That’s why sausages are better than Linux: you can start using them on a professional level right from the start. And as a bonus sausages don’t use Nvidia!
…and this was before April…
This timeline is so fucked 😂😂😂
You’ll get to the point where you can’t use windows anymore XD
I’m about at that point. I had to set up a Windows VM last year to do some testing. It was more of a struggle to install than I expected.
I stopped using it regularly several years ago, then I come back to help someone install it and it took me more time than I want to admit to figure out how to make a local account that wasn’t attached to a Microsoft cloud account.
To be fair they make this harder almost by the day.
By design. Soon ms won’t allow you to even have the OS installed, it will only be internet accessible (no internet=no pc usage) so they can steal more data for free.
I had to troubleshoot some windows problems for family a bit back, and it was the worst x3
Joke’s on me, I still have to use windows at work!
Nah, even a kid can handle Windows. But after becoming a Linux user, I don’t even want to look at Windows, that’s for sure.
A young enough kid can handle just about anything put in front of them at the same rate. When you are learning from zero there isn’t a ton of difference.
I mean early 2000s? Oh windows easier 100%. But today? Both are easy im different ways and to a child just starting out on computer it won’t matter
Meanwhile, when, as a little more than a basic user, I look at my system, feeling as if I’m dealing with a dumpster fire just to have that nagging recurrent insight: “I actually have a brain and can learn!”
You can actually go through the motions for years and learn nothing if the software allows for it.
If you are the “computer person” in your family, you probably have experience screwing with, breaking, and fixing whatever OSes you have used over the years.
The refreshing difference with Linux is that the software and the people who created it are not trying to prevent you from doing what you want with your computer.
This is why you have to switch to more and more difficult distros over time, to keep yourself on your toes
It’s a bell curve. Eventually you switch back to ez mode for your main machine and have alternative or niche distros on spare kit
Can confirm. Study laptops are on Linux Mint Debian Edition, gaming PC is on CachyOS currently but it changes all the time, had Bazzite on it beforehand
Ken Thompson, who invented UNIX first in assembly and then rewrote it in C, is now running a Debian derived OS as his main daily driver.
Me going from Mint to Ubuntu to Kubuntu to Neon to Arch. My experience with the Arch installation process is just the command
shutdownSomeday I’ll be comfortable enough with this nerd shit to trust myself with unsupervised access to a CLI. Until then I’m happy just knowing what a DE is
next step is nixos! holy fuck transitioning from arch to nixos was hell, i did like 10 years of arch.
Or Gentoo? I haven’t used nixos yet so cant speak on it but Gentoo has been awesome to tinker and learn with.
I think nixos is harder than gentoo, plus you can do all the gentoo compile from source stuff on nixos
Genuinely curious cause i don’t know much nixos, does it support an equivalent to USE flags or slots?
I don’t know much about gentoo, but use flags sound a lot like overlays to me, but like I said, i’m not familiar with gentoo.
nixos allows the install of various versions of software by default so slots are definitely a thing. It’s one of the main things nix wanted to fix.
I ended up installing the nox package manager on my gentoo machine, and it’s been useful so far. Got some packages installed that aren’t in the native Gentoo repo
it’s a good os. on the other hand everytime i learned anything in windows it would get invalidated by new ux and new bugs…
Same with arson
What’s the Venn Diagram of “childhood pyromaniacs” and “Linux users” look like?
Too fuckin real.
It’s just 1 circle with both labels in it.
Can confirm, I nearly burnt down my house twice and the car we were driving in down a busy highway once when I was a kid, now I use Linux.
You ever seen a really bad hemorrhoid?
Ok. Thank you. That’s enough internet for today.
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I only mean to say that the diagram would be one circle packed tightly inside a slightly larger one.
Hmm. Sounds like the Orange Orangutan fucking up the government: a hemorrhoid inside a hemorrhoid. 😎
Boom! Gottem.
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Can confirm. Made many sparkler/aerosol can boom.booms
See, this is why you Linux users have a bad rep.
/s
Me when I realize the more I use Termux, the better I get at using Debian
But I use Linux all the time and am still horrible at it!
Fr, GitHub may as well be written in wingdings
Thank Linus for nerds that write proper readmes
And the less you use Windows, the worse you get at using it. Luckily the bar for Windows competency is pretty low, just basic critical thinking skills and Google get you far.
You can make that point for any operating system, basic critical thinking could mean anything
You could but you’d be drawing a false equivalency.
I got an equivalency for ya
Pb(s)+2 HCl(aq)→PbCl2(s)+H2(g)
basic critical thinking skills
My great-aunt would like a word with you.
Honestly, potentially the more you use Windows the worse you get at it. You come to accept the garbage, but the more you try to fix it the more it fights you and the less stable it becomes. A user who just doesn’t touch anything is probably better off.
Windows I just got used to my issues and didn’t try to fix them if I couldn’t find similar issues online, with linux ill actually check for the issue and usually find and fix it (with the help of the internet, but the initial phase of finding what I need to search and what the issue is, I do better on linux)
/triggered/
Oh hell no. My basic critical thinking applied to googling has got me to a forum with the solution to wi-fi not working in the form of “meh, it happens. reser all network settings and reboot”. Which became my personal turning point of “fuck this shit, I’d rather have actually debuggable software”
/cooled down/
Well, your point read as “look at the problem, search for solutions and you probably will find them” stands, it is the low competency bar that triggered me: to even know where crash logs etc might be on Windows is far beyond even “power user” level
What? It’s easy to find a solution to WiFi problems, come on.
Usually, sure, but mine was just that. It helped, so kind of solution anyway
If you’re searching online for how to fix the problem… Couldn’t you also search online on how to find the crash logs? I fully get sometimes not having enough knowledge in a subject to even know where to begin searching, but “well, the first result wasn’t helpful, guess I’ll stop looking for an answer” and “it says to check XYZ, but I don’t know what that is. Too bad I don’t have a way to search for what things are” aren’t exactly difficult hurtles to overcome.
I could, if only I knew they existed :)
I only learned windows had system-level crash logs by reading someone’s post about many programs ignoring that and thus it being way less helpful than one might expect it to be, while on Linux it seems something that gets picked up quite early: the system can write “check logs using journalctl something-somethng”, vast number of posts asking to provide system logs with the commands to get them, various troubleshooting guides mentioning system logging. Though in the end this difference can be traced to difference in philosophies: neither microsoft, nor most authors of online guides have a habbit of troubleshooting things this way
Over the years of using Windows (2010-2023), I don’t remember learning anything at all, only using the command line twice, once to check the hard disk and once to clean the registry… I’m in love with Linux terminal.
Over the years of using Windows (2010-2023)
I switched to Linux full time in 2011 👴. Was fed up with Windows 7’s bullshit.
But I must say, I leaned a tone while I was using Windows XP,. This is during this time I would build my first PCs, setup local network at home and for LAN parties, setup file sharing and damn printers 🤬, start to learn programming.
Did you not learn anything because you simply did not need to, perhaps? Because you can do a lot if you need to.
I guess so.
My gosh if it was easier I would have done so much with Windows before switching to Linux. Instead I was stuck with bad performance and annoying pop ups from my device manufacturer.
What popups? Am I doing something wrong/right that I do not get those? What could you not do but now can?
HP had a thing that popped up in my task bar that in order to hide I had open their preinstalled software that didn’t work.
Also less common were the Microsoft account things after updates and other Microsoft fullscreen things that caused serious difficulties as they wouldn’t even render right in some cases (I got something telling me to install windows 11 which wasn’t even possible for some reason and the close button was off screen, that happened the last time I used that computer after not having touched it for a couple of weeks).
Edit: Things I couldn’t do but can do now that I use Linux and learned how to:
- bind my own system key combinations
- select the right (GPU) driver version (though the newest has been fine for months now)
- use a launcher that doesn’t open bing in ms edge when I spell something wrong and just generally is quicker.
Hopefully we can make progress on the “getting people started” front instead of the “I hate UI and am superior to others” circlejerk
I’ve tried my hardest to use Linux but gave up. I want to like it, but the hurdle is too high to get everyone on board. At the end of the day, the computer is a tool. Maybe a hand made walking stick is better than a manufactured one - someone who is not versed in the ergonomics and construction of walking sticks is going to opt for the stick that enables them to walk today. I use computers enough to see learning Linux as an investment, it’s just not something I have time for today.
I like that analogy. A walking stick you buy from a store can never fit you as perfectly as one you make yourself, but if you don’t know how to make a walking stick, you’re gonna make a shitty walking stick. I’m happy that I’m in a position to walk with a shitty stick until I get better at carving, so to speak
I haven’t personally encountered any of that myself. I personally don’t use GUIs (UI could also refer to a terminal) for anything other than apps that implemented one for their own settings and unless they use the same terminology as the terminal commands or files I wouldn’t be able to guide anybody through one. So if people are just unwilling to learn how to use a inferior yet simpler way to do something just because somebody who asked for help finds it simpler that seems totally reasonable.
Wow, in that way it’s almost like Linux is the same as every other thing.
Nah I just ask deepseek. It set up a set of dockers for me in 2 minutes and also gave me commands to create my folder structures.
You probably did this, but for anyone reading, if you copy commands from the internet, look up what all the commands and flags do to be sure you understand it fully, and then type it in yourself in a terminal instead of copy/paste. If you get an instruction to curl <something> | sh, split it into two steps, curl to get the script to a local file you can read, read it, then run if you know what it does. Do these things for anything you don’t trust 100%.
I did half of that. I looked at the commands to see what it did, what folders it made. Then I checked that the dockers pulled is the same from the official docker sites. I pasted the codes in rather than manual typing though. I’ve done this from sonarr, radar, audiobookshelf, jellyfin and sabnzbd.
The terminal commands to get dockers working I did copy directly from deepseek after checking it’s the same on docker’s site. Weird part is I tried to follow docker’s instructions first but it didn’t work. Then after looking at deepseek, it gave the same instructions from a different page of deepseek. So what I copied into command should have been the same.
Other than that I don’t really install anything as I’m quite paranoid about these stuff.
Good. To be honest I sometimes copy/paste too, but there is a possible trick to hide characters in the copied text with an automatic return at the end so when you paste you immediately run something you don’t intended. If I copy from some random shady blog I’d be more careful than from the official docker documentation I guess.
That makes sense. What about AI answers, it feels unlikely for AI to do that.
