Idaho police officers opened fire from behind a chain-link fence just seconds after exiting their patrol cars and critically wounded a teenage boy — described by his family as nonverbal, autistic and intellectually disabled — as he stepped toward them with a knife, video from a witness shows.
Seventeen-year-old Victor Perez, who also has cerebral palsy, remained hospitalized in critical condition Tuesday after having nine bullets removed from his body and having his leg amputated, Ana Vazquez, his aunt, told The Associated Press. Doctors were planning tests on his brain activity.
The shooting Saturday in Pocatello outraged the boy’s family and neighbors as well as viewers online who questioned why the officers opened fire within about 12 seconds of exiting their patrol cars while making no apparent effort to de-escalate the situation or use less lethal weapons. Dozens of protesters gathered outside the police department Sunday, eastidahonews.com reported.
As the father of a 12 year old autistic boy this world scares me. I’m not going to be damning of the police, many of you have already done this. I will be damning of our society pushing these kids to the fringe at the benefit of no one. More often than not programs for autistic children involve other autistic children which is not what we need. We need neurotypical children having more sustained interactions with autistic children and neurotypical adults with more sustained interactions with autistic adults.
I will argue (probably successfully) that 99% of neurotypical people that engage with autistic people is because they’re related to them or they’re paid to interact with them. That is a problem.
We are not solving the problem.
Mine is 11. He goes to school with the neurotypical kids. I suppose it helps in that for the most part he “knows” how he is supposed to act. But he doesn’t really apply any forward thinking to his actions. So it hasn’t shaped his behaviour much at all. We just hope that in 2 or 3 years, when some maturity hits, maybe he will have some base to work from. But we don’t know if he will ever develope that filter on his actions that everyone needs.
So here in Ontario we have a thing called “community class” which my son is a part of. It’s basically a class where all the disabled kids are thrown. The thing is my son does not know “how to act” nor can he learn it My oldest is your traditional Aspergers which I think is what you are referring to. That is very much a fake it until you make it in that they will learn.
Point being. Many autistic kids are very me “the other” and no amount of school will teach them. Those kids are fucked. They will never integrate. Neurotypicals will never get them.
Yeah, mine is lvl 1 which used to be aspergers. He doesn’t fit with most of the autistic molds. He is extremely aware of other people’s emotions. But the part of his brain that would shape his behaviour based on what he is aware of is just busted most of the time. Kinda like it is overridden by even the slightest idea in his head. Anyway, for the others… all we can hope for is some medical advancement that can help them some day.
If neurotypical people would take a few minutes each day to think about those other than themselves, neurodiverse people might not have the problems we do in living in this world.
I dunno. I don’t think it is that easy for them. The only frame of reference they have is themselves. They can’t comprehend the drastic difference between the typical and atipical minds. And at the same time, they are inundated with various forms of media telling them what they are supposed to value in a personality. Essentially they are indoctrinated against neurodiverse people like us. Those doing the indoctrinating are really really good at it. Most people just don’t stand a chance against that.
Oh even more neurotypicals look at “The Good Doctor” and be like “that’s autistic people I get that!” And fuck off it’s the farthest thing to what autism looks like.
Exactly.
Fucking cops are so incompetent that they plugged him nine times, and still didnt kill him. I’m picturing them crouching and cowering behind their cars, and just lifting up their gun over the hood and mag-dumping in the general direction with their eyes closed.
Dickheads can’t even be incompetent correctly.
When thinking of calling the police on someone, you have to first ask yourself, "is this a situation where the significant chance of death to the person versus the amount of danger they pose to others is really a risk worth taking? Because there are definitely cases where the answer is clearly Yes. We don’t want to let a victim get killed or raped or beaten by ignoring a threat, but we also don’t want to get someone killed when what they’re doing requires restraint, but not the death penalty.
But oftentimes the best course isn’t clear. In a healthy society, we could call properly trained authorities worthy of being trusted to handle those situations, who would be trained on things like how to de-escalate, how to use only the amount of force actually necessary while ensuring people’s safety, and who have been psychologically evaluated to weed out those with personality traits that would make them unsuitable for such a role.
But our police forces are not that–they are basically the exact opposite of that.
Cops are pretty cowardly, most of them love killing people if they can get away with it because they have no soul.
“We understand the concern and emotion surrounding the officer-involved shooting that occurred,” he said, adding, “We are also aware of the video circulating online, which shows only one angle. The full picture requires careful review of all facts and evidence.”
Yeah, whatever.
As always, ACAB.
They will 100% review ALL the facts and evidence (existent or otherwise) and commence an internal investigation.
“Itt shows only one angle” is such an asshole thing to say. Investigation is a good thing, but they ruin it by saying stupid shit.
Also getting sick of seeing that obfuscating language: “office involved shooting” as if there was a shootout that involved officers and not officers being the only ones with guns and the only reason shooting ever happened.
There’s only one angle. These cowards shot a disabled child through a chain link fence
Eos.
That article got pulled quick.
I fixed the link.
To serve and protect, if you are in the correct tax bracket.
Pigs. Loyal to subjugating those poorer than them. Only capable of punching down.
nine fucking bullets…jesus christ.
But did they first scream, “He’s coming right for us!”?
“STOP RESISTING!”
ACAB
There should be some kind of a fear test for cops. Most of these shootings happen because of the great fear the cop has. The rest of the cops just want to shoot you dead. So I guess there should be some kind of “I like to shoot people dead” test as well.
It’s worse than that as a lot of their “training” is designed to make them feel like they’re warriors in constant danger. They are too stupid to ignore it and it’s all they get since training and the funding for it is so awful and unregulated.
Cops in the US are just running around constantly pissing themselves and it barely takes anything to put them over the edge.
Lists of the most dangerous jobs put Police Officers somewhere in the high teens. Some lists don’t even have them in the top 20. People who think that a cop’s job is so dangerous, forget that they carry a gun, taser, and asp at all times, and have an addition arsenal in the trunk. Cops are safer than kids in public school.
Ive had 2 jobs in the top 5, way more dangerous than any cop, and I’ve never gone around demanding respect because my job was so dangerous.
yeah, many departments still get trained on “stockholm syndrome” despite it being thoroughly debunked and only ever part of pop-psych. in fact, the only “experts” that ever pushed it WERE police training “experts”. the whole situation in stockholm was competely misrepresented. the women didn’t love the bank robber, they just feared that the actions the police were taking would cost them their lives and thus begged them to do things differently. the police are the ones that locked them in a bank vault with the attacker. this, among a few other misreports by said police, resulted in a media circus about these women falling in love and not wanting to be saved. the idea that the police could be dangerous to these women was inconceivable to the public at the time.
it was a classic case of the police bungling a rescue and nearly costing multiple innocent lives to try to protect capitol, then ending up causing more damage than the thief was going to steal anyway. the women involved were barely studied after, but it was quickly concluded that the police were wrong about the women and that this syndrome they named was bunk. it was never in the dsm. it was never accepted science. too bad copeganda doesn’t care about facts. as i said, this shit is so sold to American police officers to this day.
there’s a great radiolab podcast from around December that talks to the survivors about it. you can go and listen to their side of the story if you want. they were terrified of the attacker the entire time and the police just kept making things worse for them.
Surprise: Zero. Good lord that is absolutely fucked. Swear to god, I feel like even the most ardent ACAB people do actually understand that police as a community service are still valuable but I’m right with them on the ACAB train because of how universally shitty cops and police departments are about things.
And the 'roids.
Hi. Former officer of the Texas department of criminal Justice. They train fear into you. This is the intended response. This is the optimal outcome. This is exactly what he was trained to do. Half of the training is watching videos of police officers not reacting quickly or violently enough and dying and being told “always act first and monopolize the violence in the situation”. Once again, I am a former officer of the Texas department of criminal justice. This is my personal experience.
ACAB. Fuck the police. It bastardizes everyone. Including me.
Hi. That reminds me of a Dylan lyric…“They said what’s up is down, they said what isn’t is, they put ideas in his head that he thought were his…”. Thanks for the info, all the best.
The process also starts with eliminating anyone with a high IQ, so we end up with the dumbest motherfuckers in town, with authority issues.
Then they promote from within, drawing from an already limited IQ pool. Ever watch the local Police Chief talk on the news, and sound like a total dumbass? Its because departments promote for political connections, and intelligence is NEVER a factor.
“The Norden”, a documentary series that looks at the Nordic countries from the perspective of outsiders, has a very interesting episode comparing American police to those in the Nordic countries. American police gets less training and it is indeed mostly focused on spotting and neutralising potential threats.
Police training in the US should last more than just 6 weeks.
Cops in Canada have far longer training and they still kill people indiscriminately.
It’s not just the training … it’s also doing in-depth psych evals multiple times during training and banning ALL of the 3rd-party training bullshit.
Cosmetology school takes a year, and then they have to get a license. Even Clown College takes 13 weeks.
You can just do a web search on the title. Example result: https://www.yahoo.com/news/outrage-builds-video-shows-idaho-185811760.html
that’s just what police do.
Article got removed ?
Not sure what happened. I’ve updated the link now.
There’s a bug where edited link posts don’t propagate to Mbin, so for any other Mbinners, the new link is https://apnews.com/article/idaho-police-autism-shooting-teen-d9eef615233c7e95d4fa3ee8a627f7d2
