It is probably due to a number of people stopping using their alts after some instance hopping.
Also a few people who came to see how it was, and weren’t attracted enough to become regular visitors.
Curious to see at which number we’ll stabilize.
Next peak will probably happen after either major features release (e.g. exhaustive mod tools allowing reluctant communities to move from Reddit) or the next Reddit fuck up (e.g. removing old.reddit)
Stats on each server: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list
Pretty sure it’s going to just be like 12 of us. If the third party app thing on reddit didn’t drive users here, unfortunately I don’t think anything else will. At this point if you are already content with the reddit app it’s going to be a hard sell to say, yeah come check out Lemmy, it’s like reddit but if you have a question about your sick betta fish instead of getting a helpful answer in a few minutes, you need to first create a betta fish community, then go back on reddit and recruit users to your Lemmy community. Post content on it daily to maintain interest, and then, if you are really lucky, ask your question and wait a few months and maybe if your fish is still alive (doubtful), you might get a response, but it will probably be just be an anticapitalist shit-post. I’m sorry to say it is this way, but this be the way that it is.
12 of us
I’m fine with 12 of us if everyone is active.
Hopefully by then we’ll have a few active communities and not hundreds of ghost towns like now
Bruh. I’m in group chats with people I know IRL with more than 12 people.
Bring them here!
Summed up my feelings too. Reddit’s larger communities were trash, but for really specific questions, it was unbeatable. Not to mention the fact that most Lemmy pages are either tech-related or tankie propaganda. There’s very little in the way of active hobby/lifestyle boards so unless you’re in either a nerd (non-derogatory) or a communist (derogatory), Lemmy’s not got much going on for you
There’s very little in the way of active hobby/lifestyle boards so unless you’re in either a nerd (non-derogatory) or a communist (derogatory), Lemmy’s not got much going on for you
So true.
I have been trying to revive [email protected] , [email protected] , even [email protected] but it feels a lot like shouting into the abyss.
There’s a bunch of really niche subs I used to be on. Finding info on some of my old cars has been a bitch since I cut out reddit but it’s taught me a lot about self-reliance haha
Pretty sure it’s going to just be like 12 of us
Hexbear has been very active for 3 years before we even federated. There’s plenty of room for growth. We’re not going to become reddit (and that’s a good thing) but acting like it’s just going to die (or is already dead) is just ridiculous
Hexbear has become a cesspool. Not exactly a great example to aspire to. I actually wish we would become very much like Reddit used to be back in the day. I very much enjoyed that experience and want it back. I’m sure plenty of others do to. Im just disappointed that it seems much more likely that Lemmy fizzles than soars. I can’t emphasize enough how big and bad a deal the stripping of third party API access to reddit data is. I wish more people felt more strongly about this beyond posting pictures of John Oliver. Not sure if you are old enough to remember when high quality RSS feeds were a thing, but this direct access to data that users could custom curate was amazing. When you take control of how users consent data, you start to take control of the users. Lemmy has immense potential and at face value people are largely fed up with being manipulated and taken advantage of by internet giants, but most are clearly not fed up enough to leave their comfort zone. Spez and the others are well aware of this and happy to take advantage. It takes a ton of effort to keep something like Lemmy afloat. Just like a new restaurant, if after a few months it’s not taking off, it’s pretty unlikely to do so with more time. I hope I’m wrong, but the Spez nonsense was a huge gift to growing Lemmy, and in the grand scheme of things the effect was quite small.
I actually wish we would become very much like Reddit
I wish more people felt more strongly about this beyond posting pictures of John Oliver
that’s liberals for you
Hexbear is the new world and you’re stuck in the old
Now is the time of posters.
I actually wish we would become very much like Reddit used to be back in the day.
A libertarian infested hell site that was most well known for just being 4chan lite and actively harbouring pedo communities?
You did the thing and riled them up.
We are active!! This post is about lemmy activity and you’d rather not see activity here?
rent free
Nah more like accidentally stepping in shit in the street, but you do you.
Taiwan #1
i mean, yeah. if you insult someone, they’ll typically defend themselves
You think collectively antagonizing, using “libs” in a derogatory form and calling others “imperialist running dogs” constitutes as defense and not toxic behavior?
Calling out imperialist running dogs isn’t toxic. Just like being aggressively anti-racist isn’t toxic. If a person upholds capitalism, which is by nature exploitive and anti-egalitarian, they are toxic and deserving of rebuke.
So as long as they don’t ideologically agree with you it’s acceptable to be toxic towards them, because their “wrong ideology” makes them toxic?
Are you also aware that most of the proletariats unknowingly uphold capitalism? Considering you say they’re toxic are you against the proletariat or are you a fake socialist trying to create a class divide, the ones who agree with you and the ones who don’t, within the proletariat?
“insult” sure.
He effectively called a porcupine spikey.
What’s funny about hexbear is the users reflexively rise to the fight every single time, they can’t just scroll past.
Taiwan #1
yes, it’s on purpose - we actively discourage lurking and encourage engaging with bad takes. the more you complain about it, the harder we go at it.
“bad take” really depends what side of the echo chamber you are on.
Y’all respond to criticism like kim jong un is standing right behind you lol
Also we aren’t in hexbear right now
you’re saying calling something a “cesspool” isn’t insulting?
“insult” sure.
He effectively called a porcupine spikey.
Wonder how the porcupine got its spikes . . . Must be its authoritarian personality!
It’s less of a cesspool than every other lemmy instance I’ve visited which is filled with Reddit-tier libs
Hexbear has become a cesspool
Hexbear is an aggressively inclusive space full of thoughtful people who are passionate about making the world a better place and educating their fellow man. If every online space were more like hexbear we’d all be much better off
I actually wish we would become very much like Reddit used to be back in the day. I very much enjoyed that experience and want it back. I’m sure plenty of others do to
Oh yeah back in the good old days of /r/jailbait and /r/creepshots and /r/sexwithdogs
how come everything I hear about hexbear sounds like 4chan though? Like there even seems to be mimic of the 4chan lgbt board mentality coming from hexbear users.
Lol… so inclusive wanting to bring down America, listing out a bunch of people you’d love to get rid of (anyone you consider bourgeoise), unyielding fanboying of China…
I think the overall Lemmy experience has gone downhill since hexbear federated. I also think seeing the propaganda posts constantly hitting the All feed will drive people away. Are there even any non-political hexbear communities? All I ever see are anti-is and pro-China posts.
I still can’t wrap my head around being so pro-trans rights (a fabulous thing), yet in the same breath simping for China. Not the most stellar LGBTQIA+ record there.
so inclusive wanting to bring down America
Paradox of tolerance, babyyy
I still can’t wrap my head around being so pro-trans rights (a fabulous thing), yet in the same breath simping for China.
Cuba supports both
think the overall Lemmy experience has gone downhill since hexbear federated.
I still can’t wrap my head around being so pro-trans rights (a fabulous thing), yet in the same breath simping for China. Not the most stellar LGBTQIA+ record there.
Yeah, it reminds me of the behavior found on 4chan. A lot of the things I’ve heard about hexbear - someone made a mega post about their userbase and how it’s filled with trolls, just lines right up with 4chan type mentality and pushing contrarian ideologies that are meant to put people in an uproar - like ragebaiting.
And then all hear from hexbear users is this creepy rhetoric about how they’re free thinker with ideas or some shit. Sounds like what Jehovah Witnesses say to get people to join their cult.
Everything is political. We have comms that we don’t consider political, but you would still consider them political because you would rather they cater to your politics rather than ours. We have [email protected] for example, but because it’s not a liberal comm you would consider it political.
I still can’t wrap my head around being so pro-trans rights (a fabulous thing), yet in the same breath simping for China
You’re literally professing your support for trans rights and simping for the US in one comment so you must be mega confused
We have comms that we don’t consider political, but you would still consider them political because you would rather they cater to your politics rather than ours. We have [email protected] for example, but because it’s not a liberal comm you would consider it political
This sounds like treating politics like religion. No thanks.
If you can’t wrap your head around being trans and supporting China you need to stop consuming MSM and examine your assumptions.
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I live in the US and it’s pretty bad for LGBT people here. I don’t feel the need to cheerlead US interventions because they have a coat of rainbow paint.
Good for you! They cloak not only in that, but in Human Rights and Democracy. Yeah, right, sure Sleepy Joe. :-) My gay daughter hates Putin and loves the war because Russia doesn’t accept homesexualtiy. I think that’s a very poor reason to go to war, especially when the raesons stated aren’t true. It’s colonialism all over again. Russia has all the raw materials and rare earth metals that the west covets.
> I live in the US and it’ pretty bad for LGBT people here. I don’t feel the need to cheerlead US interventions because they have a coat of rainbow paint.
so inclusive wanting to bring down America
Yes. America is the pre-eminent fascist violence force on Earth and must be brought down for the good of humanity
Not having America around to keep Russia and China in check sounds great for humanity 👍
Imperialist running dog.
“What if they invaded, pillaged, and coup’d the countries WE were going to invade, pillage, and coup! Can you imagine the tragedy?! Better that us, The Good Guys, exploit these countries than The Bad Guys!”
Damn you really kept them in check when you bombed Iraq back to the stone age
You also really kept China in check when you moved your entire industrial capacity there
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I still can’t wrap my head around being so pro-trans rights (a fabulous thing), yet in the same breath simping for the USA. Not the most stellar LGBTQIA+ record there.
so inclusive wanting to bring down America
boo-hoo
Amerikkkan crakkkers seething
Nah Hexbear fucks actually
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Long time hexbear user, I’ve actually had pretty good luck getting input on non-political questions. No sick fish, but I’ve asked quite a variety of questions and gotten help. Maybe I would have gotten a higher quality answer on Reddit, but my experience with modern reddit (last 6ish years) has been hit or miss. Reminds me in a way of the forums I used back in the really 2000s. Even though the forums I was on were primarily oriented around tabletop gaming, the “general/off-topic” sections would have quite a variety of people and interests. And those people, since they all had a common interest, were far more talkative and generous with their time than what I’ve experienced in Reddit. IMO this makes up for the smaller population. Hexbear has that vibe for me, just with a non-sectarian socialist shitposting focus. Which works for me.
Well, i am here directly due to reddit policy changes. The loss of a viable mobile option forced me here. I can’t believe I am not an average case. I am enjoying this experience so far and will definitely spread the word. But i will continue to use reddit on the computer… I am surprised that there are only 60,000 of us here though.
Quick! Everyone go open 2 more accounts! We can fix this!
Tankies and American democrats are scaring away the hoes. Source: I’m a hoe that has barely been coming here lately. There’s not enough people here for niche communities to thrive, and the front page has been getting worse and worse. Today I saw this post on the front page, pretty close to the top.
I’d like to be clear that I don’t care who americans voted for 7 years ago, but that’s not why I don’t think I should be seeing this. It’s just, sheesh man. THIS is what the community wants and thinks is important in 2023? I’m trying to find a niche amongst THIS?
It’s very similar to my problem with Gemini and every other “alt tech” platform I’ve tried to join. Worst case scenario it becomes a sewer for everyone who got banned from other sites for political extremism. Best case scenario, you end up with nothing but the demographic of upper class americans who do nothing but sit on their computers all day, which is not my scene either.
I’m starting to wonder if I should just leave the internet altogether.
When they remove old.reddit it’s over for me - there is no browser I’ve tried that new.reddit hasn’t managed to crash within a few minutes of using it.
But I’ll stay on old.reddit for as long as possible… there are just too many nazis and fascists waiting in the wings to hijack the communities I’ve put a lot effort into. It’s better to just milk them for as long as possible.
I host my own lemmy instance. Is there a way to get comments from other instances to show up?
I was able to subscribe to lemmy.world communities, but when articles show up it only shows comments from my instance (none)
undo the maximalist==better preconception.
(**not directed at op or NE1)
less users has pros and cons (imo).Too many agro tankies
And at the beginning everyone was worried about “Eternal September”. It’s only been two months.
People will come in waves, instances and communities will grow and die, just like how it was on reddit, we’ll probably start seeing meme/politics free or even more specialized instances soon. But all of this is going to take time.
The turning point will be when companies/websites start spinning up their own Lemmy instances as their official one to replace their forums, which I think will happen.
So, being on Lemmy is a long term investment for me.
Same for me, good to still see you around
Hopefully this works out, gotta get that first mover advantage in, then Lemmy’s only real celebrity will be recognized as the marketing genius that she is. :)
I like Lemmy better when it’s when it’s nicer and quieter a month ago honestly.
Ha ha :)
Same feeling here, browsing All now is cumbersome due to the low quality of the average content dropping
Yeah, so that’s why I’m expecting way more alt hopping and defederations and people splitting into smaller groups soon until everything finally settles.
One of advantage of the fediverse honestly that it prevents powertripping mods, since it’s so easy to move to another community on the same topic on a different instance with different admins and mods, and while a person can be banned off a particular comm or instance, they can’t be banned from Lemmy as a whole, so reputation matters a lot more right now when everybody kinda knows each other here.
Are you the actual Margot Robbie? Seen your profile before, but just assumed it was someone who liked them and was capitalizing on the movie.
Well, the movie promotion ended early due to the strike, so I’m just shitposting and having fun here now.
It’s good to keep plausibile deniability. I don’t want to get bad PR in case things don’t work out.
No one will ever believe you anyways.
No one will ever believe you anyways.
oh I see we’re ripping off Bill Murray now.
No, they’re the mod of an android comm on here so obviously not her. I think the roleplayers from back in the LiveJournal days are showing up here cause you can still grab newish usernames to impersonate someone.
If Margot Robbie were to be here, we would have 50x more people around
And have the paparazzi scrutinize me over every single dumb comment I ever post here? No thanks.
If I wanted that, I would have just got a Twitter with a blue checkmark, and I really don’t like Twitter.
Yeah, lemmy seems like a great alternative to discourse.
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How is Lemmy not a forum?
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What exactly does it do worse than one of those?
Id say finding the latest comment is harder here. Sure, its not that hard when looking post replies. But comment replies? They can be nested, pretty much buried behind the “See more replies” button.
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/2043
here’s an issue tracker for that, I don’t think it’s really something that fundamentally makes it worse than a forum, honestly.
Oh i wouldnt say its worse at all. I prefer nested replies all the way. Regardless, i still wouldnt say lemmy fits the forum format, again due to the way you access the most recent replies.
In a forum thread, you go to the last page and youve found the latest comment. In a Lemmy post, even if the nested comments arent hidden, its not obvious at first glance which one is the latest comment.
Also, if you “bookmark” a forum thread, youll get notified of any new replies in said thread. On Lemmy, you can check the latest comments from an entire instance or community. But not for a specific post.
Again, id never phrase lemmys format as worse, for i greatly prefer it. But i wouldnt consider it a forum. It simply displays the information diferently
Regardless of where the loss in users is coming from the major takeaway here is that we are firmly in a reinvestment phase. This will likely last until Reddit does something stupid related to the IPO but in the absence of that we will probably not see a significant uptick in growth again without major improvements to the threadiverse as a whole. That means that those of us who are personally invested in the growth of the threadiverse should be taking this time to develop the tools and features necessary to weather the next wave more gracefully than the last.
One of the biggest issue I see here is still community growth. Growing certain communities is significantly harder than others and if you don’t have a lot of crossposting potential it can be damn near impossible. As it stands, I do not see a way to fix this situation without a hot and active ranking system that takes into account the number of users active in the particular community. As part of a change like this I think we would be best served by consolidating a significant portion of the small dead communities. I think we should also strongly prefer specialized instances like lemmy.film or literature.cafe to truly take advantage of the special attention these sorts of instances are capable of providing particular topics. As it stands only a handful of them have enough broader threadiverse activity to be truly useful.
Another thing I would like to suggest is a change in recruitment strategy. At this point it seems like we are unlikely to pull a significant amount of users from Reddit without more reddit-policy-driven migration, but there are tons of highly educated and engaged users over on Mastodon that would make serious positive contributions to the tone and quality of the discourse over here. For some reason there seems to be minimal overlap between the two communities and that blows my mind. Not only that but I actively see folks disparaging Mastodon in fediverse related communities on a regular basis (and even sometimes in the Mastodon communities themselves). As far as I can tell, these are largely lingering sentiments from a Reddit/Twitter dichotomy. Remember, as things develop the lines between threaded social media and microblogging are likely to blur. A significant number of Mastodon apps already provide a threaded view and one of kbins explicit goals is very much to bridge the gap. With this in mind, Mastodon (and federated microblogging more generally) seems like the best source for new potential users.
The standard web UI also needs major improvements. Nobody logs in through an app for their first time and first impressions are critical. It needs to be easier to navigate and use without downloading an app so people will stick around long enough to get involved and have a good time.
Yeah I am a software dev and was even confused for a bit. Reddit has /r/all and things that make it easier to find subreddits, I still struggle with lemmy sometimes. Sync made it a bit easier, but I wish I could seamlessly browse all instances and their comments under 1 profile
I actually think the web ui is fine but we all have our own blindspots. How do you feel about Alexandrite and Photon? I had good initial impressions of Alexandrite but some minor issues with Photon. Instances could just make those defaults.
What issues did you notice in Photon?
Oh man this is what I get for running my mouth. I’m not sure if my issues are reproducible or if I can even remember well enough to go about trying to reproduce them. I know that’s not very useful and I apologize. I will say that I think a sans serif font option would be nice to have.
It uses your system font.
That’s probably just broken on my system then because it is definitely not using my system font. I’m on a chromebook if that’s useful at all.
Is it fixed on phtn.app? I pushed an update that hopefully fixes this. It uses system-ui so hopefully it isn’t broken
Another thing I would like to suggest is a change in recruitment strategy. At this point it seems like we are unlikely to pull a significant amount of users from Reddit without more reddit-policy-driven migration, but there are tons of highly educated and engaged users over on Mastodon that would make serious positive contributions to the tone and quality of the discourse over here. For some reason there seems to be minimal overlap between the two communities and that blows my mind. Not only that but I actively see folks disparaging Mastodon in fediverse related communities on a regular basis (and even sometimes in the Mastodon communities themselves). As far as I can tell, these are largely lingering sentiments from a Reddit/Twitter dichotomy. Remember, as things develop the lines between threaded social media and microblogging are likely to blur. A significant number of Mastodon apps already provide a threaded view and one of kbins explicit goals is very much to bridge the gap. With this in mind, Mastodon (and federated microblogging more generally) seems like the best source for new potential users.
A thing to look out for is that the microblog fedi (outside the big handful of instances that fill .world’s role there) is strongly in favor of stricter instance-level moderation compared to the more “individualistic” view a lot of the Reddit migratees tend to have. If we want people from the microblog fedi to participate we (collectively) need to up our moderation game. (And in my personal opinion instances like .world have grown too large to accomodate any reasonable expectation of moderation, except for select individual communities set up there)
stricter instance-level moderation compared to the more “individualistic” view
I definitely think letting users block posts and/or comments from specific instances is way better than full defederation (maybe the instance admin could set a default block list for new users)
but now I’m thinking maybe communities should be able to block instances too
found a feature request for it https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3022
If we want people from the microblog fedi to participate we (collectively) need to up our moderation game. (And in my personal opinion instances like .world have grown too large to accomodate any reasonable expectation of moderation, except for select individual communities set up there)
Improved moderation tools would help, however are you familiar with the filtering/muting tools available on Mastodon/Firefish/Misskey? These, coupled with an ability by individual users to block entire instances, help relieve some of the need for more moderators to help by enabling individuals to essentially self-moderate/curate their experiences as desired.
I think both improved moderation and individual filtering/muting tools would help greatly both to encourage microblog folks to join in, and make the experience better for those already here.
This is a good point. Maybe indicates that recruiting to instances like beehaw.org would be more effective. Once they’re here though I think that is exactly the sort of community that would be likely to take on moderator positions.
I think we should also strongly prefer specialized instances like lemmy.film or literature.cafe to truly take advantage of the special attention these sorts of instances are capable of providing particular topics.
Definitely
The small comms I’m subscribed to don’t show up in any sorting, I have to actually visit them to see there was a new post. I heard the devs are doing something to improve it, so hopefully that’ll make small comms more viable
e.g. removing old.reddit
Shit, are they planning this?
I’m loving it here but yeah hope there’s a bit more engagement. I think the main thing people need to focus on is building up the more common communities. From there we can slowly branch out as more people join. If we spread out too thin we’re just going to get graveyard communities.
As we grow we can focus on expanding and getting more of those niche communities going .
At the very least it’s less engaging than reddit. Makes it easier to scroll less frequently and focus on other more important things.
commenting to show I’m still active lmao
I can tell you the drop in active Lemmy users was NOT from hexbear and lemmy.grad. Those trolls are worse than the_donald was on the other platform.
There are many fatal problems on Lemmy, worst of all is you can’t click this link /c/books and see every /c/book on every Lemmy instance of the fediverse. This is out of convenience to moderators and it is killing Lemmy. One people figure out communities only exist on a single instance, the promise of federation is broken and they fuck off.
