripping mods be power tripping mods.
Yea, on .ml as long as you’re in the in crowd you can say all pejoratives you want like “shitlib” and the most you’ll (maybe) get is a 24 hour ban, but if you say tankie you’ll get slapped with at least a 14 day ban
Ever notice how no mods ever moderate shit there? It’s just the two crybaby admins. Always. They rule that shithole with an iron fist. The ineffective local law is a limp, powerless prop that is overruled by authoritarians.
Which is pretty ironic when you think about it.
Something else I’ve not seen mentioned here is:
It’s pretty easy to see how the admins rule all of the communities while the moderators of those communities seem to be nothing more than flaccid ineffective grunts that do nothing but let it happen.
For evidence, check the modlogs and see that the bans/removals from .ml are always done by the same two people. Then, note how those two people don’t even moderate the communities the comments/bans were issues from. This is not a bias. It’s verifiable by simply checking the logs.
Then, note how most of the bans/removals don’t even violate the rules, but seemingly only hurt the feelings of the aforementioned admins.
They are a walled garden of propaganda-riddled rhetoric.
Additionally, many of the kids that habituate that place come in to other instances and stir pots, debate-troll people, and generally shit all over everything, and then cry and accuse everyone of bias when they get moderated by ACTUAL moderators.
The evidence here, lies in the modlogs of all the people complaints about how shitty .world and other instances are. Check for yourself. See that I’m not lying.
Lastly, I’ve not once ever posted, or commented in a single community of .ml, so unlike them- my bias is driven by real-world evidence, and not anecdotal reactionary temper tantrums.
So, hasn’t there been any discussion about unfedding from lemmy.ml and similar toxic instances?
Most places are defederated from grad and hex already. ML is essentially considered too big to fail so most sites won’t defed from them.
Lots. The admins won’t do it. No idea why but they won’t even address it.
I am not banned nor downvoted for telling people when they romanticize USSR or how USSR fucked my country.
I think I got banned from some trans group for calling their arrogance that I should care about every Dick and Harry enough to ask them about their pronouns.
I don’t give a fuck, will call you whatever you look like, and if it’s neither you’re gonna be called petal.
I have no clue where do you find the people you write about. Also, like most lemmy users I picked this instance at random.
if you can’t even muster up basic respect for other people do you think they should respect you or your sensibilities?
I don’t think I follow?
I think I misread, I thought you were complaining about being down voted/banned for being negative about the USSR
either way you should still respect other people by gendering them correctly. it’s really not hard and if you expect them to be respecting you in the conversation then it’s the bare minimum you should do
I think you still didn’t understood me correctly. I’m not against calling people what they ask me to call them, I’m against the idea that I should be proactively gathering that information.
Do you believe in learning people’s names?
that’s why a lot of people just put pronouns in name so you don’t have to guess, I think it makes it easier for everyone
You’re quite the class act, aren’t you?
They are part of the Fediverse Tankie Triad and therefor a bunch of insufferable gobshites. For more context, enjoy what the other people in this thread will tell you. I blocked lemmy.ml, lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net.
It’s a peaceful life. :)
it’s actually ‘tankie troika’ like if you’re going to make up a name at least have it roll off the tongue
Comrade, don’t help them come up with creative names, comrade
поняла товарищ 🫡
(Takes a deep breath, clears mind, gets into character)
This meme format is a product of capitalism, posted to a capitalist instance, and you should be ashamed. Instead of posting an image of a capitalist pig, why aren’t you out in the streets burning shit down??/? There’s no good capitalist. If you’re not out in the streets overthrowing capitalism and burning everything down, RIGHT NOW, you’re part of the problem! Rabble Rabble Rabble, guillotines, violence violence violence.
In a nutshell, anyway. Or at least that’s how it was from users there on every 3rd post/comment before my instance finally defederated.
Oof. That is a lot to take in. Thank you for this; it all makes sense now.
I mean, my example is over-simplified and slightly exaggerated (though not by much), and it just got old FAST. No idea if it’s still like that or if they’ve toned down as an instance, but I’ve been happy without them, so not gonna rock that particular boat.
Here’s a sub that has fun watching the Tankie Triad.
The main problem is that any criticism of China is met with an instant ban, as per “Rule 1, 2”.
Their ideology is inconsistent with their rhetoric. They do support capitalism and billionaires if it’s anti-west. I just poke a bit here and there with a bit of warning that it’s not east vs west but rather it’s rich vs poor.
Well, I was banned from ml because of a conversation on another instance. It was something about reporting all ml posts as a rule 1 violation… I guess that could be considered inciting unrest against the CCP and Mother Russia.
Ahh shit. I chose this when Lemmy was young.
Account hopping costs nothing (it’s not like Lemmy has “karma”)
I made my first account on dotworld, but then dotworld started doing defederations I didn’t like. Now I’m in a furry-centric instance. :P
I guess I can’t notice the absence of something but the only defederations I know of are Hexbear and Lemmygrad and good fucking riddance because those instances just spam posts asking westerners to kill their family and neighbors in praise of the glorious leaders of the east.
They blocked the piracy comm
That was enough for me.
at this point i think you would be better off checking it out for a while and seeing if its for you. the answers here are extremely biased so far.
It’s capitalist and pro-war propaganda.
They’re fascist sympathizers. They like dictators.
I joined .ml because I didn’t want to join .world to avoid centralizing, I liked the idea of a Leftist server and a brief scan showed lemmygrad was notorious for tankies. I’m not actually ML. I don’t like dictators.
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This is why people don’t take you seriously
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You’re virtue signaling about blocking someone, you obviously wanted someone to take you seriously in response to it
I take them seriously. Every user has the right to block others by association. If our instances don’t want to defederate from venomous instances we can just do it ourselves.
That’s racism, but with instances. Instancism? Pretty weak imo. You should try to be better.
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What?
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Yeah… I really don’t think that analogy fits this situation. Actually that’s really funny since the fundies on lemmygrad would absolutly agree with you that ACAB.
Police have a duty to enforce the law, and when they ignore other officers breaking the law they are failing their duty to society. Do you think ML users have a duty to control what other ML users post? That’s the mods/admins job, regular users don’t have any special privileges on Lemmy.
the genocide supporters view any dissent as intolerable, they’re basically the same as the fascists with the red hats except they liked Biden
Why don’t you just block the whole instance instead of every user individually?
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Keep up the great work.
Blocking the instance doesn’t block the users
Because there’s not a lot of brain cells in .ml and they are confidently incorrect on a regular basis.
It’s not exclusive to ML though.
I don’t know. I’m on ml. Something about ‘tankies’? I dont bother thinking about those cliques and ppl being so clique-y, and nor should anyone else. immature behaviour tbh, but I haven’t received any teasing for being on ml so I think it’s a minority of people who really dislike lefties maybe?
Went there first since I consider myself a leftist. Seen multiple thirstposts for Stalin and the likes: pretty picture with a popular quote. Comments all in the realm of “yes daddy”.
I hate capitalism as much as the next guy, just don’t see a point of swapping it for an equally bad form of repression.
You can see it for yourself.
Write a comment/post critical of china in any community from the lemmy.ml instance.
For example about the Uyghurs or the mass surveillance or whatever is your topic of choice.
See how much time it takes for them to ban you/remove your comment under their rule of “no xenophobia”.
As someone brand new to Lemmy I’m now learning a lot of horrible new info on myself based on arbitrarily signing up for a random instance.
I didn’t realize I was supposed to psychically know about lemmy lore before ever using it.
Don’t worry much about your instance. .ml is fine, but Lemmygrad.ml in particular is a very strange place. Have a look if you want to read what non-religious people hostile to the United States/West think. Sometimes they make good points but they’re such fundamentalist assholes about everything.
tbf, if you’re not hostile to the US at this point, I’d seriously question your sanity. You don’t need to be a tankie for that.
Yeah even the biggest us global order defender libs have given up on the us.
didn’t you know that signing up for an instance is actually evidence of thoughtcrime?
Every person who signed up for my favorite instance is gold, everyone who signed up for the one I dislike is actually a troll and must be de federated.
Please understand that plenty of us do not judge people based on instance at all. I genuinely don’t care.
FWIW, I left .ml after about a year (and around a month ago) because there were just enough threads shit flinging and just enough posts like below, and just enough people who would dismiss any argument based on seeing .ml that it annoyed the shit out of me.
Not for how anyone at .ml ever treated me. (And FTR I’m not a communist)
So I’d say how much you worry about it is up to you, but switching instances is also pretty easy.
there’s always going to be this stigma against .ml users due to how the .ml instance was formed and how the general userbase behaves.
the good news is that you are always free to switch instances if you find out that you dislike the instance you are currently on. while your posts, comments, and “karma” won’t transfer, you can transfer everything else such as the communities you follow, your settings, and your blocklist.
You’re not expected to know.
Just sign up somewhere else.
All accounts are throw away.
Just drop them like it’s hot, lose nothing of value. There is probably an instance local to your nation or you can use .world which is a generic nonspecific Lemmy except they defederate from Hexbear and Lemmygrad because those instances spam so much bot content trying to convince users to off their families and neighbors.
You can always move to another instance. The instance I joined first is very lovely but they’re a bit heavy on defederation, so half of the comments are unavailable. It’s actually very nice, but fomo is too strong with me. When I feel depressed by humanity, I switch back to that one again and feel better, not seeing all the bullshit.
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It takes nothing to create a new Lemmy account. And there are tons of instances that don’t have authoritarian admins.
Just remember that a lot of people on here also used to be the most annoying redditors. Their opinions are worthless.
The core community is mainly holier-than-thou FOSS types, and you’re surprised that it’s insular?
Same
Most of us don’t judge users but we are internally vocal about our own social challenges.
.ml is a big instances and people coming from the old web find such attractive, it feels like “the official one” we are well aware.
The have been attempts to advertise avoiding those but were not exactly a well coordinated organization.
Regardless the ideology of .ml and others big instances pose a problem in centralized power. Lemmy works best as many tiny servers organically building a network of content and ideas.
All of Lemmy is accessible as long as your instance is federated (almost all) however some may defederate from those problematic big ones, limiting the posts you can see.
You wont lose much by changing instance right now. There is no karma or rewards associated with your account. You can also make multiple on different instances with the same user name so you have a backup if your main instance goes down.
the ideology of .ml and others big instances pose a problem in centralized power.
it’s not centralized, .world is considerably bigger and way more conservative, like it even has a splinter /c/196 populated with everyone who thought neo pronouns and basic levels of respect were too hard
it’s not centralized, .world is considerably bigger and way more conservative, like it even has a splinter /c/196 populated with everyone who thought neo pronouns and basic levels of respect were too hard
It’s funny that you still feel the need to spread this slander. Almost like you’re still upset that you spent months defending a blatant troll using an old conservative canard.
it’s not that hard to have basic levels of respect for people using neo pronouns, and if they’re trolling then let them slip up and get banned for that.
it’s just an observed pattern of behavior that .world has a lot of cis people who misgender people when they disagree with them like it’s an argument
it’s not that hard to have basic levels of respect for people using neo pronouns, and if they’re trolling then let them slip up and get banned for that.
Okay? Where does that play into your slander about the .world 196 being filled with people who don’t respect neopronouns?
it’s just an observed pattern of behavior that .world has a lot of cis people who misgender people when they disagree with them like it’s an argument
So now it’s not the .world 196, it’s .world in general.
So now it’s not the .world 196, it’s .world in general.
there was a pretty clear reason they left and went to .world, they fit the culture better there
I don’t even use /196 I was just watching from the sidelines for that one lol
So first it was you asserting that .world 196 doesn’t respect neopronouns, then it turned into .world has a tendency to have people who don’t respect neopronouns, and now it’s “I have a vibe that 196 doesn’t respect pronouns, but I don’t actually use 196”.
btw, are you still banned from the 196 on Blahaj? Of course, you don’t use it. :)
I include .world in the category “other”
For the record i am also starting to feel like sopuli is getting a bit crowded. Don’t get me wrong everyone is welcome i just think we can benefit from more independent niches and corners.
I strongly prefer having niches and area with different cultures rather than single large instances too. I just don’t think people shitflinging based on peoples instance and broad stereotypes about the instance culture is a helpful behavior for any community. Yet it’s extremely common for these type of two minutes hate threads because they’re just baiting a response.
Why/how are big instances a problem though?
Basically, .ml Tankies (I don’t consider all .ml users to be Tankies just because they’re a .ml users) are authoritarian
bootlickers“communists” pretending not to be who routinely deny the human rights violations of the CCP/Russia and hold them up as the gold standard. They refuse to recognize China, Russia and even NK as being authortarian regimes or if they do, its OK/Neccessary because it takes down the west/capitalism. If you have a historical fact that puts any of those countries in a bad light, they’ll probably deny it happend or is just “western propganda.”So they believe and spread things like the Russia narratives on Ukraine (When it happened they were parroting the whole “special military operation” thing, the current thing is that it was “just a diplomatic maneuver to bring Ukraine to the negotiating table”)
Hex and Grad are very in your face about it, but .ml tends to be more subtle, often opting instead to remove dissenting comments and ban users before letting threads get out of control. So, as a result many instances defed from those 2.
.ml is run by the head Lemmy devs who are, unfortunately, hardcore Tankies themselves and tend to enforce the Tankie mindset throughout with more subtlety through mod/admin action. Or allowing known propaganda outlets to fester
You can check out [email protected] if you want to see some documentation of their actions, words and censoring. What I’ve linked here is but a mere sampling of what’s been collected there
^ This is the most accurate explanation. I was on .ml for quite a while before I realized the pattern that any time I criticized Russian attacks or war crimes, I got downvoted and brigaded. Any time I promoted Ukraines right to defend itself I got downvoted and brigaded. Often my posts were removed. Try to mention tienamen square there ;-). They will come troll threads on other instances from time to time too. I just block them these days and refuse to subscribe to any .ml communities.
More completely made up anti-commie shit. It is not popular in any of those instances to think that Russia isn’t a fascist fuckup of a government.
LMAO tons of my official evidence posts link back to, not only the relevant thread, but to the modlog as well in addition to literal screenshots
There are fully factual bases for denying nearly every western smear. That people are invested in hatred formed by US/western propaganda, means all facts and reality are “tankie propaganda”.
Me: Brings receipts
Tankies: “Yea…bu…but… well ACkShuLly it’s just because of your HaTREd as a result of you being fed WeStERn PrOPaGAnDa, so it’s all INVALID! FAKE NEWS!!”
Thanks for the tag!
Your “receipts” include two screenshots of one guy posting links to news sites who wasn’t even from said instance and it had negative vote score. The other is a mod action with 0 context. How you possibly think that represents any popular opinion astounds me.
How do I get your level of entirely unearned self-confidence?
LMAO somebody’s not paying attention, there’s PLENTY of posts in there, all with screenshots with links to threads AND the modlog to complete the context. What I directly linked was but a mere sampling, here:
From censorship, bans and bias towards their “in crowd”:
https://lemmy.world/post/27674360
https://lemmy.world/post/27674117
https://lemmy.world/post/27673934
https://lemmy.world/post/27673724
https://lemmy.world/post/27577337
https://lemmy.world/post/27378634
https://lemmy.world/post/27346630
https://lemmy.world/post/27341283
https://lemmy.world/post/27288224
https://lemmy.world/post/27156418
https://lemmy.world/post/27054157
https://lemmy.world/post/27008261
To altering headlines and permitting known propaganda outlets:
https://lemmy.world/post/27428838
https://lemmy.world/post/27416097
https://lemmy.world/post/27314050
https://lemmy.world/post/27288953
That spew Russian talking points like Ukraines invasion just being a “negotiating tactic” https://lemmy.world/post/27012640
To general hostility to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
To their open declaration of support for Russia (direct from dessalines) https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
To even "concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren’t that bad https://lemmy.world/post/26985447
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You’re either just straight up lying or you didn’t even check the receipts lol. That’s not even close to what was linked in the original comment.
haha look at them bringing their alts to downvote you keep doing good work!
New users, I recommend blocking this account in particular. This person is completely off the rails, and spends their time on Lemmy pushing debunked western propaganda.
Yea, Western propaganda, like how Russia is just actually the good guys and was totally justified in invading Ukraine to stop the Nazis! Or maybe the “Banderists” or was it actually just a diplomatic maneuver?
I have lots of documented evidence on [email protected] to support my stance on lemmy.ml, Tankies and the Tankie Triad, where’s yours? Because the last time I replied to you with all my evidence you checked out and never replied
That’s not true. You’ve openly admitted you only accept corporate or western government sources. The same ones pushing the propaganda you like.
And if it’s an outlet that challenges your narrative, you say it’s not a legitimate source. So it’s this endless feedback loop of trying to prove CIA narratives with you pointing to either the government story, or the news laundering it, with this self-reinforcing nonsense.
No amount of linking to accounts from journalists on the ground or involved in negotiations, or CIA documents revealing hoaxes, has ever budged you an inch or convinced you to question your worldview. Evidence doesn’t work on astroturfers.
Ah yes, the classic CIA this and CIA that, sorry if I don’t accept randosblog.blogspot.com or totallyalegitjournalist.substack.com anybody can start a blog and say whatever they want
How can one accept what you say when you glorify dictators, openly handwaved away “reeducation” camps, caught editing headlines to subtlety push aganda and allow known propaganda outlets and when someone says something about it, they’re censored. Hell you guys even deny Taiwan as being a country and everyone against you is just some form of paid agent
Jeffrey Sachs isn’t ‘just some rando blogger.’ And the State Dept and CIA have openly admitted they don’t have the evidence to back the claims you’re making (maybe you should join and share your info with them), and US documents & cables have been leaked backing China’s version of events you still deny.
But you believe MSNBC’s version more than firsthand accounts and leaked US cables.
Thank you for portraying the behavior I’ve accused you of directly in this thread. That’ll save people reading from having to go through your profile to see the madness.
I find it fascinating that at no point did you link or even mention him until now or “these leaked cables” and yet you still don’t link anything. Almost as if you’re banking on people not googling him or something and just believing you outright 🤔
Not at all. I’ve linked the same cables to you before, and you dismiss them. Once I get to a stopping point at work, I’ll come back with the links and previous comments. Or they can look them up on Wikileaks themselves.
I would love for people to look up what Jeffrey Sachs has to say on Ukraine. The guy has been on the ground investigating, and directly involved in negotiations. He is absolutely an authority on the subject.
