Roughly $11.1 trillion has been wiped away from the U.S. stock market since Jan. 17, the Friday before President Donald Trump took the oath of office and began his second term, according to data from Dow Jones Market Data.
Some $6.6 trillion of that figure was lost on Thursday and Friday alone — the largest two-day wipeout of shareholder value on record, Dow Jones data showed.
You can’t really use past market events as a reference for anything happening now. The global system is completely different and changing very fast. The longer term implications here are that the U.S. Govt has been out of money for a while and there is a ton of upcoming debt to issue. Part of the response to this is to fund the Govt using tariffs, and begin shrinking the deficit by using the economic problems and the total debt to justify it. They are trying to avoid a debt crisis where there is more debt being issued than buyers. The problem is that this time, with other options existing for capital than Treasuries, which given the circumstances, the old idea that people run to Govt debt when the markets crash for safety just might not hold up this time. The end result is that they haven’t solved anything, and in fact made the upcoming debt crisis much worse. What’s more is that the old reserve currency dollar system being replaced will accelerate now as trade is forced to route around the U.S. There are so many second order effects here too, all of this will kick off a justification to privatize everything and have the private sector jump in to save and replace Govt functions. What they have wanted to do all along anyway, and given the current political climate will mirror the oligarchs taking over Govt functions after the collapse of the USSR. This is just more of a controlled demolition.
Sorry for the wall of text. Also, a bretton woods style agreement will be necessary, it’s just that there is no single world power strong enough to enforce one. The futures for Monday look pretty bad too, and there are so many unresolved problems since 2008 that could blow up one after another once all the liquidity is removed and there is no one willing to purchase all the upcoming debt.
The debt issue is greatly over exaggerated. The US as a whole owns over 300 trillion in assets and trillions more in untouched resources. The US isn’t broke and it isn’t poor. It only feels poor because
- our capitalist system is nearly the worst possible system for distributing resources where they actually need to go and
- Capitalists use their resources to corrupt and bend our government to their will which results in car centric urban sprawl that is 5x less resource efficient.
For example, if we built public transit and walkable cities we could make transit completely free and it would cost far less than subsidizing car dependency. But we can’t do that nation wide because it would devalue the car industry, the asphalt industry, rubber industry, and the oil industry. Under capitalism, the profits of the 0.1% always take priority over what benefits the 99%
I expect Musk to become the first trillionaire from all of this. Thing is, that trillion will be worth $100 Euros or any other form of currency that isn’t attached to America.
May the money pit that Musk stands on, suck him in like a bog.
Trillionaires already exist. They’re just all in Zimbabwe.
Wow, $11 trillion is a lot. Really puts the $36 trillion sitting liquid in offshore tax havens into perspective (yet seems to be missing from every conversation about money.)
The problem is that it is legal (in a gray legal sort of way), and the people in power only lose if they fix it. So we can only talk about it.
Perhaps it’s high time to go beyond talking about it.
Such as?
Let’s see if he can make that number $111 Trillion lost by the end of May 2025.
Oh no, billionaires losing unrealized gains, what a shame
Let’s flip the fuck out about it
Or regular people all losing money they had invested
I have parents who are near retirement who voted for trump. Only my dad works and has to support my mom. This upcoming weekend, I’m gonna ask him how his portfolio is looking. If his vote is paying off.
There’s more people who don’t have investments than there are that do. That includes 401k. Welcome to the poor people’s club.
50% of the country has a 401k and like 40% has an IRA… They are not worth much, that is the point the poor people can’t afford to get more poor, the rich people can. they’ve realized theres nothing else their money can buy so their happy to destroy the world out of boredom. And you cheer them on.
Source that’s not so heavily “invested” in the answer perhaps? I can’t read this ad-ridden garage.
Is it enough to stay that most Americans stocks are the smallest of their saving vehicles? Most people have the bulk of value in their home not their 401k.
Correct. Which makes sense when you consider home prices have gone up alot in the last 20 years, and an unaware investors portfolio is probably being slowly bled off by covering the mortgage of that house every time we go into a recession which is basically on a 2 year cycle now.
So yes you are right, and you are so smart and a very good boi. But you are missing the bigger picture of American wealth distribution. Missing out on how jobs are tied to the market, income is needed for investment and selling investments when you lose your job and they are down 50% just shoots most of the country into poverty.
Surprise its the great depression!
I’m not good and not a boi/boy/guy/whatever, but thanks I guess.
I was more interested in getting to the fact that everyday American don’t rely on the stock market directly. If you are hurting directly in this downturn, you needed to have less volatile investments to begin with. Americans do have some small direct market investments but they are dwarfed compared to their other stores of value and to the quantity of money in the market from non-consumer level individuals.
When you say ‘don’t rely on the stock market directly’ you’re aware of the second and third order effects from a market crash right?
The president just crashed the market harder than Covid for no reason, and you’re telling me i need less volatile investments? What investment would that be out of curiosity?
Even the union worker who doesn’t have a Schwab account has their pension invested in the market.
Not everyone is a union worker. Almost no one has a pension anymore. I don’t know a single person under 45 with either.
Dude how many of the 49% of USA citizens who can’t even handle a 1k USD emergency spend have stocks or options
How many of the 120 million people who have feared for years that they won’t get to enjoy their social security have stocks or options
Because that’s the regular people
Are you even reading yourself
401ks are invested. People losing their retirement funds. I personally don’t have any because I had to use mine up last time I was between jobs for a year, but many innocent people who aren’t rich and voted against Trump are being hurt as well.
Well over 49% of usa Americans make enough to save a thousand dollars . Many are just that bad at managing money. Part of why pensions are important over 401ks.
buddy 401k contributions come out of your paycheck. you can’t equate one with the other. Most people usually check the box to take taxes and contributions out of their paycheck and don’t consider their retirement account emergency savings.
the point your missing is it often is. and it usually equates to to stock market losses. So stock market crashes are when the rich make the poor poorer.
Yet here you poors go cheering on everyones grandma to starve to death. Far left and far right horseshoe death cult assemble.
Millions of people have 401k plans through their employers and have had them for years and are counting on them to live when they retire.
I’m sorry to tell you but everyone is screwed except the billionairs who will just buy everything for pennies on the dollar. What do you think companies will do when their stocks are crashing? They will lay off more people until they inevitably go belly up and then all of those people are out of jobs. Shit is about to get real.
Someones forgetting about 401ks
Putin will be pleased.
…and his other buddy, Xi.
We’re entering Once in a Lifetime Recession #5. Buckle up folks. The feds up shits creek and has been since COVID, so no cash bailouts are coming anytime soon. This should be a fun one!
Turns out a lifetime is only about 20 years.
Try 8. We’re getting closer to “a few weeks” now.
We’re sick of this winning!
so the chainsaw worked!
So much winning!
Are we winning yet?
Nope, but someone believes there’s a plan 🤔
https://unherd.com/2025/02/why-trumps-tariffs-are-a-masterplan/
That’s a lot of words to say Americans should expect a rapid decline in their standards of living so we can drive down the price of our own labor due to people being desperate.
That seemed like rambling wheels within wheels nonsense.
🤡🤡🤡
This dude is convinced Trump has a grand plan and is a master negotiator.
Is America great again yet?
Is this the red wave?
Certainly there’s bleeding
The top 10% wealthiest Americans own over 90% of stocks…
I do feel bad for the people who left their 401k in the market instead of government securities. trump has been saying he’d do this dumb shit since the campaign.
Not exactly sure how one is supposed to transfer one’s 401k to government securities on such a short timescale…
Trump was elected in November. I had every cent moved out of US stocks by mid December. My tax burden is already less than what I would have lost if I kept them money where it was.
There was plenty of time if you were paying attention. If you didn’t move your money, unfortunately, that’s on you.
Edit: SPY puts with 20%. The 40% bonds. 30% forex. 10% cash. But what the fuck do I know. I didn’t make any money and you all know exactly what you’re talking about and I’m full of shit.
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It’s a 401k. I can’t move my money out of it without taking a tax penalty.
Yes there is a tax penalty. as I said in the original comment.
However, that tax is less than the amount lost since December. As I said in the original comment.
I’m not familiar with 401K as I’m not from the US but do you really lose anything when the market dips? Because I don’t think you do unless you start selling at a loss. If you’re not planning on retiring in few years this shouldn’t affect you in any way.
It’s the same as any other non-liquid asset. Sure, you could argue that the value dropping is only a loss if you sell during the dip, but you’re still better off if you can sell before it happens.
I don’t really see how you’re “better off” unless you then go and buy the dip too. If your retirement is decades ahead then simply holding and buying is what will very likely be the best bet on a long term. Historically speaking so far this has been the case. Reacting to short term events is how people lose their savings on the stock market.
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No it is not. Tax rate is ~20-30%. Market has dropped 10% since November. What is this batshit advice?
especially if you are not qualified to retire for 2 more decades
Just move it to stuff that guarantees 40% plus. 2ez. git gud. /s
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Look up the video on investing at market peaks.
So your 401k is just a single fund and that’s it?
That sucks bro
Bro he literally said the tax penalty is less than his loss
L2Read.
But bitcoin is going to…oh.
Oh well, at least gold is… Oh.
GME to the moon!
I don’t understand then, are they just bilking each other?
If the billionaires are buying en masse to profit off this, someone is selling. If billionaires own the majority…they’re…selling to each other and losing?
What if you short the market?
Putting a lot of money into shorts (money you can barrow mind you), is essentially massively selling stocks you don’t have with the promise of buying them back later.
If a lot of rich people do this, it will trigger a panic sell, get the price low, they buy back the “barrows stocks” at cheaper rate and now they have profit and some people have sold, so the stock is lower.
They can now buy more stocks and we’re back to the first step but with the rich having a higher share than before cause of the panic sellers.
A potential explanation is this is the Russian fall of communism / transition to oligarchy moment, where regular people will get rid of the “worthless” stocks fearing no bottom, and the top 1% will buy them for pennies on the dollar.
I wonder if we’ll get another high return iBond this year
At least there’s no genocide in Palestine, right?
Right?
I mean, to be fair, most of the genocide already happened before election day under Biden, but yes, there will definitely be more as long as the AIPAC bribes keep flowing-- and no one is talking about shutting those down. I believe the last person (JFK) to try to deal with this by relisting AIPAC as a foreign agency was assassinated shortly afterward. RFK also tried and he was also killed.
Which is nothing but a coincidence I’m sure, the zionists would never do something like that. And christians in the US are close friends and allies of Israelis, right.
already happened
Watching the ‘genocide Joe’ crowd cope with the fact they supported the turbo genocide candidate will never not be funny to me (In the grim irony kind of way).
I’m not sure why you refuse to hold him and his administration accountable. Genocide Joe is an apt name for someone that chose to give more importance to genocide then he did to representing his voters and this country in general.
They sabotaged their own election so Israel can break child death records. He could have simply told Israel to fuck off. I’d rather blame them then normal people that felt conflicted about genocide of all things.
Holding them accountable is also the only way we get real change.
Holding them accountable is also the only way we get real change
Helping to elect the opponent who even more enthusiastically supports genocide does less than nothing to hold anyone accountable.
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Yeah, god they’re so full of shit.
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Come do it fucko. I think you will find it difficult.
I’m always a bit fascinated that theres so few of us that see it this way. The killings definitely happened, the US definitely helped. Seems pretty factual. And yet the pushback on these facts with the US crowd is extreme and seemingly very emotional for the pro zionist crowd-- which is not in line with what the rest of the world thinks.
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The genocide Joe crowd think the Israel/Palestine war started October 2023. They aren’t very smart.
I mean no disrespect, because we are writing sentences that we never intended to write, but Jesus Christ, “most of the genocide already happened (…) under Biden”. It’s utterly depressing. I’m really disappointed that American citizens worked very hard for this to happen, but it feels also like a consequence of something bigger, as if there was a bipartisan dictatorship or something even deeper, in which parties are just knights or bishops.
Israeli secret service soft-couping the US by straight up killing any official that does not match their views?
So… “to be fair” what you’re claiming, is that there’s little genocide left for Trump to commit, and then- a bunch of conspiracy theories.
It’s a damn good thing you people argue so diligently on the side of reality. It really helps drive that batshit insane ideology of yours home.
So… “to be fair” what you’re claiming, is that there’s little genocide left for Trump to commit
Thats a good demonstration of strawmanning. Putting up a contrived BS argument then knocking it down. Come on, can’t you do better than that?
Thats just lazy.I’m not the one that said it. The onus is on you to state your point in a way that makes sense. And what you said, is that:
“most of the genocide already happened before election day under Biden.”
If you want to make a straw man by accusing me of making a straw man, be my guest. But that won’t change the original argument, nor will it change the fact that it seems others agree with me on this.
I literally quoted you, and you did not quote me. So now you’re just lying. Time for a username block.
Literal quote….
“I mean, most of the genocide already happened before election day under Biden.”
- you literally said this. But if it helps to use a more direct and unequivocal approach:
If you are confused by what you’re seeing, that is a screenshot of your actual words.
And- blocked or not, I think this needed to be said so that anyone unfortunate enough to have to interact with you, might come across this conversion in an attempt to make sense of… you,
…and it helps illustrate to them exactly what they’re dealing with.
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Trump could open the doors of hell and it would still be no excuse for having voted for evil.
Do you view “evil” as a binary value or a numerical value that can be counted?
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What
Seethe, troll.
Trump is golfing while a man he admits is innocent is in an El Salvador prison
