If anything, shouldn’t it be encouraged, and even automated? I’m including even the ‘old’ stuff from reddit here. Reddit shouldn’t be the absolute owner of the content submitted by users. When I migrated here, it wasn’t because of me being against reddit users, but being against reddit the company. Copying the content here actually hurts the company in sense that they don’t get to then gatekeep the crowdsourced content.
I think the strength of a community shouldn’t primarily be built upon content another separate community or platform produces.
Now there are givens, like major news and art which “transcends” a singular platform. But repeatedly just lifting content from somewhere else (aside from if you are the creator yourself obviously and wanting to share to different platforms) and shipping it over here isn’t a good look when Lemmy wishes to be a separate aggregator from Reddit.
TRANSIT DIAGRAMS
Most content that gets posted on social media is ‘stolen’ from another social media site. That’s not really an issue.
But there are bots posting up threads from subs like AITA (complete with links to Reddit) where there’s no point engaging with a non-existent OP, so the threads do not get any engagement. And they often get posted in massive batches so it fucks up your feed too.
Lemmy needs to develop its own culture and that is made harder by people trying to make it a mirror of Reddit.
Came here to say this as well. I don’t mind “stolen” content. That’s the only way I’ll ever see it, as Lemmy is the only media I usually pay any attention to. The links though are obnoxious. I have zero interest in following it to reddit, and as you said, there’s no engagement here. It’s a waste of space.
Also, as long as it links there, it serves the completely ass-backwards purpose of actually providing Reddit with extra traffic. Probably not a lot though, I guesss.
On the other hand. I se no issues with spamming Reddit with Lemmy links to posts.
Exactly. Don’t shit on your own doorstep. Shitting on theirs is fine.
And of course. Looks like Reddit blocks Lemmy links.
This is correct. It’s worth noting that there are some communities that it’s probably fine for. If you’re posting news, memes or gifs, it doesn’t matter where they come from and it’s a much different thing than posting a question. But there are reams of bot-posted content in discussion communities that have zero comments and end up reducing engagement when people see all those.
I don’t see it that way. I think it’s also a problem with meme posts being automatically copied over. I really like the engament and like to interact with the community. Reading and writing comments is why I’m on a forum style website. And I wrote A LOT of them
This is my 500th comment on this account alone. I had a few others before settling on this one and I also was pretty active on reddit with over 100.000 Karma most of it in comment karma
I’m also a prolific commentor. I’m unlikely to comment on something like an AITA post that was copied from elsewhere by a bot, but that hesitation doesn’t apply if it’s like a news item or a meme. Maybe if there are suddenly hundreds in a row I’d be less likely.
Even on Reddit, much of that kind of content originated on Facebook, Twitter, or whatever.
Sure, but it’s bad if theres more content that the users can comment on. It gets boring after a while
I’ve been struggling with this. I have been posting a lot to the [email protected] community to try to get it going. At one point, I thought “these are just links to deals, wouldn’t it be easier to have a bot steal them from Reddit?”
But then I realized that while the links to deals have some value, it’s really the community and discussion that provides value. Would you rather have a bot creating a hundred posts a day with no comments? Or a few posts made by actual people with whom you can ask questions or have a discussion?
People think Lemmy should be Reddit, but when Treads Federates it will be something very different. I fully expect that Threads users will very quickly subscribe into LW communities and thus we will be something much bigger than reddit ever dreamed.
Threads
the app that’s integrated with instagram is gonna federate with lemmy? why and how?
Threads may or may not federate with Mastodon. It has not announced any plans to mimic Kbin and handle Lemmy as well.
I think “stealing” from reddit is fine, but the automated stuff sucks. Lemmy isn’t just supposed to be a carbon-copy of reddit. Having everything flooded with reddit posts would lead to Lemmy just being a dead “Reddit archive” without original content or engagement. Just look at places like /c/[email protected] , completely dead. Lemmy doesn’t even have the userbase to actually engage with such a large amount of content and having thousand of bot posts will be incredibly detrimental to the community.
This. I literally block every bot and every bot-infested community.
And besides, why and how would I fucking Ask Reddit on lemmy?
We’re trying to create something new here, not be a mirror or an archive of Reddit.
The engagement is what’s valuable. You can’t have engagement without content, that’s true. However, content without engagement is worthless.
With that in mind, if you “steal” a post from reddit and it generates engagement over here, nobody will have any problems with that. However, if you “steal” a bunch of posts from reddit and spam them over here, they probably won’t get engagement and therefore only serve to clutter the feed with empty content.
It’s important to remember that Lemmy and the Fediverse is a community, just like reddit is a community. Each of those communities behaves differently and has different expectations. Once you learn the community and the expectations, it becomes a lot easier to understand what you should and should not post.
It’s not that people think content from Reddit is stealing, it’s that we don’t want our feeds polluted with bots autoposting bullshit.
Why would we want a whole copy of Reddit? Reddit is a toxic pit.
If all you want is a clone of reddit, you can just go to reddit.
Lemmy is its own community with its own users and culture that will develop over time. Let it grow organically rather than trying to make it reddit Jr.
Nothing is stopping reddit users from creating content over here. But taking their content to a platform they’re not part of isn’t really fair to them, is it?
Because it’s basically saying that you’re so dull or lazy or unimaginative that you can’t even manage to come up with a post of your own, and so pathetic and needy that you’re just going to copy someone else’s.
Or you enjoyed a post and thought others might as well. I was picturing memes, not shower thoughts for posts, so that was a little jarring to read
It sucks because I can’t interact with the OP
get used to interacting with bots, didn’t you hear, they are the future
In the future, all posts will be randomized
If the repost bot would learn OP’s style from history then mimic OP that could be nice.
imho it’s fine to copy it here but i’d prefer if you scrubbed all references to its origin including usernames.
If all this place is is a dumping ground for Reddit content then you may as well go right to the source.
The problem is the UI of the source
Isn’t that what a lot of reddit is anyway lol, just stuff copied from other places too
The source got rid of 3rd party apps, which is why I’m here. So no, I don’t go right to that source anymore because their official app is flaming garbage. I appreciate their content however, so I’m grateful for anyone that brings it here so I can scroll through it on my phone using Sync still.
Reddit will still have higher search hits and Lemmy is outmatched. Dumping content from Reddit just makes this no better than a mirror. It stops real and unique content from hitting the top and this place won’t attract new users if they can just use Reddit which at this point has the content directly and is more reliable.
I’ve seen a number of communities that are otherwise dead without Reddit reposts, and being the most subscribed community for a given topic with the latest post being months ago is definitely not going to attract new users.
It’s either don’t repost, and new users won’t join because of dead community, or repost and have some activity, and maybe new users will join. With dead communities, new users won’t magically join, and new content won’t magically get created.
One such example was the bcpcsalescanada community, which was revived due to reposts.
This is unfortunately part of migrating. Not all communities can just move over. Larger ones will develop and with that side communities will start with a large enough user base. Reposting in this case still doesn’t do anything other than give you the exact same content as Reddit just now it’s without an interactive user base.
I’m not sure I agree… Or more precisely, it depends. [email protected] is an example of a community where there is value in reposting content from Reddit over, where the value is getting the coverage of deals. On Reddit, a small majority of users actively seek and share deals. If those users don’t move to Lemmy, that community is dead, period. No amount of enticement will introduce new content.
The secondary value now is that, previously, many users had to go to Reddit for that content, because that content isn’t available on Lemmy. Reposting isn’t just to kick-start user engagement, but is also a retention tool. Users don’t need to go to Reddit to fetch that info anymore. I know that was the case for me.
I understand the consequence of Lemmy being a mirror of Reddit. And yes, over reposting is detrimental. This is where reposts need to be strategically applied where it makes sense.
Ideally you don’t want a blood transfusion. But in specific circumstances, a blood transfusion kick-starts the healing/growth process.
I’m fine with bots reposting images. Memes and whatever. Because the discussion is pretty irrelevant. What I’ve been seeing a lot of is bots reposting text posts. Like r/amitheasshole and the like. It pisses me off. Doesn’t make any goddamn sense, the OP isn’t here, you can’t discuss with them. And they always lack any conversation on here. It’s just spam and I report it as such.
We just don’t want to incentive repost bots to, well, exist.
