• Singletona082
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    I’m genuinely surprised Trump killed the CHIPS act, when he could’ve let that roll through and taken credit for it as the whole POINT of that was to improve US manufacturing.

    Also reintroduce the build back better with whatever re-branding.

    If he were truly interested in american manufacturing he’d have gone all in on these.

    But no. he wants company owners and worldl eaders to come to him and beg for exemptions.

    • @IonAddis@lemmy.world
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      I’m not surprised.

      The name of the game here is to destroy America, not build it up. (Russia wants a USSR-style fall of America. The Cold War never ended for them.) And Trump wants to stay out of jail. Everything you see Trump or his admin doing can be attributed to those two things. Destroying America, or keeping himself out of Jail.

      • @sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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        Eh, I think it’s more that Trump wants attention. The CHIPS act is bad because Biden gets credit for it, not Trump. Tariffs are good because Trump gets to force other countries to come to the US to negotiate with him. Whether the deal at the end is good or bad is irrelevant, what matters is that Trump’s name is in the news and attached to those deals.

        Trump isn’t going to jail, so I highly doubt he cares much about avoiding it. He mostly cares about people talking about him, and it’s working.

        I think Musk is the same way, but he does seem to care about the tech his name is attached to as well. So that’s likely to cause huge issues soon as Musk and Trump butt heads more and more.

      • @Bloomcole@lemmy.world
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        1323 days ago

        As a European I fully support comrade Trump in his successful endeavor of destroying the imperialist and fascist US state.

          • @Bloomcole@lemmy.world
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            123 days ago

            that doesn’t apply.
            It’s better to distance ourselves from them before we get caught in their dumpster fire and also get burned.

            • @RogueBanana@lemmy.zip
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              And how do you plan on doing that today? You are also delusional like Trump if you think you can just cut ties and happily watch US go up in flames. That simply isn’t gonna happen, certainly not before his current term ends.

              • @Bloomcole@lemmy.world
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                It can happen pretty fast, look what Russia did with those sactions.
                The EU, their neighbour, simply got replaced.
                We can certainly do the same with the US.

                • nickwitha_k (he/him)
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                  The USSR was not thoroughly embedded in the world economies. Nor did it have as staunch of allies in major positions in EU government as the US does today. Don’t get me wrong, despite being in the US, I do think that countries divesting and becoming less dependent upon a slave state, like the US, is a good thing. However, as the “Great Recession” demonstrated, EU economies are very much entangled with the US economy, with few lessons seeming to have been learned in the last decade and a half.

                  Sure, the US might be more impacted, but the EU will not be unscathed, if there isn’t more effort to decouple and ditch neoliberal policies. That kind of stuff can’t happen overnight.

        • @Tryenjer@lemmy.world
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          Don’t talk nonsense. Trump will destroy America and take Europe down the same path if he gets the chance.

          The breakdown of trust in the Atlantic alliance alone is one of the worst things that could have happened to both sides and this is just the beginning. They’re going to fuck themselves and they’re going to fuck us in the process.

          • @Bloomcole@lemmy.world
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            I hope our EU government get some sense and stop acting like the vasals they are.
            This could be the push we need.
            The US never were our friends and this ‘alliance’ is nothing more than being in their sphere of influence and serving their interests. Bcs they are losing power in the world they are now canibalising their own side.
            Who said ‘there will be no more Nordstream’?
            And then in a pure act of terror blew it up forcing us to buy 8x more expensive US fracking gas.
            Not one peep from our sell-out leaders.
            We needed to drop this horrible country long time ago, regardless of Trump.

        • @smeenz@lemmy.nz
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          The EU is not as detached from global economics as you seem to believe it is. The fall of the US will have world wide implications, for many generations.

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            The EU is not as detached from global economics as you seem to believe it is

            I never said that, but it needs to be done.
            We need to cut ties before they drag us down further.
            Our economy is already going to shit with the high energy prices caused by them blowing up Nordstream.
            And that was under Genocide Joe.
            I would rather have an incompetent moron in charge of the country seeing us as vasals since forever.
            And if it’s up to them they will gladly see us all at war again like WW2.
            Their competition destroying themselves while they benefit and sell arms.

            Fuck that whole country

    • @CoffeeJunkie@lemmy.cafe
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      I’d have to look into it more, but my gut tells me the CHIPS act & ‘Build Back Better’ was filled to the brim with pork & bullshit. You’d have to parse through, line by line, and take out all the shit. And hope all the changes get passed & implemented, and of course you’re still touting the worthless name of a project that your people hate that you didn’t even create. Or just blindly trust your opponent’s judgment calls & let it roll through, based on “just trust me, bro”. Nooooo thank you. Why bother?

      With stuff like this, it tends to be easier & more expedient to take it behind the shed & shoot it. Replace it with your distinctly different, branded equivalent.

      However. If this is true, it appears that Trump didn’t fully raze the CHIPS act & merely revamped it, is taking credit for it. Like you said. CHIPS must have been pretty true to cause.

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        Oh I’m sure there was pork there, but to just dismissi t out of hand is kinda disengenouls especially when all the politicians (mostly republican) that voted against it tried snapping up credit come time for the ribbon cutting and new construction to aged infrastructure.

        Granted Manchan and Senna opposed the build back better initiative and both were explicitely paid off by fossil fuel industry wonks… And i figure if they’re in opposition, ‘I want it even more out of sheer fucking spite to you greedy assholes that make money killing the planet my niece is going to have to live in.’

    • @Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Even if he had gone all in on manufacturing, it’s not like a supply network of industrial goods can be built in a day. Hell, it’s hard to build that in a 4-year term. Trump is virtue signalling while at the same time jeopardizing any chance America had of reshoring.

      It’s honestly infuriating me how big projects needed to improve our infrastructure take years and years to complete, when from one administration to the next, those same projects can be cancelled.

      It takes multiple presidencies to build something good, and it takes one to tear it all down.

      I see now the benefits of China’s 5 year plans with how well organized they can control their economy.

  • @MuskyMelon@lemmy.world
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    Good luck getting all the materials needed for that now that China has stopped exports to the US.

    IPhone 17:

    Brick phone

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      Only $4000 for the entry model. That’s how much it costs once the tariffs on the semiconductors that you simply cannot produce in the country for at least 10 more years even if you tried has been covered, the salaries high enough to motivate people to willingly work the assembly lines now that immigrant workers are gone, and the markup needed to cover the cost of completely creating an entire supply chain from scratch as well as paying back the insane debt that results from the outrageous high risk investments this would require and that frankly no investor would want to touch with a 10 foot pole.

        • @PacMan@sh.itjust.works
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          Or the Google tax of a few hundred bucks for the OS. Which could happen. Google is worse than Micro$uck at this point and I say this as someone who returned their OEM license before. See Revolution OS https://youtu.be/k0RYQVkQmWU

          Even Linux is now weaponized for profits over anything else…:.::.

          So argument invalid

    • @FinishingDutch@lemmy.world
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      523 days ago

      Don’t threaten me with a good time.

      I’d looooove a return of the brick phone. Modern phones feel small and dainty in my giant hands. Meanwhile, battery life absolutely sucks. I’d love a modern brick phone that does calls, text and nothing else. And a battery life of a fulm week.

        • @FinishingDutch@lemmy.world
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          Sure, plenty of small phones with good battery life back then. Owned a new phone every three months or so, innovation went that fast in the 90’s.

          But those small phones have a few drawbacks. Too small for my hands and you can’t really shoulder it like we used to with landlines.

          I also mis proper flip phones like the Motorola Startac. You could snap those closed with authority. Can’t quite do that with those modern folding screen flips.

        • @redwattlebird@lemmings.world
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          323 days ago

          Oooh! I had this back in the day. It was absolutely fantastic. I would love for this to come back again. I miss physical buttons and being able to do everything on the phone with one hand.

      • @marlowe221@lemmy.world
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        I’ll take my Motorola Razr back from the early 00s.

        Whether I do Captain Kirk impressions with it in the privacy of my own home is my business…

  • Libra00
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    I don’t doubt that it’s possible, but it would cost $7,000 or some shit.

    • @grrgyle@slrpnk.net
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      They’ll slash wages and say it’s because of AI, and it is. But not because AI actually makes the process any more efficient, but just that it’s a good excuse to slash wages.

    • @Allonzee@lemmy.world
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      The Trump base will blame Obama/Biden/Clinton, I guarantee it.

      It must be so freeing to live a life more divorced from logic or reality than an indoor dog.

      Maybe eliminating natural selection was a mistake.

      • @M0oP0o@mander.xyz
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        The year is 2039, life is hard.

        Just used the last of the clean water, food is almost unobtainable.

        “Thanks Obama”

    • Jyek
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      Can’t have a Biden law. Biden introduced that so it must be bad for the US.

      • @IMALlama@lemmy.world
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        923 days ago

        I ran into this at work today. Proposed a very simple approach for something to an architect and an engineering lead. Engineering lead said this was a practical solution that solves a problem that’s been plaguing them for two years. The architect nearly immediately said, “well, the real source is a mainframe that was stood up in the very early 80s. Let’s ignore the fact that changing it takes an act of Congress or that we have multiple modern downstream systems between it and us that are a much better home for this new function.”

        It really seemed to amount to, “I didn’t come up with this, therefore I don’t support it.”

        Ah, corporate politics.

    • @nthavoc@lemmy.today
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      Apple tried this in the past. Who knew making special little screws was way more expensive to make in the US. Kind of sucks when you outsource all of your manufacturing …

      • Jerkface (any/all)
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        Kind of sucks when you outsource all of your manufacturing …

        It’s kind of awesome for everyone if you don’t piss off your trading partners. It happens in the first place because it’s better for everyone involved! It’s a consensual arrangement that parties only engage in because it is in their interests.

      • @Dozzi92@lemmy.world
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        The only silver lining I see to the tariffs is that it could end up sticking it to all these large corporations who fought hard to move operations out of the US, to places they knew couldn’t meet US worker standards, in order to save money. Obviously, US consumers will feel the pain, but we’ve been buying products subsidized by Chinese suicides in Foxcon factories, and so perhaps it’s a comeuppance.

        Disclaimer: I don’t know what’s going on.

        • @prayer@sh.itjust.works
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          Realistically? For some stuff American jobs will move back, but I think most of the jobs will just move to other countries that don’t have the scrutiny that China has. Countries like the Philippines which have only a 17% tariff on the new scheme. On top of that, they probably are lower cost for labor and the biggest cost is the factory itself and shipping infrastructure. If a company has to finance a new factory anyways, the Philippines is more attractive than the US.

          And that’s just a random country I picked from the tariff list. I’m sure there some country out there that has the right mix of cheap labor, shipping infrastructure, location, and obscurity that lets it avoid tariffs to the point where most good come from there instead.

          • @Dozzi92@lemmy.world
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            I think that definitely sounds reasonable, and I think, if there’s any hope for these tariffs to actually meet their stated purpose, the government of the US would need to just say, if working conditions don’t meet the same standards, there will be additional tariffs. I think that’s exactly where tariffs ought to be applied, when some country takes advantage of, essentially, human rights. We don’t have the right to stop them, but we do have the right to tax their products for it, to the point it’s not worth it.

            Obviously, that’s not how things will go.

  • @rottingleaf@lemmy.world
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    US can’t manufacture iPhones, but it can manufacture other things. That you can’t build Versaille overnight doesn’t mean you can’t plant a few flowers and lay one square stone.

    I think SPARC CPUs were manufactured in the USA even in 00s.

    The whole re-industrialization idea is good, people making something know it’s not magical and wonderful. That an ARM CPU in an iPhone is a relative of an MC in a toy, and that said MC’s internal structure can be grasped in an evening.

    Worker jobs in manufacture affect societies very well. Just believing that this is going to happen means believing yet another US administration promising something until its term ends.

    • NιƙƙιDιɱҽʂ
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      Which is what subsidies are for. Encourage companies to do the things you want, don’t destroy the economy by making everything else impractical lmao. I see what the end goal is, supposedly, it’s just an extremely stupid, naive, or outright malicious way of accomplishing it.

  • @Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org
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    people screwing in little, little screws

    it’s going to be automated

    Sure that’s not automated yet?

    • @stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca
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      Nope, I’ve long worked in designing for North American electronics manufacturing, it’s still manual. We just outsource as many of those sub assemblies as possible to cheaper countries and design things with as few fasteners as possible.

      That really is the least of the worries, there just isn’t the manufacturing infrastructure for all the raw material and individual parts, manufacturing those parts just isn’t feasible to do at a reasonable cost or schedule outside of Asia. China is still popular not due to cost, they are no longer cheapest, but because they have the infrastructure in place.

    • @Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
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      Apparently jobs like that, which require fine motor skills, are extremely difficult to automate.

      • @JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world
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        Weird. Not like pcb fabs haven’t been doing that for ages. And not necessarily the solder flood type chip mounts either.

        • @Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
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          Pick and place machines are one thing, but plugging in tiny connectors, screws that need a little wiggle to go in the hole, things like that are a different story.

          • mle
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            Probably also a factor is that you would be spinning up a whole production line and automation systems for phones that will only be in production for 12 to 18 months, after which you’d have to adapt or redo everything for the new model.

        • @Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
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          Musk has quite famously admitted that robots can’t do everything, and humans are extremely good at problem solving.

  • @Famko@lemmy.world
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    Instead of Vietnamese children making t-shirts to sell to the USA, they want American children to make t-shirts to sell to Vietnam.

    This makes absolutely no fucking sense even from a nationalistic standpoint.

    • @Rob1992@lemmy.world
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      Nah man, they’ll start using the prisons for more then menial labor. You don’t have to pay them at all

      • @Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca
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        But then they have to fill those prisons with more and more people. How can America just increase the crime rate on a whim?

        glances briefly to American history

        Oh right, shit.

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          Slavery never ended in the US, it just got better PR.

          “Only prisoners can be sentenced to slave labor.”

          Makes a while bunch of stuff punishable by prison time and makes prison sentences longer.

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    Of course it is. They want 1500 bucks for something with a few hundred dollars of overhead. R and d not withstanding they’ll want the same amount of profit for the phone if it’s made in America and profits have to increase year after year! They can’t make a little less profit they have to make more than before!

    • @supercriticalcheese@lemmy.world
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      it’s not just acost the issue, there’s not enough skilled people to actually build them.

      Industrial engineers, people that would be willing to assemble devices would be in short supply

      • @doingthestuff@lemy.lol
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        As someone who has done a bunch of phone repairs with the help of YouTube, assembly isn’t that hard. If they don’t want to assemble them here, it’s completely about profit margins. We should be taking steps to reduce that profit margin. Tax the rich and all that.

      • mechoman444
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        If you offer good pay and good benefits at a decent working environment people will flock to assembly lines in the US. Christ they were basically invented here.

          • mechoman444
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            No. No it doesn’t.

            There are 7.1 million people unemployed in the US officially. Realistically that number is probably much, much higher.

            You’re saying apple can’t hire a few hundred people to work on an assembly line?

            • @supercriticalcheese@lemmy.world
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              That’s ~4% that is typically considered low but even if it wasn’t.

              It’s not one assembly line, and one product only… it’s every component from the chips to the glass, screen, circuit board and then the final one on.

              You would need also experienced people in every part you would need to manufacture including engineers that are in short supply, an nevermind building the factories etc…

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                If Apple were forced by law to manufacture iPhones exclusively in the U.S., they wouldn’t go under they’d adapt. They have the money (~$54B in liquidity), the brand loyalty, and the organizational muscle to pull it off.

                There are ~7 million unemployed people in the U.S. plenty of potential labor, especially if Apple funds large-scale training and leans hard into automation. Would it be expensive? Absolutely. Costs would skyrocket. You’re probably looking at a $1,800–$2,000 iPhone. But guess what? People would still buy it.

                They’d need 5–10 years to fully build out fabs, assembly plants, and domestic supply chains, but it’s feasible. TSMC is already building fabs in Arizona. Apple would just have to scale that approach to the rest of the production ecosystem.

                Forced U.S. iPhone manufacturing wouldn’t kill Apple. It’d just make them the biggest American manufacturer since WWII.

                The issue is like for every other major corporation in this country is that they’re just cheap bastards.

                I work in the repair industry and what I tell all my clients when I do warranty work for them if it’s the difference between repairing their item or the CEO of the warranty company getting a new yacht it’s always going to be the yacht first.

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        China uses little kids to build them. If we did the same in the US, America s would want to have MORE CHILDREN because they would literally pay for themselves!

        Just imagine if all middle schools in the US required 2 hours of iPhone assembly per day. It would be excellent industrial training for the future generation!

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    This guy just spews his bullshit, Would it be nice if they could be made in United States? Yeah sure but the thing is an iPhone would cost like $3500. And I know damn straight I’m not paying that much for a phone. And I’m pretty sure you guys wouldn’t either and that’s coming from someone that sometimes makes some stupid financial decisions and that is not one I would make

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      If Apple didn’t try to make 400% markup on their underpowered trash, it would probably just cost what it costs now. Except the child slave labor part would go away.

      • @Belgdore@lemm.ee
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        Except the child slave labor part would go away.

        That’s the neat part, the republicans are trying to repeal child labor laws.

        • Darren
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          Yeah, I’m in the process of shifting all of my workflows over to Linux/Android from all-Apple, but my Macs are a huge sticking point. My main computer is an M2 Macbook Air, which is ridiculously quick. I’m basically just waiting for Asahi to gain display port over USB, at which point I’ll ditch macOS. But until then…

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              My Linux system uses about 1 GB idle and yet I’m glad to have 16 GB - not because I wouldn’t mostly be fine with 8, but because it just keeps more doors open. Can run more demanding programs, more programs simultaneously, can host something in the background, …

              The OS itself is more efficient than Windows, yes. But that’s not a hard task, and it’s less efficient than many Linux distros. No matter how efficient you are, 8 GB non-expandable RAM is not enough nowadays.

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            Lol I agree. The value is horrendous when you spec one of their products to have decent storage/ram, but nevertheless can’t fault the speed of their ARM chips.

      • @Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works
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        My almost five year old piece of under powered apple trash cost me less than 45 US cents a day, still has regular OS updates and works between eight to ten hours most days running my entire life. I might even splurge out and buy a new one if they ever release an overpowered non trash handset…

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    Everyone playing along that this is some kind of genuine policy play are just buying into Trump as a legitimate leader in a similar way to how MAGA-heads do. Trump does not give a fuck about American manufacturing, American jobs, onshoring, offshoring, none of that. It’s all a grift. He’s waiting for some kind of payoff here, be it in the form of countries giving in to bad deals for the Trump Organization or investing in Truth or $TRMP. In some cases he gets to be feted at state dinners and sign some watered down, meaningless “trade deal,” temporarily backfilling his deep insecurities. Enough of this and most of the tariffs evaporate.

    • @ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
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      That’s just how the media work unfortunately. They keep explaining how tariffs work to people that know it while MAGA voters post ‘Fuck Biden’ over and over on twitter.