Summary
China condemned JD Vance on Tuesday for calling Chinese people “peasants” in a Fox News interview, where he said, “To make it a little more crystal clear, we borrow money from Chinese peasants to buy the things those Chinese peasants manufacture.”
The Chinese Foreign Ministry labeled the remarks “ignorant and disrespectful.”
The backlash exploded on Chinese social media, garnering 140 million Weibo views.
Critics mocked Vance’s own “hillbilly” background and pointed to China’s advanced tech and infrastructure, highlighting rising tensions amid Trump’s trade war.
These days they can update it with “don’t waste your eggs, there are kids in America whose family can’t even afford them”
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No. Considering present-day America and China, one of those nations is far more reliable and far more stable.
ML, grad and hexbear are patiently waiting for your apologies. Sad that the line the US had to cross wasn’t imperialism and genocide, but losing decorum and imposing tariffs on treats…
I’m an anarchist. I have always been at odds with the American state. I have been arguing against genocide apologists since the Palestinian genocide began. China is not a perfect state. They are authoritarian. They are at odds with me ideologically, and I have many criticisms of their past and present state. It’s possible to both acknowledge the extent of anti-china propaganda output by the American state, and also that China is a country that has its own history past and present of human rights abuses and workers rights abuses.
This is basically 1:1 with my thoughts, would it be cool if I paraphrased/copy paste this for future use?
Sure, by all means.
Thank you, I wanted to at least ask first.
Sure, you just mentioned “present-day”, and I thought maybe you referred that things have changed somehow. The US has always been imperialist and genocidal in nature, that’s why I got triggered by the “present-day” part of your initial comment and to what I was responding.
I had a longer comment typed up initially but opted for something shorter since it was likely falling on deaf ears anyway. Yes, America was founded by genocidal colonialists. Genocide and Western imperialism are foundational American institutions.
Cool, good to see that we’re on the same page, sorry for the aggressive tone in my first comment.
Beyond him being an idiot and a racist and evil, who the fuck talks like this?
He called the UK and France “random countries” when dismissing their importance to mutual security agreements.
He talks like a 4chan dipshit. Which he probably was. Even if he is completely blocked from power for the next four years, just having this moron one heartbeat away from the Presidency has done truly horrific damage to the respect and prestige of the Office.
If by some miracle Trump steps back from the tariffs and the concentration camps and the blatant authoritarianism and the wholesale destruction of the federal government, the damage to America as an idea is something that none of us will live to see undone.
Nobody ever thought highly of American culture, and I know racist fuckwads like these don’t represent all Americans, but to outsiders they do. America’s economy output was the only thing people liked about this country and the reason people immigrated here, you fuck with the money like this, then what’s left of the country?
America would have to have a good reputation prior to trump for your point to stand. Think about why your life was so easy before. How many people had their lives made harder so you could have your easy life? America itself is an overvalued stock.
The amount of damage Trump is doing by destroying our international relationships demonstrates that America is central to the post-war order.
What’s wild is this current admin just kind of solidifies the image of American culture that people have been in denial of accepting. Everyone saw it but they just kept consuming and living in their own bubbles.
…I hate laughing at the downfall of my own country, but we definitely had it coming. I guess Chinese is the new lingua franca. Anyway, can someone help me understand why “Ma” in Mandarin means both weed and mom? How do I buy weed in Beijing?
U can ask Mom for weed by saying ma ma
Make it a question with a third ma.
So “ma ma ma?” (妈麻吗?)
Mandarin has 4 (technically 5) tones so “ma” could be any one of those 4 different pronunciations. Furthermore, there are many completely different words that have the same tone/pronunciation. You just learn through context (same way as you do with English homophones)
Mom in mandarin is 媽 (mā) whereas weed is 麻 (má). Colloquially you can also say 大麻 (dàmá) for weed.
you also use ma at the end of the sentences to form a question, to make it more confusing
How legal is weed in China? I get the impression the regime is anti drugs
Just spit balling here but probably execution level legal.
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take this as you will, it is copy pasted from a site. most other sources i saw up to reading this said the same shit, so it is probably fairly accurate
The Punishment for Marijuana in China
Possession & Use: Individuals caught with marijuana or using marijuana will face administrative detention between 10 to 15 days, as well as fines of up to 2,000 yuan ($280 USD). Trafficking and Distribution: Selling or distributing marijuana is a crime. Punishment for those found guilty of handling over 50 grams includes a minimum three-year prison sentence, with life incarceration or death being possible penalties for larger weights (or in special cases). Marijuana Cultivation: Growing cannabis is another criminal offense, no matter how many plants. People arrested for growing marijuana could spend five years in jail and pay a hefty fine. For larger amounts, the punishment is even steeper.Thanks!
Possession is much lighter than I was expecting.
There is probably a lot of pressure to give up the supplier.
yeah, i have no idea, on the granular level like that i would image it is quite a complicated thing, as it is anywhere
Also, even before you go into the nitty gritty, there are homonyms in English too, so I don’t get why OP needs an explanation.
You can’t. At least not legally.
“China lashes out”
Did they also “slam” home the fact that this is quite literally a world leader directly insulting the people of their closest rival? The bad news writing mixing with clown world politics is why all this seems so unreal to people, we are talking about a collapse of global world order but this reads like a TMZ piece.
There goes the already remotely slim chance of any tariff negotiations. There is now a negative chance of China giving in.
China wins this war in a landslide.
USA needs China: walk into any American home, and it’ll be minimum 50% China-related goods.
The reverse situation, American goods in Chinese homes, would have a tough time approaching 10%.You know that isn’t good for China either, right? It’s the same twisted trade deficit logic that Trump is using. China’s economy depends on selling those goods.
Yeah, except America isn’t the only country in the world
Certainly, but we’re the biggest consumer economy by a long shot. Trying to replace roughly $600 billion in exports isn’t an easy ask, especially since the next biggest economic bloc after the US and China, the EU, has been trying to move away from over reliance on China for years.
They may be trying to move away from China, but they’re going to be moving back fast with these tariffs in place. Everyone loses in a trade war, but China is very much going to be the winner. No matter what happens after today, the US has lost it’s bargaining position and value as a trading partner and ally.
Putin has won his war against the US, it’s just a matter of how we fall at this point.
I don’t disagree, I’m just pointing out that no one wants this and China isn’t going to just magically replace their biggest trading partner overnight, which is why they were legitimately trying to work out a new deal originally.
Trust me, I fully agree the US will be the biggest loser from all of this.
Not to mention many of those Chinese products are designed by and built for American companies or nonamerican companies that sell in the US, which complicates things even further. This is much more complicated and much messier than simply looking at how many US goods there are in a typical Chinese household. Everybody loses thanks to Trump’s idiocy.
The US is just one country out of ~190 with a population of 300m out of 7b. Losing some exports to the US will sting a bit, but in the grand scheme it’s nothing.
The US needs to get its head out of its ass and realize its not as important as it thinks.
300m not 300k
Corrected, that’s what I meant
China has the entire rest of the world to sell to.
While trade war isn’t good for anyone US is clear looser here since China’s export to US (as of 2023 stats) is only 15% from its overall export. They can sell more other countries to smoothen impact. Meanwhile who gonna buy US stuff? “Best friend“ Russia with total GPD of less than California?
“only 15%”? That’s a huge percentage when you look at global trade. In 2023, their next biggest export partner is Hong Kong at 8%, which is now part of China. After that it’s Japan at 5%, followed by South Korea at 4.5%.
https://tradingeconomics.com/china/exports-by-country
The point is, China doesn’t want this trade war at all, and neither do we. Trump and Co. are complete morons that are fucking up the global economy for nonsensical reasons. Yes, other countries can eventually establish new trade deals without the US, and they likely will, but let’s not pretend they all can just bounce back within a few months if these idiotic shenanigans continue.
I wanted EU but the closest breakdown was Europe at 22%. Russia is 3.4% and assuming that’s included in Europe puts it closer to 18.6%.
That use of “only” before “15%” is a serious underestimation in absolute terms, but wholly appropriate when those 15% are relative to the US’s self-inflicted trade damage: it’s still immensely better when 15% of your trade goes to a trading partner which has picked a fight with you than when 100% of your trade goes to trade partners you have picked fights with.
Further, in the last 2 decades or so China has both been growing its internal market (so that its Economy is less dependent on exports) and diversifying the countries they export to, likely in preparation for the death throes of empire as the US falls from its top position, which were entirely expected for decades, as was that they would include some form of trade pressure on its closest adversary.
Absolutely, this is going to hurt China in the short-term (and possibly mid-term, depending on how easy or not is to redirect those exports to other destinations), but the Trump trade war with the World is going to totally fuck up the US and it’s the kind of harm that gets worse the longer these measures remain in place because it will be further eating away at the US brand (so even after the tariffs are removed many customers won’t be coming back) and accelerate the demise of the Reserve Currency status of the USD (which will in turn be reflected in massive inflation as those dollars flood back in and way bigger deficit related problems because the costs of debt servicing will go up when there is little demand for US Dollars abroad).
Yay! Cheaper goods for everyone else. Thanks USA!
In over 50 years, I have never seen a worst accounting of ourselves.
Our leaders, elected officials, are absolutely corrupt, inept, and eaten up with greed . They are diseased in their souls.
They need to be jailed , now.
It’s an excellent accounting by the person running the country. It’s going better than planned.
In over 50 years, I have never seen a worst accounting of ourselves
You should have taken the hints with the Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq invasions, but better late than never I guess.
Yep. China is not gonna lose face by negotiating. They’re gonna go all in to fuck the US over now.
I think this is the plan. They want to be able to blame China for the massively increased cost of consumer goods.
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COPE CHYNAH
these stupid mother fuckers
Hey man, not to be pedantic, but that’s a Liberian flag, on brand for the targets of your sarcasm but 🤷🏾♂️
100% intentional.
Ah, splendid then.
LIBERiA IS A NEW WAY TO SAY LIBERTY 🇱🇷 🇱🇷 🇱🇷 👊🔥
CHI-nuh.
I wish I never had to hear his voice again. And no, I don’t want him dead, just put in a retirement home.
He needs several hundred lashes
Happy cake day!
They are so laughably bad at this stong man act. They talk politics like either a particularly stupid playground bully or a guffawing British colonial moron from the time of the empire.
Also, I suppose it would help if your opponents found you even the least bit intimidating
They’re WWE grads
they don’t even have good entrance music
They tried but the artists keep suing to make them stop using it.
Linda MacMahon is literally the Secretary of Education.
Yet they can’t cut a promo!
Only Democrats seem to find their act intimidating.
Here it is again, a desperate attempt to blame Democrats.
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What the fuck have you done other than echo the right wing spin?
The right wing spin of “Please stop doing what Trump wants you to do”?
Or the right wing spin of “Stand up for the people who voted you in to stop Trump”?
Substantially more than most of the people on this site have been doing.
Yeah. Fucking Schumer is really leading the opposition. /s
And what specifically have you done?
Not voted Yes on anything Republicans want, for starters.
No cabinet picks. No poison pills. No sneaking in expansions of power in yearly budgets. No tax cuts for the rich.
It costs as much energy to vote no as it does yes. But it doesn’t look good for the lobbyists’ bank accounts when they pay for Trump’s demands, so why even bother fighting for what’s right?
I haven’t voted to confirm Trump’s nominees
Like they were elected to do. I sure hope they’re doing more than the people trying to balance rent and food as they worry about if their senator is going to vote yes on Trump’s wants.
Thank fuck i would say. It literally their fucking job isn’t it? I have to card in every morning at 9am till 5. Their equivalent of card in is to oppose this shit, and to be perfectly honest, if I put as much effort as they did so far, my manager would have fired my ass for being a slacker
Can you be any more specific?
They’re not blameless. They’re not entirely to blame, but they could’ve regulated social media to dampen disinformation when they had the chance.
The answer is never censorship. Look at who would be in charge of your ‘regulated’ social media now… It would be all of it instead of just the now hyper-regulated X.
I didn’t say censorship. They could’ve regulated social media as actual Media outlets, which puts them on the hook for libel lawsuits if blatantly fake disinformation is advertised on their platforms. In other words, they have to follow the same rules as traditional media outlets.
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You can’t tame the beast anymore. It’s in control and it’s bigger than governments. It’s more of poltergeist than something physical. Humanity is dying and the lifeboats that were government and religion have been overtaken.
This is a whole new war beyond law and order.
Natural law prevails, but many of us have been taught to not live by natural law. In turn we are losing the battle by being submissive to man-made law while the evil side of humanity thrives as it has never followed the law of man. They know the laws are for the poor and easily controlled and not meant for them.
Or something?
You can’t tame the beast anymore
Yes we can. It requires effort, will and risk, though, and these are things Americans lack one of.
And now that would be the reason they didn’t get elected.
Example?
You could look into it yourself, but here’s a general overview on the US response to disinformation:
https://firstamendment.mtsu.edu/article/disinformation-governance-board/
The Democrats could’ve been pushing harder to address such a serious problem, but they didn’t. And here we are.
Like I said, they’re not entirely to blame, but they’re not blameless.
I was aware of the dangers and am now aware of the cited committee to establish regulations that somehow counter foreign and domestic disinformation without infringing on the First Amendment; I was moreso asking for your personal idea of a regulation that you would put in place if dictator for a day.
holy shit these fucking libs
“They should have cracked down on how we’re allowed to communicate with each other”
and not
“They shouldn’t have committed a genocide” or “They shouldn’t have taken tens of millions of people off medicaid and doubled child poverty”
“Please stop capitulating to Trump and signing off of his bills, they’re fascists and you’re enabling them.”
“Whats with the blame for Democrats? You must hate them for no reason.”
The budget bill? Things were going to be worse if there was a shutdown that hands more power to the executive.
If they wanted a shutdown, Republicans would have voted no and shut it down.
Instead they voted yes along with 11 Democrats.
I feel like it’s due to American privilege. They don’t understand the real world and authentic humanity.
Just Dumb is a fucking numbnut.
And shady vance was told to say this in the ongoing rich game of “Let’s Tell Shady Vance What To Say!”. Hillbilly Ugly should really try to get a mind of it’s own.
They have to be Russian plants or smt right? Nothing they do make sense otherwise.
I don’t think it’s Russia anymore, I think they are just Americans. Russian gov is probably laughing at the free clout they are getting from this ordeal.
I don’t think America is what people think it is. Now or 20 years ago.
Russian gov is probably laughing at the free clout they are getting from this ordeal.
If you’d seen people comprising “Russian gov” closely, you’d adore Vance, he’s a warrior-philosopher with a subtle feel of poetry in comparison. EDIT: honest one at that.
America has always had a skewed view of itself
It’s dark. From my own life experiences I think it’s much darker than people could ever imagine. Once your see past the veil America becomes something horrific. I think there is a greater force in control and they own America outright at this point, and are working to overpower other nations the same way they did America. Not a group per se but and ideology that is toxic to human life. What some might call an evil force.
We are living in a new age of war beyond governments, surrounded by people that misunderstand life and existence and want desperately a savior to bring them back to their old lifestyles of privileged materialism and existential escapism. They want others to fight their battle for honest genuine life and because of that they will lose. People need to find the role they play. Scholars, teachers, “good” criminals, fighters, warriors, lovers, and spiritual leaders …honest human beings need to stop clinging to the old lifestyle and live like we are in a psychological war that pushes against true respectable genuine humanity.
If Putin is supposedly a Xi servant, why would Trump, who supposedly serves Putin, engage in economic war with China?
Cause autocrats never make sense - that’s why at moved away from this model
Vance – that’s the hillbilly guy, yeah?
hillbilly
his elergy, states how he was gay in childhood, but his grandma told him not to say such a thing.
“ignorant and disrespectful.”
Well, that’s the synonym of MAGA so 🤷🏻♂️
“Hey, China, call Vance “White Trash.” He really likes that.”
he basically did it himself about his own town in his shitty book.
One of the most frustrating things about the current US administration, is I keep having to side with China. wtf is going on when we can no longer even get together to hate on an external trading partner? When the enemies are not at the gate but in the keep? When I have to agree with actions to punish my own country as well earned and expected?
The enemy was never China. The current US administration is worse than the previous one, but it was never China imprisoning black people en-masse, keeping your healthcare unaffordable and your life expectancy below that of Cuba, keeping your tuition prices out of reach for the majority, not guaranteeing a retirement pension, and having the largest incarceration rate on Earth. It just took orange man for you to realize. Hopefully you won’t turn back to anti-chinese sentiment and pro-US-imperialism when the cheeto is gone.
Hopefully you won’t turn back to anti-chinese sentiment and pro-US-imperialism when the cheeto is gone.
The guy literally said that the most frustrating thing is that he can’t be anti-chinese anymore.
Ehhhhhhh…
I don’t disagree that the “western hemisphere” is a corrupt, increasingly fascist, capitalist hellhole…
China aren’t known for their stellar human rights record either. Uyghurs, Tibetans, anyone that jokes about Winnie the Pooh’s lookalike, etc.
Let’s not pretend either side is righteous here, every single one of us is getting fucked, it’s just a matter of degree and direction.
Uyghurs, Tibetans, anyone that jokes about Winnie the Pooh’s lookalike, etc.
If you think the
nazisAmericans are bad, wait until you hear what they have to say about thesovietschinese!removed by mod
This was also not on my bingo card as well. It’s a damn weird timeline we’re living in.
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Anyone else becoming consciously aware of things they just can’t say because China is now going to be the next superpower?
…at least their list of banned statements are coherent and predictable…I guess. With the Trump admin, you could say “I like Gouda cheese” and a few years later find yourself in El Salvador because Trump, or some other moron, got upset that The Netherlands wouldn’t willingly be annexed.
That’s what I’m talking about the oppressive dictatorship with poor human rights is the voice of reason, if sanity, the “good one”? How did that happen?
Maybe the enemies aren’t the ones we’ve been made to believe. Our homegrown capitalists export jobs to the “peasants” then they turn around and say to the jobless - look, the peasants took your job!
The enemies have never been the Chinese proletariat who toil and slave for scraps to feed the demands of a capitalist, consumerist society and always the greedy, totalitarian faux-socialists with a love for concentration camps that form the ruling party.
totalitarian faux-socialists with a love for concentration camps that form the ruling party
Could you please tell me what’s the incarceration rate in China and compare it with the US?
First: No I cannot, the people of China do not enjoy freedom of press or freedom of expression, so finding out the actual statistics can be very difficult.
Second: What is your point? Two governments can be bad simultaneously, and even more than just two. Just because I oppose Israel’s genocide doesn’t mean I suddenly support Iran’s totalitarian leadership.
finding out the actual statistics can be very difficult
Nah, you’re just a racist US-propagandized individual who refuses to believe statistics from “le evil country” because they don’t suit your ideology. Trials in China are as public as in the rest of the world, and incarceration rates are easy to calculate, and they match the government data because China doesn’t need to lie about it becaude it’s not a police state in the way USians believe it to be. I can attest to that as someone who visited China freely and without visa, and who has had the pleasure of having several Chinese coworkers.
Second: What is your point?
My point is that China’s incarceration rate is 5 times lower that of the USA, which makes it kinda obvious that there’s no “tyrant police state jailing everyone who disagrees”.
You’re either an apologist for totalitarian dictatorships who falls for propaganda as easily as MAGA cultists or you’re just straight-up trolling. The racism accusation was really the cherry on top.
I have never even visited the US, nor do I have any intention to.
You don’t need to live in the US to fall to US State Department propaganda, I’m west-European myself and I’m surrounded by people with the same brainworms as you do. But if you insist I’ll give you two sources that give similar numbers (i.e. 5 times smaller imprisonment rate than in the USA): source 1(London-based institute) source 2(UN data). Are those also totalitarian sources for this faulty information that we can’t believe because the evil politicians from the evil country are plotting to destroy the west?
I’ve been looking for Chinese prison-crime-etc. data. Do you have a link?
It being in Mandarin isn’t a problem.
The United Nations Crime Trends Survey data seems to match pretty well with the data from World Prison Brief regarding prison population. Hopefully nobody will accuse the UN or a London-based organization of skewing the data in favour of China.
That’s not how it works around here. No shades of gray I’m afraid, simple black and white only. (/s)
If it’s one thing I’ve learned in my years it’s the the truth is always somewhere in the middle. Just look at global warming.
Same as it ever was, governments sucking ass while the people are just… People… Even EU governments suck ass, just maybe ever so slightly less in recent history and even that I’m not sure of (not counting the current slide to the far right obviously).
I do feel like every 4 years… there’s a new enemy in the world. Kim > Putin > Bibi =/= Donald > who’s next?
Maybe the real enemeies were the friends we made along the way? Wait… no probably not.
As someone who is trying to live in a democracy it’s still insane to accept a dictatorship IMO
The kings and dictators are gonna be a fundamental wedge between east/west for a long time.
