Summary
At a Lafayette, Indiana anti-Trump rally Saturday, a man pulled an assault-style rifle after clashing with protesters who blocked his truck at a Third Street intersection.
Video shows the man in a MAGA hat yelling at protesters, prompting another man—angered by the confrontation with women—to intervene.
The two exchanged shouts before the protester headbutted the man. He returned to his truck, retrieved a rifle, and reentered the crowd.
Police detained but released him, citing self-defense. The “Hands Off!” rally drew nearly 1,000 people and ended early amid safety concerns.
ACAB.
It shocks me every time again, seeing how casually people carry guns in the US
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Texas?
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Texas still has license to carry, with distinctions for where/when you can open/concealed carry… but that was from 2016/2017. The gentry probably isn’t talking about texas.
It’s for self defense. It says so right there in the article!
So Indiana is a “stand your ground” state. That generally removes any duty to retreat. I’d be curious how they rule when he clearly retreated to his vehicle already, and only then retrieved a weapon, brandished it, and reentered a crowd. If they allow self defense, how far is someone allowed to retreat in order to retrieve a weapon and re-engage? Can I go all the way back to my house and get a gun to defend myself?
Of course this will only be litigated if the public can pressure the prosecutor to press charges. If not it’ll be easy for the cops to disproportionately apply that defense to like minded miscreants.
It removes your duty to retreat if you are in a life-threatening situation, whether on private or public property. It essentially extends the castle doctrine to include your personal space at all times.
If after being headbutted, he pulled a CCW, or even had the AR on his person, I think he could make a reasonable claim of self defense. If the protestor followed him back to his truck, he could make a claim of self defense, but if you have the time and security to go back to your truck, get your gun, and the return to confront someone, I think you’ve gone outside the realm of being in a life-threatening situation, and therefore self-defense no longer applies.
And I’d agree with that. But if it’s not settled in court, cops are allowed to pick and choose how they apply that.
Protestors should bear arms. Soon enough, the Rittenhouses of the right will need to be put down when they behave like rabid DOGEs.
Conservatives escalate, and must be met in kind when they do so.
That would require forward thinking. Protestors don’t do that. Not on the left. The guy that head butt this guy didn’t think beyond that moment.
hey, new guy. Searg said you bring him donuts ASAP. also while you go there stop by the other department and tell the guys there that boss wants to entrap even more mentally ill muslims into trying to join ISIS this month.
Protestors should bear arms.
I do. Concealed, for the moment, because my liberal NYS made it illegal to keep and bear arms while exercising your first amendment right.
And, I’m of the wrong political persuasion to test that law.
I mean lots of people open carry. Hopefully we don’t get to this point, but if someone threatens someone else with firearm, lots of localities justify lethal force at that point (one must always assume a firearm is loaded)
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Mangione is so last week buddy. We’ve moved on. He’s old news
No, he didn’t. We were having breakfast that morning, when it’s alleged he killed a mass murderer.
And right after that, he was with me playing video games and chilling. We played some classic games that he was too young to enjoy first game. He enjoyed it. I then made him a nice spaghetti lunch.
He was defending the entire country
He wasn’t. Because he didn’t kill that CEO. My man’s innocent.
Whoever did happen to off that CEO certainly did everyone a favor tho
as far as i am concerned Thompson’s body just did that weird bullet thing 3 times in a row. Seems to be a latent condition in most billionaires.
Tonight at 11: Is being rich bad for your health? 99% of the population seem to think so, and it’s not why you think!
Pre-existing condition, I’m thinking.
The body has a way of shutting down illegitimate bullets.
He died of acute lead poisoning. He was born in a leaded house with leaded gasoline on the farm. The bullets didn’t do anything.
What an actual POS, but do we really expect anything else from a Trump supporter. Clear as day he should not have been released citing any self-defence. Anyone who argues against this fact shows they should not even own a gun. US is going US though, not even dead kids can separate them from their guns.
Self defense would be a headbutt back or fists, not the AmRepublican-14.
there’s video, no one was doing anything to him. he got out of his SUV, started yelling at people, returned to the vehicle, got back out with the weapon at his side. self defense would have been (a) for literally anyone to have threatened him and (b) for him to simply leave the scene.
Since you didn’t link the video, here it is on reddit.
I can see the headbutt, it’s at second 12.
Still an insane overreaction of course, but the truth is important.
oh geez, thanks for the correction there
Can someone share a mirror?
Found it on Twitter… but I guess that doesn’t help.
Maybe it’s easier to download, but I haven’t tried from either site before. I’ll drop the link in case anybody wants to try.
at least I can watch twitter without an account, so it does help, thanks.
It is Indiana. Basically wild west style gun laws. You buy the gun, its yours … done. No permit, no concealed carry, nothing. You bought the gun, take it where you want. Pretty much anywhere. If people are yelling at you on the street then Indiana’s stand your ground style law basically kicks in. The state is very much “fuck around and find out”.
How does going back to your vehicle and retrieving a n assault rifle count as self defense? That’s premeditated at that point if he were to use it.
The difference between this, and any other mass shooting is just whether this guy decided to pull the trigger, which he obviously wanted too.
I wouldn’t say premeditated as it was in the heat of the moment, but intentional as hell and not self defense at all
Premeditated has a specific legal definition. He went back to his truck and came back with a gun. I would find it a hard sell to say that wasn’t premeditated if I was on a jury.
What matters is he should be held accountable. I think we agree on that
I think premeditated in the legal sense means planned. So they would probably have to prove he intentionally went to the protest vs happened to be going that way. And they would probably have to prove he doesn’t drive around with that weapon all the time. But I am not a lawyer.
They just have to prove that he intentionally went back to his vehicle and then intentionally left it again to confront the people with the firearm.
If he’d run back to his vehicle and then tried to leave the area while waving his gun, that wouldn’t be premeditated.
But that’s not what he did. He intentionally escalated the situation while not being threatened.
While I was inclined to disagree, this legal thingy seems to support that. https://govt.westlaw.com/wciji/Document/Iefa67921e10d11daade1ae871d9b2cbe?originationContext=document&transitionType=StatuteNavigator&needToInjectTerms=False&viewType=FullText&contextData=(sc.Default)
He drove there with an assault rifle.
While I get what you’re implying, if he can legally carry it, that means nothing. Going to get it and returning, that’s the real issue
He will shoot next time. Like a not so smart missile they just aimed him at decent human beings.
Never forget: AC AB
Can we use an animal where that’s actually true? Crabs are very much intersexual, which isn’t quite the same thing as bisexual.
Sure; which animal starts with a “c” that fits?
You can put them next to each other. We’re not on Reddit
Self-defense requires there to be an ongoing threat to your or someone else’s immediate safety. If he was able to leave the altercation, head to his truck to retrieve his rifle, and then return to the situation that’s not self-defense, its premeditation.
Stand your ground laws have completely wrecked the premise surrounding threats and threat avoidance. Now it’s people being assholes and escalating the assholery until someone gets pissed and throws a punch and then the shooting starts. Doesn’t matter if it’s road rage or fighting over a parking space. No consideration that anyone involved could have walked away at any point before things got bad.
The duty to retreat and use a firearm as a last resort is dying a quick death in most red states. Even in NY where shooting someone in self defense was often a trip straight to jail now ends up with people not being charged.
Basically, you need to Han Solo the thing most times these days. Shoot first and you’re not guilty.
He’s probably white and identifies as CIS male. In today’s reality, that qualifies as self-defense to police.
always has
It’s self defense, because the cops are on the same side as the guy…
Same reason you never see Miley Cyrus and Hanna Montana in the same room at the same time.
I fucking love you guys. Like your head in a book being like awksuelly…
Reality is that guy could have killed that protestor and charges would be dropped. If not, trump would pardon him. There are no consequences
Stop trying to be correct. Just fucking win for a change. Being correct is not a win in today’s world. Way too many people that are wrong who keep winning.
I bet if someone drew a concealed pistol on him after he pulled out his rifle the cops would NOT consider it self defense.
ACAB.
If the game is about driving around with a gun, provoking people into hitting you, and then going back and getting your gun to kill them, it would be very easy to go around deleting Trump supporters. You know, if not for the police / government being on their side.
That dude could’ve stayed in his truck and waited for people to walk by. Instead he ended up bloody and teary-eyed. And he’s the one with the fucking assault rifle.
Bullies aren’t used to people hitting back. They’re so scared of losing face they’d rather carry a gun and possibly kill someone to prove what a badass they are.
Wonder if the boots taste different in Indiana…
the boot type is also accurate, this is well done
Less like cow leather. More like cow shit.
