The first crew would face the most difficult challenges. Imagine the relief after expecting to establish the fundamentals of civilization, and instead are just assigned your living quarters.
I would definitely prefer to be a leader of new world than just be sent to my room.
I guess. I’m more of a space socialist, myself. Silly me always assumed that equality and collaboration would be a precursor to colonization of other worlds. Musk is trying so hard to prove me wrong. Lol
What if you set out with the idea of starting socialist utopia on a new planet and get there to find booming corporate dystopia?
Let’s burn this bitch down and start over with the common man in mind, and the needs of everyone met.
Or let’s go find a new planet. With blackjack, and hookers.
Put me back to sleep and wake me for the revolution.
I don’t know how you can look around at the world and think that will ever be a thing.
If people stopped starving, beating,.and raping children for 2 generations it would be possible. Humans have no need to compete with each other for survival already. If we could just get a generation or two with minimal human inflicted trauma it would be obvious.
Seems possible to me.
If people stopped starving, beating,.and raping children for 2 generations it would be possible.
How do you propose we achieve this? We’d have to isolate a group of people who’ve never experienced abuse and set them up somewhere the rest of us could never come in contact with them again.
Step one: School breakfast and lunch for all. Food benefits for struggling families on top of that.
Let’s get it done.
Space is big. You can always go out and find a different place.
Except you’re basically a caveman. You leave and you’re one of the world’s foremost engineers, trusted to know everything necessary to build a new settlement from scratch, with no help from Earth.
You get there and your engineering knowledge is 3000 years out of date. The only people who are interested in your skills are archaeologists and anthropologists. They use an app to ask you questions like “Could you demonstrate how you used woodpaper to wipe your anus?”
What a fascinating point. I’d be fine holding antique engineering story hour as my contribution. Who knows what old gems were lost over the years. It sounds like fun, even if I was just a novelty.
If the records survived, they might not need anything from you, because they’ve already watched it all on video. But, maybe some of them would be interested to see it in person once. Even if we know how warriors fought 3000 years ago, it would still be interesting to see a true expert warrior using their weapons in a way that took a lifetime to master.
If the records didn’t survive, you might be a valuable person to study for a while, but it might quickly get tiring to basically be a sideshow performer, there to delight the people who think of you as this ultra-primitive thing that’s nearly an animal.
I would bet it would be pretty frustrating for most people after a while. You’d have this mental image of yourself as a sophisticated, modern person who was respected by his/her peers. Suddenly, you’d be living in a world where people around you might be struggling to contain their disgust. Things that are normal to you like eating meat or peeing in a toilet might be seen as animal-like behaviours.
If you’re lucky, then your sophisticated construction and engineering techniques might be seen as impressive feats of craftsmanship. In a world where robots fasten everything that needs fastening, just driving in a nail or using a screwdriver might be seen as something really fancy, like we’d now see the kinds of stonemasonry that they might have had millennia ago.
But, if your self-image is that of an advanced engineer, and the best you can hope for is to be seen as a quaint old-timey craftsman, that might not be very satisfying.
You’re absolutely correct from a “best practice” standpoint, but only the standards make it into records. That’s the source of our admiration of “old-fashioned know-how.”
Real life experience can’t be catalogued. The index doesn’t have dirt under its nails. Sure, I’d be obsolete and out of place in the day-to-day, but I’d always be ready to coyboy up in a crisis.
In the meantime, I could probably make a decent living creating one-of-a-kind newly handcrafted antiques for the neo-hipsters.
I think I’d really enjoy our movie, btw.
Real life experience can’t be catalogued
In ye olde days it couldn’t. But, what if the current database of YouTube videos survives? You’d get every non-expert trying everything in any way possible. If books and podcasts survive, you’d have every discussion on why things are done a certain way and not another way. Assuming it all survives, there’d be so much more information to future archaeologists and anthropologists than today. Right now we just dig up a shard of pottery and try to figure things out from whatever we can glean from that pottery.
It would make for a cool movie. The only problem is trying to imagine a really distant future that makes the present look barbaric.
They had fun with that in Demolition Man with the three shells. Star Trek TNG did it in The Neutral Zone where they had a bunch of people from the 20th century including a financier who couldn’t accept the lack of money in the future. But it’s really hard to make a future that’s believable and makes the present look barbaric.
The only problem is trying to imagine a really distant future that makes the present look barbaric.
But it’s really hard to make a future that’s believable and makes the present look barbaric.
This episode of Star Trek: DS9 from 1995 depicts life in 2024
The Bell Riots weren’t what they were cracked up to be. Either that, or they got the date wrong.
But, the writers in that scene went really easy on the set dressers and costumers: “Ok, it’s a street scene in 2024, but everyone is poor, and as a result they don’t have anything built after… say… 1995.”
That’s so true. I’ve thought about that quite a lot watching sci-fi. I really enjoy the idea of trying to create a completely new culture or civilization without first seeing it as an inevitable evolutionary progression. I think that’s the only way to really imagine a civilization that far into the future.
I love that you thought of the three shells. It’s absolutely one of my favorite sci-fi mechanics to leave unexplained phenomena up to the viewer or reader. Most stories end up as a bland socialist paradise or a dystopian nightmare. I like the idea of something different altogether, or a blend of present-day and something else entirely. Kind of like how Taco Bell won the fast food wars. Lol
Sounds awesome not only you skipped the hardest part you have everything setup and get to live a good life. Unless of course that was your goal to experience building the colony.
How is that not great for me? Setting up a colony must be hard work and all around pretty horrible.
I think that’s exactly what one would be hoping for. One does this to escape the reality of human civilization and seek the adventure of building it over again.
It’s like a start up. Show up early and buy in on low stocks, work your ass off, retire at 40. I’d assume it’s something like that. Pick the best place to build your house, claim all the resources.
Or maybe he just wanted solitude.
I mean if they get there ang there are like ruins and remnants, that’s going to be a good sci-fi horror-detective-thriller story
Cryosleep in earth would be pretty baller. Imagine all the people who’d sign up to just skip ahead 50 years.
What’s the name of the movie?
Fast and Furious 27
Idiocracy.
Ty !
Watch it, and suddenly dozens of memes will make sense.
If you like it. Check out the new show with some of the creators in it. Common Side Effects. Great animated show.
lmao havent seen that one. “Welcome to the future! Nothing’s changed.”
This little detour…
That’s the plot of a nice obscure theatre piece I know, but they don’t travel that far, are awake, and see the other ships pass. It’s awsome and fun for the audience and super frustrating for the characters.
This is a take I never saw before on this matter. Is there a source?
It’s never been officially published and it’s not in English - it trully is obscure. It was played several times though with enough success and I do have the whole thing on my computer somewhere, probably (or at least I know who to ask for it). I’m not sure it’s worth reading in automatic translation, but if you’re interested, I could send it to you.
Oh, then it could be difficult. Thanks anyway.
Call that one a win.
Take risk of signing up for a 3000 year hyper-sleep trip.
Reap the rewards of being a pioneer without having to do any of the hard work.
As if that future civilization would treat you as anything but a zoo specimen
Damn, you make it sound better and better. Just sent me out already!
join intergalactic ship pilgrimage hoping to be a pioneer to a new world
Land to late stage capitalism and the same oppression you were just trying to escape.
Id shoot myself immediately.
A mission in starfield (shit game but honestly decent writing at the very least) included just this. A generation ship finally arrived at its destination long after FTL travel was invented to find that the intended colony planet was already a fancy resort planet. You have to broker some kind of agreement between the parties.
It’s a couple of Star Trek episodes too. Similar idea is how they found Khan.
That’s why you outfit your ship with mass drivers.
Any parasites roaming around on your paradise? A couple hundred rocks at 2% light speed will clear that up.
Nice nice, and in the 3000 intervening years they’ve developed alpha particle cannons that shred your entire swarm of rocks and puny physical spaceship to white hot quantum loops as they sip megachampagne on their continent sized airships as they watch your fleet unwillingly transition to light
The gun that fired the barrage was the size of a juice box floating somewhere in orbit, they have millions of them
You didn’t even get a chance to pull your finger off of the mass driver button
It’s not made on earth so it’s mega sparkling wine
50+ years younger too.
At least you aren’t a soldier ready to restart a war that’s been settled
Babylon 5 had an episode on this. A sleeper ship was launched and a few years later we got jump gate tech from an alien race.
The Orville too. And apparently this show called “Ark” too (going by other comments). And in books and video games too. Seems to be a common sci-fi trope.
That’s how they found Khan in Star Trek.
It was also the plot of a sci fi story Far Centaurus by AE Van Vogt.
Well at least you didn’t have to spend the rest of your life building civilisation from scratch.
Could be even worse than that. You could arrive to find a planet dominated by talking apes with humans living as primitive animals, only to later find that your ship whipped back around and you were on Earth all along.
I love you, Dr. Zaius!
You know, this is the live-action remake Disney needs to actually make. They own the rights to The Simpsons and Planet of the Apes. They could absolutely make a feature-length Planet of the Apes musical. And I don’t want them to use the CGI apes like they use in the modern films. Bring back the 1960s makeup. If you’re going to do it, do it right.
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Yeah but it’s all strip malls and Arby’s.
Don’t you dare slander Arby’s and the Big Montana!
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That’d be why I’d sign up
it’d still be cool as fuck, i wouldn’t even be mad
Yeah, what’s the new civilization’s tech like? Bound to be more advancements than just travel speed. Do they have sufficiently fast FTL communication with Earth to keep up with the tech advancements?
Not only that, but 3000 years into the future, language has changed so much that the plural of SHEEP is now SHOOP
That’s right, androids do dream of electric SHOOP
Shit’s wild yo
Shoop da whoop?
1000 years alone is a wildly long time for language. Granted, written language and education are more accessible than ever, so I imagine language evolution will be significantly slower than it once was, but still I found this short of English over the past 1000 years to be really interesting
Have you seen how fast slang is evolving currently? I can’t even imagine translating something like “chat, am I cooked?” to my grandma.
Also on a side note; have you noticed the rise in lisps?
I can’t even imagine translating something like “chat, am I cooked?” to my grandma.
“Hey folks, am I in trouble?”
Riddle me this, Lads: do I find myself in a pickle?
True! Fad based language spreads like wildfire with modern tech! At the same time, I feel like trends like that fall out of favour just as fast. It’s definitely a wild time for language evolution.
3000 years is insanely long for language. Consider that the mother fucking alphabet was invented around 1000 BC*, and basically no languages that anyone still speaks existed in their modern forms. Homer hadn’t written the Illiad and the Odyssey yet, and the standard Greek that came to be defined by these works had also yet to develop. If you went back to 1000 BC you’d have no idea what was going on.
*Although previous alphabets existed, the Phoenician alphabet that became the basis for pretty much all modern writing systems in Europe, North Africa, and Western Asia was invented around 1100 BC
Dude, listen to 1000 CE English. It’s 90% jibberish even at that point.
I know I was just saying 3000 years and basically nobody alive today understands the language. Even people who devote their whole lives to the languages around at that time are basically just making informed guesses on pronunciation and would probably struggle considerably to understand an actual speaker.
so are tiktok comment sections, your point?
It’s also possible that audio recording being a thing that exists will slow changes in language as well.
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So you’re telling me, someone else did all the work already, I don’t have to lift a finger? Awesome.
Technically you just slept through the whole thing
The Fry Maneuver
With some variations, used already a few times in games and series.
