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Should be two pronged - tariffs on cloud and other services while fostering competitive local alternatives. While it’s possible knock up a cloud out of anything there is nothing in Europe as coherent as the offerings by Amazon, Google or Microsoft. And there should be.
For now it’s a lot of mights and very few dids. Just make companies that are that huge to pay higher taxes to operate in the EU. It’s not a tariff is contributing their fair share to the social network of the EU. And ffs, reign in any country allowing these companies to operate in tax havens in the EU
ahh… I was wondering when people were going to start talking about Tariffs in relation to streaming services and purchasing software…
You’re thinking too small. Think of taxes on Enterprise software.
Show this to Varoufakis.
Maybe fix the Irish tax loophole first?
A slap on the wrist for two of the tech giants is great progress. I would consider this a start, but not done yet.
The linked article supports this as well:
Tove Maria Ryding from the European Network on Debt and Development, an association of trade unions and non-governmental organisations, welcomed the ECJ’s decision but stressed “our tax problem is more than just one rotten apple”.
She said the case addressed tax matters dating back over 20 years and was “a perfect illustration of the chaotic corporate tax system we have”.
“What we urgently need is a fundamental reform that can give us a tax system that is fair, effective, transparent and predictable," she said.
Exactly. Never do anything until you can do everything all at once. If you can’t wave a magic wand and solve all problems everywhere, it’s best to just keep the status quo.
Or, you know, do two things at once. It’s not uneard of for a huge governmental entity to be able to do that. And it’s stupid to repaint the ceiling when you have a leaky roof.
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Break up Ticketmaster!
Do it, fuck up Twitter, Amazon, meta, and everyone else that shared a stage with trump.
The only language they know is $, if trump is bad for their money, they’ll go against trump.
These are people obsessed with wealth over every thing else, it’s not hard to manipulate them, but when rational adults regain power, we need to tax the ever loving shit out of them because no matter what happens, they’ll always choose “more money”.
I wouldn’t go as far as saying it’s very easy to manipulate American oligarchs. However, they are relatively provincial and lack the capabilities to deal with truly complex challenges.
They operate in an environment with no real risk. They’ve never dealt with any real challenges. The US judicial system is a joke (even in China, Alibaba’s Jack Ma immediately regretted going on a public chimp out). US society is either openly supportive of corruption and criminality or lacks the capability (true desire and risk tolerance) to address corruption.
This is not to underestimate American oligarchs. They are extremely sophisticated and absolutely committed to their “number go up” fetish, but you also have to be real about what they are.
Good on you EU! I think a majority of the world would like to see Big Tech brought down a couple hundred pegs.
Yes. Tech billionaires are the ones who stood behind Trump proudly on inauguration day, so let’s start using Canadian/European options. Plenty of them match what those tech companies offer anyway.
I believe this is how we can cripple the US.
I just switched my services over and there are some great alternatives, we have just been pre-programmed to use the American default brands.
Adobe, Microsoft, Apple, Google, Amazon all easy to replace.
The only challenging one so far is YouTube, content is just lacking elsewhere, but atleast with adblockers YouTube isn’t getting my money.
As an American, I’m already subscribed to [email protected] and [email protected].
I’ll eat those tariffs to ensure the companies that stood at Trump’s side feel it in their stock portfolios.
That’s a great idea and I may do the same, because I have the means. I won’t blame ANYONE that can’t because they are just struggling to get by, though. There’s going to be a lot of pain and a lot of people are going to have to go into survival mode. If they have to buy the cheapest shit at Walmart to get by, I won’t judge.
Same. Hard times are coming, and I have a suspicion it’s going to be worse than 2008.
People will need to do what they can do, and I don’t blame them for surviving.
yes, there are clearly unfair trade practices here. EU has been making money for Google and Amazon, but the US are not using our services. I hear the best solution to this are tariffs: EU users have to pay to use gmail until enough US users start using EU email providers and we rebalance the services trade!
TBF, just leaving YouTube would be better. There’s plenty of information out there which don’t need some glorified video hosting platform (books, blogs, wikis and so oh). I really struggle trying to understand people’s addiction to YT…
I like long form video content from someone who is passionate about a subject
To each their own, I guess. I prefer written stuff.
Me too. A good written guide is always way more effective. There rare today though :/
Shout-out to Gamers Nexus for making a written site for all their content https://gamersnexus.net/ tho i recognize that’s not very helpful for avoiding American lol
I use YouTube extensively (I mean, 2-5 hours a day) and 7 days a week for years now; I use it for language learning, there is really nothing better than normal people chatting (to the camera or between themselves) about regular daily stuff that I’m also interested in, to improve comprehension, I’d love to find any source as rich as YouTube. Peertube is hopeless, I tried and failed there due to a complete lack of content (though I do check in occasionally, I’d love if some of my subscribed YouTubers would start publishing on that platform… Though I don’t know if there are any monetary incentives for them to do that?).
Can you not just make sure YouTube gets none of your money by using a front end that strips out all ads and sponsored segments? My kids watch YouTube but they’ve never seen an ad.
I pay for YouTube premium. Although I’d prefer to find an EU alternative, I really have no problem paying for a service that I consider worth the price.
A red flag for me, is if I’m paying for a service and they still show me adverts.
Google’s been attacking those lately, mostly to success (Piped and Invidious are effectively dead, ViewTube is also dead, and FreeTube’s a target now).
I’m specifically talking about the video as a medium to share information, and youtube is the worst, as it’s 99% filled with crappy influencer stuff whose only aim is to monetize people’s time.
Sure there’s that. I’m just trying to help you understand the viewpoint of some of the people that are heavy users of YouTube, and why there are currently no good alternatives, as you said “I really struggle trying to understand”.
I’m sure, like me, there are other people with their own alternative valid reasons for using YouTube for enormous amounts of time.
Just because some of the content on a platform is bad or not to our tastes, doesn’t mean it all is, and it certainly doesn’t mean that the users are wrong for using that platform in a way that suits them.
I do disagree with the publishing of content that is hateful or deliberately trying to misinform people, and I think YouTube has a lot of that, I’d obviously prefer it didn’t.
“I really struggle trying to understand the addiction”, was my original statement. The two last words are important.
That’s fair.
It’s not really the same kind of media at all, depending on what you watch. I guess what I look for in YouTube are interesting perspectives, often on things I haven’t even considered. Maybe something like blogs could partially replace it, but I’m not aware of any blogging platforms that have tons of interesting perspectives and things to talk about and actually knows what to offer me. Isn’t blogging kind of dead?
I used to read books when I was younger, but I have serious attention issues with text-only stuff. And it’s straining on eyes.
Any recommendations? It seems a lot of my alternatives are turning heel and I would like more options. Preferably ones not likely to turn heel.
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playstation
The game console, made by Sony, who famously keeps trying to fuck everyone else over?
All game console companies famously keep trying to fuck everyone else over. Sony actually comes off fairly well compared to Nintendo and Microsoft.
Sony shipped literal rootkits with their software years ago.
Yes. Twenty years ago. Now take a look at what Nintendo and Microsoft have been doing just within the past couple of years (as well as what they were doing twenty years ago and beyond, since they both have long track records of shitty behaviour.)
Yes, Sony is not a good company, but we’re comparing them to Nintendo and Microsoft here.
Jeez, guys… You’re a paleontologist or what? That happened centuries ago.
Amazon is barely a thing here in Sweden. It’s niche drop shipped garbage for the most part, very similar to Wish and the like.
They have some non-garbage stuff at the same price you find elsewhere.
They also don’t do logistics here. Utterly useless company.
Yeah they pulled out of QC so if I wasn’t so close to Ontario they’d be completely useless for me in canada too. Not that I haven’t avoided them for big purchases like computer stuff already, gonna have to look what general marketplaces we have otherwise lol
Thank you for this!
Little choice?
- allegro in Poland
- Otto, Kaufland, galaxus, etc in Germany
- idealo Europe-wide
- aliexpress and co worldwide
- your local retailer
- second hand shops or apps if you are into saving money and/or the planet
Tbh I just duckduckgo the company and product if I find it in Amazon and order directly
All the alternative businesses to Amazon suck. And also probably advertise on Amazon as drop shippers anyway.
Yeah, switched to a different company for kitchen stuff, bought it on their site and everything, felt good about it.
Delivery day comes, guess who delivered the package? Amazon. So that was great.
I’ve heard good things about lineage OS for android and maybe apple phones but I haven’t got around to using it
Amazon - the logistics company - is just a front end for (and leech on) various drop shippers, lately, anyway.
Amazon used to carry quality guarantees, and have meaningful reviews, but lately the wild West crapshoot of the rest of the web is just as good.
(And at least on the rest of the web I have some idea who I’m buying from, and can avoid them after a bad experience. On Amazon, it got to where there was no way I could tell.)
Aren’t drop shippers finished with the recent tariffs, especially closing the loophole of de minimis?
For you guys. Amazon canada will still be infested with them, for instance. Also that’s assuming the dropshippers don’t just reroute their stuff to whoever has the lowest tariffs before delivering it here, like how lindt is moving all it’s delivery back into Europe so that they can go around the US to deliver to places like Canada.
little choice for amazon the logistic company
Depends on where you live. Here in Germany we have a few alternatives, like “Otto” and a few others with specialisations like electronics. Some of them have a marketplace just like Amazon and they even offer the same cheap chinese crap that Amazon has to offer. So you could feel right at home.
Can use a website like idealo to search multiple stores at once. I just wish they had a filter to block amazon results.
Anyone who can should backup their favorite channels with yt-dlp while you can. Don’t forget to embed the subtitles and metadata. I intend to put up torrents soon and others should as well. If you wish to support the original channel put document with links to patreon or whatever that creator uses.
Depending on what content you watch, Nebula might be a good choice.
I agree with your point but you mentioned the services that are literally the hardest to find alternatives for. Need to use photoshop professionally, good luck getting around adobe. Sys admin only allows microsoft because he doesn’t want to manage a bazillion different setups, get used to windows buddy. I could go on with examples…
Getting rid of those predatory megacorps is worth the fight, but it’s a fight. And it’s not getting easier just by calling it easy.
Small buisnesses and more so consumers can flex on what they use. Academia can choose what they teach and require Governments can choose what they pay for
We have power
I think you’re forgetting the power of consumers. At work you might not be able to replace Photoshop or Microsoft but at home you certainly can. The more people that become familiar with alternative software the more likely professional environments are to adopt it.
Why would a company want to pay Adobe or Microsoft if their employees are more adept with free alternatives? Especially if those alternatives gain feature parity with the paid services while the paid services lock parts behind paywalls and subscriptions.
Don’t let perfect get in the way of good!
Adobe has a Print Production feature where you can run a Preflight Analysis that identifies all the elements in the PDF. I haven’t been able to find a similar feature elsewhere. I’d love to get off Adobe, but that one feature is pretty critical for my workflow.
Agreed. I’ve been using Krita quite a bit lately and honestly, it’s really good. I haven’t used an Adobe product for a few years, but it’s been able to do everything I want it to do so far.
As an American I’m here for it and encourage it. These greedy evil fuckers need to be brought down and if we have to burn it all down so be it, so we can rebuild better. What we have now is clearly not functioning for anyone but the 1%.
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Yes PLEASE
I was afraid of this… I support it but don’t need it. Oh well… Fuck the USA anyway!
lol holy shit do it. DO IT. This will utterly FUCK the profit model of more things than I can quickly explain
Let’s just hope they move fast and aren’t afraid to break things.
Sounds like a good idea, hit them where it hurts! I left Big Tech a while ago, but if the EU can hit them with tariffs and hurt people like Zuck and (F)Elon, awesome!
Amen!!!
Do it, the USA lost their industrial base to the shareholders and services is all they have. Let it rip!
