Roughly $11.1 trillion has been wiped away from the U.S. stock market since Jan. 17, the Friday before President Donald Trump took the oath of office and began his second term, according to data from Dow Jones Market Data.
Some $6.6 trillion of that figure was lost on Thursday and Friday alone — the largest two-day wipeout of shareholder value on record, Dow Jones data showed.
Just wait until the markets open on Monday…
I wonder if they’ll pause the markets.
It’s a rule hard baked into the NYSE that trading is paused for at least 15 minutes if it drops 7% in a single day. It is paused again for at least 15 minutes if it drops 13%, and then trading is ended for the day if it drops 20%.
Has 20% drop ever occurred?
No. The 7% breaker went off 4 separate times in March 2020, though.
I’m 41 years old, I’ll be 42 in a few weeks, I’m getting really tired of living through these “once in a lifetime events” every 24-48hrs.
Total sidebar: You should re-read The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy when you turn 42!
That’s what I did. Now I’ll never forget the last time I read the series.
I’ll have to do that thanks.
As a 45yo, I agree.
Yeppp. Also makes me really distrust mainstream economists, because somehow these crashes always come as a surprise.
Like what we’re doing is not working. We need to try something else
What does this have to do with any economist? Are they supposed to be able to predict a cheeto imposing absurd global tarriffs? “Once in a lifetime” is just an expression the media likes to use.
Sorry I topic drifted a bit. I wasn’t actually thinking of that. I was under the impression that things were going very poorly even before tariffs.
Mainstream economists have been predicting this for nearly a year. It’s a surprise to almost no one.
Oh i guess that’s true. I’m not sure what my point was. I guess political/party economists? But maybe they’re not informed by actual economists.
It seems like there is a disconnect between what I hear politicians talking about vis what the journals say
Trump doesn’t have a team of reputable economists guiding his policies.
He’s just making decisions based on the vibe.
You assume that educated people are making the final decision, when that has not been the case in at least 60 years.
Economists can scream from the roof-tops that the wealth-gap is harmful (they have), that ignoring science is regressive (they have), and that tariffs are fucking stupid (they have). But if the people in power (i.e CEO, Lobbyists, President) simply ignore them and do stupid shit anyway, it’s all pointless.
Moral of the story, this is not on the economists. This is on the stupid being in positions of power and the ignorant masses not holding them accountable.
What tells you that this isn’t working? Seems to be working as intended. You mis-assumed that this administration gives a flying fuck about anyone worth less than $1 billion.
I meant for melol
Lets hope this leads to Republicans loosing for 60 years like last time :3
Now I know why Trump, during his rally, said people would ask him to stop winning.
You can’t really use past market events as a reference for anything happening now. The global system is completely different and changing very fast. The longer term implications here are that the U.S. Govt has been out of money for a while and there is a ton of upcoming debt to issue. Part of the response to this is to fund the Govt using tariffs, and begin shrinking the deficit by using the economic problems and the total debt to justify it. They are trying to avoid a debt crisis where there is more debt being issued than buyers. The problem is that this time, with other options existing for capital than Treasuries, which given the circumstances, the old idea that people run to Govt debt when the markets crash for safety just might not hold up this time. The end result is that they haven’t solved anything, and in fact made the upcoming debt crisis much worse. What’s more is that the old reserve currency dollar system being replaced will accelerate now as trade is forced to route around the U.S. There are so many second order effects here too, all of this will kick off a justification to privatize everything and have the private sector jump in to save and replace Govt functions. What they have wanted to do all along anyway, and given the current political climate will mirror the oligarchs taking over Govt functions after the collapse of the USSR. This is just more of a controlled demolition.
Sorry for the wall of text. Also, a bretton woods style agreement will be necessary, it’s just that there is no single world power strong enough to enforce one. The futures for Monday look pretty bad too, and there are so many unresolved problems since 2008 that could blow up one after another once all the liquidity is removed and there is no one willing to purchase all the upcoming debt.
The debt issue is greatly over exaggerated. The US as a whole owns over 300 trillion in assets and trillions more in untouched resources. The US isn’t broke and it isn’t poor. It only feels poor because
- our capitalist system is nearly the worst possible system for distributing resources where they actually need to go and
- Capitalists use their resources to corrupt and bend our government to their will which results in car centric urban sprawl that is 5x less resource efficient.
For example, if we built public transit and walkable cities we could make transit completely free and it would cost far less than subsidizing car dependency. But we can’t do that nation wide because it would devalue the car industry, the asphalt industry, rubber industry, and the oil industry. Under capitalism, the profits of the 0.1% always take priority over what benefits the 99%
I expect Musk to become the first trillionaire from all of this. Thing is, that trillion will be worth $100 Euros or any other form of currency that isn’t attached to America.
May the money pit that Musk stands on, suck him in like a bog.
Trillionaires already exist. They’re just all in Zimbabwe.
Amazing how every time the Republicans get majority control of things the markets go to shit. The faster they work to dismantle what democratic control of something exists the faster it falls apart.
It’s going great!
Oh, is it tee time already?
Let’s see if he can make that number $111 Trillion lost by the end of May 2025.
Go woke go broke? Seems like when you go conservative you get absolutely ripped.
I know your right in saying people vote like Trump was the conservative, but Harris was really the conservative. Trump was the populist autocratic. thinking the GOP is the conservative party is crazy to me. They haven’t been in a long ass time. You want status quo and security for your money and livelyhood? Don’t vote for the populist who has ‘‘ideas’’ about how the country should REALLY be ran.
That’s how you get Pol Pot shutting down food imports because he wanted higher domestic food production, you know BEFORE they could make enough food to feed everyone without the imports. All the other autocrat or populist that instantly rammed a country into the ground also had a cult that made them entirely delusional.
That’s how you get Pol Pot shutting down food imports because he wanted higher domestic food production, you know BEFORE they could make enough food to feed everyone without the imports.
This really is exactly what trump is doing. He’s slinging tariffs around like that will spur US industries (and as a petty attempt at being a strongman) and farming but giving those industries zero lead time, and on top of that, the tariffs he imposed are going to affect all of the materials and machinery those industries would need to ramp up their production. And on true insulated tyrant fashion he just makes a declaration and then it’s everyone else’s problem to deal with.
Dude’s a fucking idiot.
Amen you right. America is so far right wing, thats why any small help for the common worker or man they all scream socialism or communism.
go fasch lose cash
A bunch of wallets just got the bigot spigot
It was projection once again. It turns out being anti-woke is indeed the path to poverty
Come on now a couple billionaires are going to make tons of money
Which billionaire is making money? Look at the stock market and look how much these big companies lost.
Lose 75 out of a 100 billion? Still plenty of money to consolidate failing businesses and buy real estate for cheap.
Can’t afford it? Too big to fail, government loans and bailouts.
This has happened before and the wealthy just get more in the end.
so the chainsaw worked!
so weird to be cheering for our own demise, but is it really our own demise? i don’t own stocks. do you? and where does 11 trillion actually go? to another country’s market? fiat currency is so weird. it’s almost as if it’s all just smoke and mirrors that don’t actually reflect reality. did anything physically change since dumptwat announced tariffs? capitalism just seems like a giant lie divorced from reality. let’s burn it all down.
Do you have a 401k?
No actually. My job doesn’t offer one. Many people either are in the same position where their job doesn’t offer retirement benefits or they’re not paying into it because they need every last cent they can spare.
lol no
Turns out the thing about people not having 500 USD in their accounts was real after all
People are just realizing that they were not cooked, just merely marinating
Yeah, but I moved 90% of it to stable bonds in Inauguration Day.
Never fear, those will be worthless once he finishes crashing it all.
The value went away, not actual money. Say you own a pair of Jordan’s original shoes worn playing for the bulls, and he shows up drunk on a tv show and spends an hour crapping all over the bulls. You still own the shoes, but they will be worth less if you try to sell them.
but they’re still shoes, and if you bought them for anything more than being shoes, doesn’t that seem divorced from reality?
Their point isn’t about shoes. It’s about how a thing can change in value.
i understand that, but do you understand what i’m saying?
In terms of where the money foes its quite easily. The majority will just evaporate. A lot of people and company’s may shift their invested money to European (or somewhere else) companys whichay rise a bit in value, but the majority of the money is just gone. The value of a company is a mix of how profitable they are and a lot of how much people think a company will be profitable in the future and therefore are investing into it (its like the typical production and demand thing. If more people want to buy something it rises in value).
where the money foes its quite easily. The majority will just evaporate.
the thing that didn’t exist in the first place evaporated. that doesn’t sound weird to you?
also “how much people think a company will be profitable”… you just described a confidence game and gambling.
It is like you said. Its artificial value. Its value generated, by how much people are willing to pay for a share of it. And as you rightfully realised, its basically gambling. You can make predictions based on the current trend (what ever trend it may be),but its still gambling.
Wow, $11 trillion is a lot. Really puts the $36 trillion sitting liquid in offshore tax havens into perspective (yet seems to be missing from every conversation about money.)
The problem is that it is legal (in a gray legal sort of way), and the people in power only lose if they fix it. So we can only talk about it.
Perhaps it’s high time to go beyond talking about it.
Such as?
How does this compare to 2008?
28 September 2007 S&P 500 was $1526 per share
27 February 2009 it was $735
31 January 2025 it was $6040
Today it is $5074
Ok, so 2008 was a 52% loss in almost a year and a half.
Right now it’s only a 16% loss in a little over 2 months.
Someone far smarter than I am could maybe figure out the monthly decline percentage and compare 2008 losses vs now. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a shitload of money, but it doesn’t look like the stock market is anywhere close to reaching 2008 levels of loss…yet.
Roughly
3.05% per month in 2008
7.75% per month today but the time period is much smaller
Ahhh so this is even worse than I thought because we haven’t even seen the effects of the tariffs yet and probably won’t for a while.
Too. Much. Winning.
We will see how bad it will actually become and if it can match 2008 levels.
What were the first few months like in 08? I was only 13 and already in poverty so I honestly never noticed
In my experience I was in the middle of a transition at work. A company was buying the contract of all the other contract companies and the way they did it was shady as hell. We had to sign new contract agreements and had I not signed the agreement I most likely wouldn’t have been able to file unemployment and finding a job would have been impossible.
I stayed in that job way too long because of fear and the devil you know vs the devil you don’t. I worked at that job and company for almost 10 more years because I liked my immediate boss but despised the bullshit the company was doing. It was not good for my mental health.
Had 2008 not happened, there was no way I was signing that new contract. Many people didn’t and struggled for a bit finding new jobs. My mental health most likely would have been better. But hindsight is 20/20
Its liberation day!
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You mean libation day, right?
ಠ_ಠ
You mean libation day, right?
Lobotomy Day!
The best you’ve ever had!
The US stock market has been liberated of 11 trillion dollars and counting.
What a party, what a party.
“Drill, baby, drill”
Stock market: “To the
mooooooncooooooooore!”
