It is probably due to a number of people stopping using their alts after some instance hopping.
Also a few people who came to see how it was, and weren’t attracted enough to become regular visitors.
Curious to see at which number we’ll stabilize.
Next peak will probably happen after either major features release (e.g. exhaustive mod tools allowing reluctant communities to move from Reddit) or the next Reddit fuck up (e.g. removing old.reddit)
Stats on each server: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list
Password reset is broken. I can’t get back into any of my accounts as a so I have to either lurk, or make a new one every time.
Soon enough this one will die, and Lemmy will lose yet another “another active user”.
Like really. Who cares about numbers going up and down. You have a nice little community here. Cherish it. Because more people rarely makes things better.
undo the maximalist==better preconception.
(**not directed at op or NE1)
less users has pros and cons (imo).Are they getting rid of old.reddit???
That’s the only thing that makes the site readable. Damn.
“e.g.” is short for “exempli gratia”, which is latin for “for example”.
It hasn’t been announced that they’re getting rid of it, but it’s a good example of what Reddit could do to fuck up.
I never actually looked this up before. I think in my head I’ve been reading it as being short for “eggsample” this whole time
I thought “example given”
A much more reasonable assumption to make
They haven’t said they will, but they might some day.
Maybe it’s because the content here just isn’t as vast. I’m nkt going back to reddit for awhile, but there’s so little to see on lemmy to me. Despite numerous subscriptions, I see very few memes and far too much political content. Of that political content it’s all the same. Sometimes this place feels like a hive-mind. Not that Reddit wasn’t, but it depended on the sub. Now it’s shaped by instance and everything here just feels stale
Every time I peek into reddit, it’s just a dumpster fire of toxic comments screaming at each other with strawman arguments and reeing that videos are fake. It’s exhausting.
I see very few memes and far too much political content. Of that political content it’s all the same.
That’s funny because the meme subs still far outpace posting from politics subs for me, and I mostly see memes.
In fact, a few weeks ago, there were lots of complaints in meme comments of how the only thing they saw on the site was memes.
Political memes are so stale these days.
Maybe I need to be on ml then. I feel like world is just full of the same.
Try out Kbin, as well. Personally I have none of the usual Lemmy complaints
Are there any decent iOS apps for kbin yet? I almost never browse these sites on desktop (hence why I have completely left Reddit since Apollo died).
Currently using Memmy on iOS which is great.
Kbin doesn’t have an api yet, so apps aren’t supported (there are some in the works though for when the api goes public). In the meantime, you can install the pwa through a browser.
The PWA is very decent for a basic browsing experience. There are a few in the works, most notable being Artemis which is now in public beta I think. It uses the new Kbin API which is also in beta.
For now, the app can only be used with the artemis.camp instance, but soon Kbin.social and the rest Kbin instances will use the API and be usable with the app as well. It is inspired by Apollo btw
Thanks for the info. I’ll have to check it out!
I quite like beehaw and their communities, and yeah, you’re missing out on those if you’re on world, from what I understand. (Fairly sure they’re still defederated.)
I personally like lemmy.ml, but I know it’s not for everyone, and the admins would prefer to keep it a smaller instance, I think. I’m only here because there weren’t as many federated servers three years ago when I made an account.
You also might check out [email protected], they flood my feed with good memes.
Hexbear was never federated with world and Im not sure lemmygrad was either, and as I recall they defederated from explodingheads.
I blocked 196 because it was just shitty memes being spammed
196 is amazing
Just gotta follow The Rule
Kbin is a nice alternative. Content cycles out of Hot a lot faster on here.
You also get microblogging support on here, so you have access to the Mastodon side of the fediverse as well without having to copy and paste links.
Memes may be thriving but niche interest communities can’t even get off the ground.
So just like reddit 14 years ago when I first left Digg for greener pastures. When I joined, it was years before my local city subreddit sprang to life, and for years, it had around 1000 active accounts and only now has over 10k accounts.
Man, if the people on reddit back in the day had sat around complaining about lack of content like this, the site would have died. Instead they started making fucking content.
It takes time for communities to grow, and it feels like a lot of the folks who left reddit only ever knew reddit as a ready-made-community filled with thousands of people already. As in, they were latecomers and missed all the slow growth.
Well, considering we are in a post about the userbase shrinking maybe the situation is not quite the same.
I also don’t have that kind of time and energy to get a whole community running just for the kicks anymore, and I definitely do not appreciate to have the deficiencies of this place thrown on my face as if that’s my responsibility. It’s not exactly welcoming or motivating.
Well, considering we are in a post about the userbase shrinking maybe the situation is not quite the same.
Reddit admins literally ran bot accounts to fill content on reddit and make it seem more active at first. The users who came from Digg had similar complaints, and reddit userbase fluctuated at lot in the first few years. It’s actually exactly the same (minus the admins using bots to make it seem more active).
I also don’t have that kind of time and energy to get a whole community running just for the kicks anymore
No one is asking you, specifically, to do it.
Maybe we should ask spez to come over and help generate engagement :P
Eh, remains to be seen. The pacing of the internet today is very different.
No one is asking you, specifically, to do it.
Then don’t get on my case for not liking the lack of content, geez!
Sorry, I just think it’s a dumb, entitled complaint. I’m not asking you to do anything other than stop whinging.
Even the memes are pretty stale, definitely not dank. Many of these memes are reposts of stuff I saw years ago on Reddit.
I see very few memes and far too much political content.
This is what is turning me off from lemmy, worst of it I see a lot of shitty political memes, it wasn’t this bad at the beginning of the reddit exodus.
And then there isn’t seem to be a neutral instance, I was in world and then they banned the piracy community, I moved to lemm.ee and all I see is stupid hexbear posts, I appreciate that they don’t defederate willy nilly but Lemmy urgently needs the block instance feature from user level.
In the meantime there are some apps that “block” instances. Connect has it, but it doesn’t fully block the instance, more like it shows up in the feed with a content warning that the message is from a blocked instance and you can choose to view it if you want. I also do think lemm.ee will defederate from hexbear pretty soon. The admin has had personally horrendous experiences with their users and that meta thread about it was a dumpster fire of hexbear users making unrelated political comments and blocking the actual instance users from having a discussion. It got locked at almost 2000 comments so I’m sure he’s still digging through that toxic waste to make his decision.
I see very few memes and far too much political content
Where are you even looking? My timeline is flooded with memes all the damn time. They’re practically drowning out any posts of value at this point.
You should block the meme communities if you dislike it, keep the communities with contributions you like.
Not that Reddit wasn’t, but it depended on the sub. Now it’s shaped by instance and everything here just feels stale
Been saying this for months. No one seems to understand what made reddit grow, and it is ironically very much like /r/place when you get down to it:
Reddit was a singular canvas that all users worked on together. Posts, comments, and voting shaped the site as a whole. The front page of Reddit was the result of it’s userbase, and it’s userbase was diverse. Because Reddit forced all users, of all backgrounds and ideologies, to exist together in the same space, and work on the same canvas, it created something living and varied.
You may not have ever gotten along with people from a certain subreddit in th comments, but I promise, the two of you worked together at one point to get a post to the front page or a comment to the top, and you didn’t even know it. Thos little moments where diametrically opposed people shared a liking of something by how they voted. On the surface, everyone bickered. Under the hood, they were all unknowingly agreeing and cooperating all the time, and that was what powered reddit’s engine: it’s diverse userbase’s activity.
That’s why gated communities like Tildes and all these curated instances will never reach Reddit levels: they are starving the engine.
That’s why gated communities like Tildes and all these curated instances will never reach Reddit levels: they are starving the engine.
The phrasing here kinda implies this is a bad thing and everyone should be focused on 🚀 constant growth 🚀.
Tildes in particular has an extreme focus on quality over quantity and has some really interesting ideas on moderation (that haven’t been implemented due to lack of time on Deimos’ part). The site is still considered an alpha after all this time.
I think the default activity sort is part of the problem. Sorting by activity means everyone is just looking at and engaging with the same topics for 24 hours or so. There needs to be some “hot” category or something so that new stuff gets churned through a bit more regularly. New is too new, top is even more stale, activity causes things with high activity to stay high. It makes for very samey content.
Hot exists, doesn’t it?
In my experience, Active and Hot have been opposite extremes of freshness. Active shows posts that are more than a day old, and Hot shows posts that have no comments and are just a couple of minutes old.
Not to say it’s all bad. Your post was just a couple of scrolls down on my feed.
I vote for sorting by new comments… I’m generally entertained with this setup
Have they finally fixed this to not show old posts out of nowhere in the “Hot” feed? I’ve been avoiding this sorting because of that and hadn’t read anything about it being corrected… yet.
I don’t remember if it was fixed in 18.3 or 18.4, but it has been for a while.
Worth giving it a try, even if your instance is still 18.3
Ooo! I will, thanks!
Noted! Good feedback.
lemmy.world being down half the time probably made a lot of people think that this platform is trash and left.
Do these numbers include kbin?
That’s a personal opinion, but I would also be happy to see some groups spread on different communities to decide together on one community and make it grow together.
Browsing /all and seeing still another book or gaming community first post always makes me question if that post would not be better used in an established community.
And I know this will happen naturally overtime, I guess sometimes I would just like things to happen a bit faster and on a organized way.
I personally don’t mind having multiple communities on different servers because some of these servers go down… a lot.
Makes sense to have “backups” sort of littered throughout the Fediverse, imho. I like seeing what different groups have to say about the subjects, too. Like, a thread will be wildly different on lemmy.world and beehaw.org, because I’m fairly sure beehaw is still defederated with lemmy.world, meaning I’ll see very different groups of people on each instance’s community.
It would be nice if servers could be tuned to prioritize locally hosted communities over remote ones. There’s a real opportunity for each community on the same topic to have distinct flavours and cultures, but so long as they all appear to be the same damn thing and appear with the same frequency in the content stream, it’s never going to happen. It’s not like people really look at the remote server domain.
It’s really nice that the Local feed exists, but when people just bulk subscribe to 8 different communities with the same name, stick to their subscription list, and then treat them all as the same place, that just kills a lot of potential for heterogeneity.
It’s really nice that the Local feed exists, but when people just bulk subscribe to 8 different communities with the same name, stick to their subscription list, and then treat them all as the same place, that just kills a lot of potential for heterogeneity.
That’s what people are used to from Reddit. They’re used to having one giant subreddit about one topic. That’s why everyone’s centralized themselves on lemmy.world or kbin.social. That’s why one of the most requested features is the ability to make “multireddits” (or otherwise combining all different communities into one)
This is a culture problem to solve, technical solutions can only do so much to help.
@ShittyKopper why is a multi community feature an issue? I want to see what more than one fed server says on a topic and maybe have some cross list merging to increase efficiency.
If you are explicitly aware that different instances specialize in different concerns I can absolutely see the use for a feature like that, but most people want a feature of that sort just so they can “paper over” federation and pretend to have one giant community with one giant moderation policy / culture / priorities.
And that is before getting to the absolutely horrible idea of automatically generating multi-communities by merging communities with the exact same name regardless of their instance.
These numbers are not descriptive. Check out the daily stats.
- Active users per day has already stabilised.
- Active users half year is still climbing so we have people coming in.
- Shitposts per day are growing exponentially.
- People are still leaving from the Reddit influx. Lemmy just wasn’t for them.
Source: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats&days=120
When they remove old.reddit it’s over for me - there is no browser I’ve tried that new.reddit hasn’t managed to crash within a few minutes of using it.
But I’ll stay on old.reddit for as long as possible… there are just too many nazis and fascists waiting in the wings to hijack the communities I’ve put a lot effort into. It’s better to just milk them for as long as possible.
It always dies down after the initial hype. It seems pretty stable now. Compare it to pre-exodus and it is still like hundreds of times more popular then before.
Been a little hard to get used to, but I’ve mostly transitioned over from reddit, like I went to it from Digg.
Been using the Connect apk for my phone and everything seems pretty nice with it.
It honestly feels nice because the activity feels human and not just spammy low-effort comments 0:
This is one of the main things keeping a lot of us around I think. It’s not just repost bots of shit I’ve seen 5 times in a month.
V true. I will say seeing the same post across 5 instances does make me feel like I’m going crazy sometimes so I guess it’s a tradeoff xD
Yeah, still we lack variety because our algo doesn’t do a good job of promoting smaller communities. I’d like a lot more niche subs get more popular rather then our few dozen or so that have gotten big, which is still a good thing don’t get me wrong.
@regalia
> our algo doesn’t do a good job of promoting smaller communitiesLemmy has an algo for that?
No, the algo for active/hot favor large communties, so smaller ones tend not to show up on the front page. It should be tweaked so smaller ones pop up more often. Reddit solved that somehow, I don’t know what they changed though.
@regalia
> the algo for active/hot favor large communties, so smaller ones tend not to show up on the front pageI presume it’s the same as what determines which posts appear on the front page of a Mastodon server; chronological order of posts. That would favour the larger communities, since people post there more often.
The other limiting factor, I presume, is a Lemmy server only knows about the communities its accounts are members of. Larger communities will have members on more servers.
Huh? Are you replying from Mastodon right now lol
https://feddit.nl/c/trendingcommunities is pretty useful!
That I agree with, the other thing that kills me is multiple communities of the same topic just in different servers.
Same here, I think I’ll open a thread about that in the coming days
I feel that you underestimate how stubborn I can be with low effort comments. I’ve been making off color, not particularly funny attempted witty comebacks on BBSes, the Internet, and then the World Wide Web for longer than… Oh, it’s been since the early 90’s now. Lemmy is the latest stomping grounds and I’m not giving up here just yet.
I’ll be more interested in the user numbers when it’s been a year.
I can tell you the drop in active Lemmy users was NOT from hexbear and lemmy.grad. Those trolls are worse than the_donald was on the other platform.
Bizarrely it feels way more active, the people leaving were never going to contribute anyway and that’s fine. It seems to be stabilizing at a good amount of content per day.
From the statistics that seems to make sense, only total/active users is seeing a drop everything else was still rising at the “normal” rate
Some of this may also have to do with the user creation exploit that popped up a while back.
This is what copium looks like in its final form.
