Meta post I’ve decided to make. I enjoyed the unixporn subreddit a lot when I used reddit more. I enjoy customizing my linux de as much as the next nerd.
But you definitely shouldn’t use racist slang to refer to the process.
To be clear, I didn’t know the origin of the term ‘ricing’ until fairly recently. I was chattimg with my friend and used it to describe my de setup. They informed me that apparently it’s from car customization, and is a pejorative against generally asian men who customize their car to look like a racecar.
After learning this I was sad to realize just how engrained it is in linux de customization culture. I personally have stopped using the term, and I would ask everyone here stop as well.
TIL the origin of the word.
But I am confused. Anyone offended for using the word?
When repos changed to main from master, I got problems.
People are hypersensitive over these words now.
But I am confused. Anyone offended for using the word?
When repos changed to main from master, I got problems.
People are hypersensitive over these words now.
Well that’s easy to say when you are not part of the affected group.
But …
I am an Asian living in Asia. And I wouldn’t know the racism encountered by someone over other continents. Hence the question.
Peter Russell makes fun of India people.
Jo Koy makes fun of Phillipine people.
Jing Yang makes fun of Chinese people.
Fluffy makes fun of Mexican people.
Colored people can call each other N words.
Even white comedians joke that the people most sensitive are the people who are not in the affected groups.
I;m not gonna discuss your point about comedians because honestly that sounds nonsense to me, however the only reason I’m replying to you is because there is a keypoint in your comment:
I am an Asian living in Asia. And I wouldn’t know the racism encountered by someone over other continents.
This very much is why you may not see why this is an issue, if you truly are an Asian living in Asia you didn’t grow up not have experienced life as a minority group, let me tell you that despite whatever origins a person may have I’m pretty sure that every Asian person that lives in a western country could relate with the underlying racism towards them ingrained in a way that every time they try to bring this issues up they are dismissed as they were not possible of being victims of racism because a lot of Asians are successful or they skin light or whatever bullshit reason.
There is whole problematic and systematic about this and although I have my own opinion and experiences I will not expand further as I am also not an academic, I can only speak for myself.
I live in an Asian country where racism is not well known or may be people are not aware of the issue.
I hear about the issue though internet, experience shared by friends who had been to western countries, and so on.
I asked the question because I wanted to know.
I grew up in a good community in the US, and never really knew any racism. Experiencing real racism for the first time after I moved away is still one of the most painful experiences in my life.
Imagine that you’re out celebrating a national holiday with friends and family, happy and content, except that around you there are hundreds of people screaming and jeering that independence day is for Americans, and you should go home. But you are home. You were born within this state even, just up this same river you’re all sharing together right now. This is a real thing I experienced in parts of rural America.
You can call me oversensitive to racism, and I’d agree that I can be hyperaware of it. But it’s a response to the deep trauma that even just a few experiences with racism has caused me. I just want to live peacefully in the country I was born, but that’s not possible if the people around me hate my very presence in their midst.
I am sorry that you have to endure such bad experience. I will have to endure if I were in your place.
Someone pointed out that I have a racist mind. May be I might have.
But I wanted to know was if I say I rice my DE the reader of my sentence got offended or not. The answer is yes, they are.
I thought I used the word as Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhanced. I didn’t directed the sentence specifically to Asian users. Also rice word is in my opinion not a racist slang. Malcolm Gladwell book Outliers has a chapter relating rice and we eat rice everyday. The rice word has more good associations to me.
Also most of the cars in my counties are Asian made (and Toyota is prestigious for JIT manufacturing). Again “ricing a car” word do not appear racist to me.
Same thing with the master word. We use the master word for other things. PATA cable and HDD configuration was done in master and slave drives. Good copy of cassette is called master tape. Key that can open many locks is called master key. Around my society we do not insult other people calling slave.
I assume I am new to racism than I am a racist.
Now I know more and I will avoid the usage.
I’m glad you never experienced this yourself, and hope you never will. It’s perfectly understandable that you don’t know something like this that you haven’t seen before, but I’m glad that now that you’re aware of the context, you’re willing to adjust your worldview to accommodate the new knowledge.
This entire conversation is honestly very Western centric, but I hope it can be useful to you in other ways as we continue adjusting the English terminology we use around technology going forward.
I’m Asian American. I’m offended by this word. In my experience, it has always been a racist perjorative every time it’s been used.
Like you mentioned in your other comment, you don’t have the American racial experiences with how this is used to understand why this hurts me, so I’d like to clarify that it does.
When repos changed to main from master, I got problems.
No you just harbor already racist attitudes. There are a non-trivial amount of people who dislike arbitrary, antiquated terminology used in computer science like “master/slave” “male/female” and of course “master branch.” Simply getting out your bullhorn and asking “who’s actually offended by this?” is demeaning to the issue at hand which goes much farther than just a historical analysis of racism.
Yeah, I remember thinking all of these terms were strange and creepy back when I first learnt them as a kid for goodness’ sake. They’ve always been bad and I’m very glad they’re finally going away.
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This is indeed the silliest debate.
I used the term master for years, never really thought about it. I think I assumed it was referring to a master key (from which other keys are copied), rather than anything to do with ownership of people.
Then some people felt offended by it because they interpreted it differently than I did.
So… I changed the word I used. Like, it was the easiest thing in the world to do. “Main” is fine too, rolls right off the tongue, and if it happens to make a group of people feel less discriminated against than that’s all the motivating I need.
I also changed my repos as I updated them. It was like two commands and maybe a couple of lines in a CI config file. Trivial, even for dozens of them.
Today I wonder what the big deal is. If it really is “just a word”, well… so is main. Both words. If the one we’re using isn’t actually important then why resist changing it?
Seems to me like active resistance is kind of an indicator that maybe it really was about the word all along.
Tbh - leader / follower is usually a better description vs master / slave.
Parent / child vs master / sub.
Main or final vs master
I don’t get all pissy about it but I was never comfortable with master & slave.
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I don’t agree. I work for a very large company with an ungodly number of repos and a huge CI build pipeline; today they have all been converted to “main”. It wasn’t that hard.
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When repos changed to main from master, I got problems.
People are hypersensitive over these words now.
Yeah, I don’t understand why people would start malding when repos changed from master to main. They’re just words after all.
I grew up with a racist uncle that rode a Harley, so hearing rice used like that is eyebrow raising for me. Everyone will have a different perspective though.
No Asians are.
This is more about power and control than racism.
Hi. Asian American here. I’m honestly offended by this term, and deeply offended by you assuming you can speak for me on this topic.
One of the top-rated replies so far is an Asian who expresses they are offended, so that can’t be right.
What power and control does this even give someone?
ACKTCHYUALLY, the people whom this issue affects don’t even care, it’s only white liberals making a big deal out of it!!
It’s fucked that they have to stand up and announce “yes I vouch that the Asian community is offended by this word”. It’s like having to ask a child to put their clothes in the hamper every single day after they get home from school. Can’t you just grow up and do it without having to be asked?
I’m white, and it’s a slur. I want it gone too. Can we just quietly put our slurs away without being asked already?
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the refuge of every bigot: "the people I’m being bigoted towards want power and control over me. it’s pure projection.
bravely commenting your garbage opinion on a burner~<3
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Not OP, but… Looking for things to be outraged about is not good for a healthy community.
Whoops… First “rice” I saw I thought to myself… Damn, that looks really nice.
ReallyN I
C EThought I had it all figured out. FML.
Sheesh, there sure are a lot of hexbear users here piling onto anybody with a different opinion
Edit: I went ahead and queried the lemmy database from a federated instance I have access to.
These are the top 3 instances commenting in this specific post at the time of writing (2023-08-25 08:02 UTC):
instance | count -------------+------- hexbear.net | 205 lemmy.ml | 106 lemm.ee | 61These are the top 3 instances and their comment counts on any post in lemmy.ml/c/unixporn this month at the time of writing:
domain | count -------------+------- lemmy.ml | 210 hexbear.net | 210 lemm.ee | 100You’re reading that right, hexbear has a whopping FIVE comments in this community that are not part of this post.
For the curious, those 5 comments at the time of writing are:
- https://hexbear.net/comment/3722672
- https://hexbear.net/comment/3749006
- https://hexbear.net/comment/3722165
- https://hexbear.net/comment/3722091
- https://hexbear.net/comment/3790117
One of which is especially hilarious as we see a hexbear user that’s been railing on people in this post using the very term they’re condemning here. Strong convictions? Perhaps bandwagoning the hexbear teet? Who knows. Definitely not suspicious 🙄
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Those different opinions being… using racist terms? Just to get that straightened up
Look ma, another one! Do you all take shifts on duty watching this thread?
Different opinions being challenging your collective definition of the word being inherently racist. You can hem and haw all you want but meanings can change over time. If it can start being used racially at one point it can surely stop at another.
Look ma, another one! Do you all take shifts on duty watching this thread?
This is my only comment in this thread. I clicked on this post because it showed up in my feed, simple as. Everyone who talks about hexbear brigading, piling on, or “taking shifts” doesn’t understand how federation works. Hexbear has been a highly active website with a large userbase for years now, so I don’t know what you would you expect to happen when a large discussion-based website shows content… the people on that website are going to discuss that content.
meanings can change over time. If it can start being used racially at one point it can surely stop at another.
This is true. But the group of people who get to decide whether or not something is racist is the group that is the target of that racism. White people don’t get to decide the n-word is no longer racist. Hetero people don’t get to decide the 3-letter f-word isn’t homophobic. And no individual gets to decide because it’s a cultural issue. Obviously meanings of words change and evolve, but they do so organically, and trying to force a racist term into regular usage and then say “it’s not racist anymore because I wasn’t intending to use it that way” is itself some really racist shit.
Everyone who talks about hexbear brigading, piling on, or “taking shifts” doesn’t understand how federation works.
Just because there are some users that stumble upon content semi-organically doesn’t mean brigading and piling on isn’t happening. I would hope you guys aren’t actually taking shifts. Hello hyperbole. And none of that indicates someone doesn’t understand how federation works, are you sure you understand how it works?
the group of people who get to decide whether or not something is racist is the group that is the target of that racism
They’re also the group that gets to decide if they’re offended/if something qualifies as racist toward them. You’ll notice OP never indicated if they were part of this group, and by them recently learning the roots of the term as it relates to the car scene I’d guess they’re not. Hello virtue signaling.
Hetero people don’t get to decide the 3-letter f-word isn’t homophobic
When it relates to homosexuality, I agree. When in another context, like… oh say British slang, it’s not at all. Context matters, that’s the whole point here.
trying to force a racist term into regular usage … is itself some really racist shit
I’m not going to concede your assertion that ricing in this context is racist. Nobody is forcing anything, ricing in this context has been a non racial term for as long as I’ve seen it used to describe customizing DEs. This is what something changing organically looks like. Unless you can point me to a source showing the term as it relates to linux was intentionally used to try to dull the racist origins in the car world you can go sit with the other hexbear virtue signalers in this post.
NEW POSTER REPORTING FOR DUTY!do you ‘‘different-opinion-havers’’ also take shifts whenever there’s a racist term to defend?
Why are you stirring up shit about a word that a majority of users associate with Linux modding? What number of people exactly know the old meaning? Is your teaching the people that it’s a racist word help anyway?
because it’s racist. learn to take mild criticism and adjust behavior. it’s not hard and it’s a basic part of living with other people.
They’re not the only ones calling y’all out. Stop defending using racist terms.
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Maybe a pretty popular food should not be used as a racist slang. You barking up the wrong tree bud
I just realized that “racer” with an Australian accent is “ricer” with an American accent. That makes it sound less mean.
Nah, I like the term.
It refers to early 00s car culture, a race car had all go no show, a ricer had all show no go. It’s just the next iteration of the term. And it’s pejorative to anyone who does that shit, not asian men. I have no idea where y’all got that idea from.
It also can refer to people using rice as a pejorative catch-all term for east Asian people. The next iteration of the term still continues its racist connotations. “Not just Asian men” is a deflection from its racist roots.
Never heard it being used that way
I’m glad you had the privilege of never experiencing that.
then it surely must never have happened!
Have you ever heard it as a blanket for Asian people? Never in my life. It’s always been about cars
Japanese cars, yeah?
Its a term invented to make fun of specifically Asian men customizing their cars. The implicit connotation is “your car is bad because it is customized for looks and not racing, like an Asian person would.” It shares the same roots as incels calling Asian incels ricecels.
You’re the only one using it for asian men
Oh no, you got me. I solo wrote the Wikipedia page describing the origins of the term and its racist roots and all the citations linked from there, especially the ones written before I was born. I’m also personally sock puppetting the dozen or so accounts telling you you’re wrong.
Or, and I know this will be a big stretch, you could change your wordview a single iota in response to new information and put forth the negligible effort to not use it anymore.
Rice burner != ricer
Its unbelievably funny how little you read
I swear these people spend more time learning ye olde slurs and making up new ones than actual racists.
All they want to do is change what we call stuff, its about having power and influence.
Getting people acclimated to obeying authority by starting with menial commands is a real thing. For it to work, the person doing it needs to have some authority and the commands actually have to be things that the other person won’t object to. Do these people have authority over you? Does changing how you talk about Unix desktops seems like a reasonable command to start that process?
Now, I have no problem with viewing random strangers as authority figures if that’s what you’re into, but it seems a lot more likely that you’ve used this idea of compelled-language-as-social-control as a thought-terminating cliche to justify not thinking about why someone might care about randos online using the word “ricing”. And to be fair, it seems like a weird use a mental energy if the point is to assert dominance, but at the same time, you’re the one engaging with it, so what does that say about you?
But they often have the ear of the authorities, (here its the mods), and thats nearly as good.
So you’re subjecting yourself to authority that you believe is acclimating you to do things against your will?
No, just complaining about people who try this stuff.
And tbh, I get sucked into internet arguments way too easily.
No, you’re just both racists and you feel extremely threatened by it, you don’t engage on good faith at all and instead on just preserving the status quo.
No, there are just a metric shit ton of English words and terms that hail from our very much more racist past, and we would like our speech to reflect our values and not the values of our KKK grandparents.
Some of us leave our rooms. Yes I’ve heard it a lot throughout my life. Not as much recently, but the newer generations seem to be more respectful. Not that the bar was very high for that.
Jesus fuck, where do you live where people are that racist?
Literally anywhere outside of major cities. I’ve experienced in your face racism in most places under at least half a million in population.
I’ve spent time in almost all 50 US states and they’re all pretty racist. So I don’t know where you’re spending time where racism isn’t a thing. Judging by your comments on here you’re most likely turning a blind eye to it.
A lot of goodhearted people also just seem to be completely ignorant of it too. Plenty of people will say something racist, say they’re not racist when you point it out, and immediately express deeply rooted racist opinions afterwards. But they’re nice to you right now, cause they’re too nice to be racist.
It’s also racist in car culture.
Okay, how? How does it discriminate based on race or ethnicity?
How does it NOT discriminate? Racial coding exists and if you don’t believe it exists then you’re a racist.
I mean it has clearly racist origins, but I’ve never actually heard it used in a racist manner in real life.
At least where I was, there were basically zero Asians, “ricers” were (typically but not exclusively) Japanese cars that were customized terribly, as someone else mentioned, all show and no go. You could have American ricers too.
The owners, the “rice boys”, were pretty much all white guys.
Asian American in car culture. There are real racist undertones even in modern use of the term. Don’t mistake your privilege of being ignorant of that for knowledge that it’s not true.
“My white friends and I used a racist term for each other that implicitly compares their cars to Asian ones perjoratively” is not necessarily the win you think it is.
When I was in seventh grade a classmate offered me a pull off a cigarette which I took. He then told me I had N***** lipped it. Does that magically become not racist as shit because we were both white and he used it to make fun of me?
Well, that’s not at all what I said. Japanese compact cars were generally pretty cool and affordable in a way most similar small American cars were not, so of course they get customized a ton more that their American equivilents.
The people who actually made their cars perform were the racers, those who did the truly terrible mods were the ricers.
Yes, racist due to stereotyping. But it was more wordplay for insulting the taste of the person in question in comparison to the racers, not their ethnicity or the origin of their car. Bad taste is pretty universal. And as with pretty much anything in language, people can and clearly have used it as a racial insult. I just don’t think that was it’s origin.
I am really amused it has morphed into a more positive connotation with the *nix crowd, while still meaning essentially the same thing. Language truly is a living thing.
I just stumbled over this discussion. Where I live, we often use „rice cooker“ for Japanese cars regardless of customization. One reason might be that customized Japanese cars are kind or rare here.
The reason for using it is usually is that the cars are technologically very advanced but not great to drive so they are as if you were driving a piece of kitchen equipment.
I mean it has clearly racist origins, but I’ve never actually heard it used in a racist manner in real life.
okay, so what? i have. now your anecdote is cancelled out.
do you ever get tired of pretending, or are you legitimately this stupid?
I mean it has clearly racist origins
So it’s racist then. Good, I’m glad that’s settled.
The term is definitely for cars that have had all the money spent on bling, that are as you say, not capable. All show, no go.
A mate of mine had a sleeper. The only thing you could see that gave it away was a small sticker that said “eats rice”.
It was a call to any rice to give him a try.
You can’t say sleeper, because it’s a pejorative for those with narcolepsy.
Its not a TexMex taco, its a Beaner taco… Its not a race car, its a beaner car… Substitute with any other racist name or description and its easy to see why its not ok.
Actually it’s from the 1970s. And yes you are right, it’s pejorative, and implies a particular ethnicity. Which is why it’s racist. You could say it’s a clunker for example, no ethnicity implied.
Imagine that you are blue. And we start associating blueberries, they happen to be the national dish of the blue ethnic group, with shit. And people start calling things they think are shit or not good “blueberries”, do you not think you would feel targeted? No one said “blue is shit”, but the coding is obvious to anyone with more than a half neuron.
Clunker really doesn’t come close to the cars it referenced though. Not trying to defend it’s use, I understand what everyone is talking about here. There really is no good replacement word though, which is frustrating. Like, that entire era of car culture came and went before many of us involved knew the word was racist (or at least before we were mature enough to care).
I know clunker isn’t sepcific enough, I was oversimplying for the sake of explaination. The crazy thing about language is that you can use multiple words together to describe complex concepts. Who’d have thunk!
That’s true, but we are lazy Americans - if we can’t describe something with two syllables or a 4 letter acronym, we give up (or apparently come up with something racist to refer to it instead…)
For the record, I’m not arguing against your points or trying to defend the words use.
A lot of you need your blood pressure checked
Im asian. I eat and like rice, even on my setups. I’m gonna keep using rice cause its not my fault yall western imperialists fuck shit up and dont wanna be reminded of it. also very western centric debate. Good job debate perverts.
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I kinda thought this conversation would eventually happen. I have mixed feelings on the subject but am generally inclined not to use the term myself as I find it distasteful. But I think there’s an important consideration for those who’d like to discontinue the term rice in this community: what language would we like to use instead? Specifically a good noun for referring to a given setup we’ve made. In therapy they teach you that stopping a behavior is a very hard thing to accomplish, and that instead you should always try to replace a behavior- I believe that idea is very relevant here
I’d be curious to hear people’s thoughts on what they’d like to use instead
I like:
- fryup + frying
- dish + cooking
I’m not active in the community these days but I might as well through some suggestions in the mix:
- splash (like a splash of paint)
- face
- tweek
- dec (like decorate, or decked out) or deq
I like the sound of decking, makes me think of the people who do cool mods on their steam deck!
“Decking” brought to mind someone punching someone else at first lol
Still, I’m still firmly on Team Toast NGL (context: someone here suggested the new term be toast, just because)
Or the sweet ass cyberdecks people build
None of it is as cool as rice
“nothing is good if I’m not hurting someone.”
Is anyone really complaining, or just afraid?
There is a difference between “I am not comfortable help me” and “you need to do as I say”.
Being open to other points of view is only good right?
And yet that is not the vibe, at all. I have only said … you do you. White knighting and telling others they are doing it wrong suppresses what should be a chill creative club.
Is anyone really complaining
Yes. The op is bothered by the use of casual racism. Many people in this thread are saying that racism bothers them. Does racism not bother you?
Being open to other points of view is only good right?
No some points of view are not worth considering. Bigotry and racism, just like the viewpoint that its good to eat your own excrement, are view points of no value.
White knighting and telling others they are doing it wrong suppresses what should be a chill creative club.
Wanting to not be exposed to racism and racist slurs is not white knighting. Just because this specific racial slur doesn’t target me doesn’t mean I am unaffected by it. It is called empathy. Even if I was a sociopath I would be against all racism because I don’t like to experience racism happening to me. I would be against the racist term “Ricer” because I don’t want to normalize any racially slur because I may be the next target.
Racists and offensive language are suppressive and any community supporting those things is not chill.
I am not looking to open your closed mode of thought. However, I’m afraid I have to disagree that
riceis racist. I have experienced actual racism; not imaginary, not potential, but real and dangerous, the full-throated embodiment of human hate. It is awful and traumatic.Some folks making cool desktop customizations and calling it
riceas a cyberpunk / counter-cultural hacker term is neither racist nor awful.Flip-side, this entire thread makes
riceeven cooler, now that there is a segment of people who have said “booo”, it will be all but entrenched.Personally, I like /c/unixporn/“Mah Desktop $ Shot”
“I refuse to change my offensive language despite people telling me it is offensive. I think I am cool because I am using abusive language to make people feel uncomfortable. I am proud of being exclusionary and my self worth is tied to being offensive to others.”
Curious they used the term “white knighting” because that term is forever tainted by gamergate chuds using it to disparage or dismiss anyone calling out misogyny and has a direct lineage to the term SJW. 🤔
I think we should call it “syrup”
“That’s some sweet sway syrup”, or “that gnome syrup is stallman af”
Lol, syrup would definitely be fun
Since Linus is Finnish, I’d propose we use “bread/bakers/baking” instead.
Actually in Finland we use “tuunaaminen”
“Tuning” is a pretty good one really, since it’s also a car modding thing, right? (I’m not good with cars.)
Yeah, it applies to both food and cars :)
We’ve got toasters, and now bread boxes? I’m in!
Also, I further suggest that “dots” now be referred to as “oats”.
[OC] awesomewm bread (oats in comments)
What about just “Dots” or “Dotfiles”, after all these are the main components that we share or seek in these posts.
Or “Toast”, not gonna expand on that I just like how it sounds funny.
I like toast honestly
+1 for Toast
You can also use “cooking” or a “dish” to describe a user submission. Then people can use food-related diction to comment on each other’s works. It’s just a suggestion, but it proves that there are solutions.
Huh, I was under the impression it was an acronym for Racing Inspired Cosmetic Enhancement or something along the lines of that. Parts that make the car look like a racecar but don’t actually help it perform any different.
It could totally be a backronym that was generated after it’s initial use though.
Oh, shit, I never thought of that. Thanks for pointing it out
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I’m going to continue using it.
bravely being a racist in line with social norms, our hero!
Sure, and I will lose no sleep.
Way to engage with the subject matter, no justification at all, nothing. You’re part of the problem you do know that?
My justification is most people don’t care. You would be hard pressed to find an Asian person offended by this.
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Hi. Asian American here. I’m offended by this. Please stop deliberately choosing to use terms that are hurtful to me.
I dont think you understood my comment.
The “most people don’t care” and the “find me an Asian person offended by this” are both non-talking points.
- You are in a thread about this exact issue, it seems that there are people who care, and you have to engage with that.
- So? Does that mean we should stop discussing this? How are we hard-pressed when this thread exists?
I didnt say “find me an Asian person offended by this”. I also didnt say you should stop discussing it.
You also didn’t say anything of note besides pulling your justification out of your ass. I have nothing to really discuss because you didn’t give anything worth talking about.
My justification is most people don’t care. You would be hard pressed to find an Asian person offended by this.
Source: trust me bro.
The thread question is “we should stop using this term” my reply was no. My justification is that most people don’t care. The term has been around modding communities for decades and used by people of all races. If it bothers you so much start using something else and then you can see how many people care enough to change.
people like you are why shit like this is impossible to change. thank you for doing your part to keep the world just that little bit more racist, shitbag
no cracker, you just don’t want to change so you pretend you not being offended means no one is
What is it with Commies and not being able to read? Nowhere did I say no one is offended by this. I said most people aren’t. I don’t care if a small amount of people are upset by it. It not realistic to change language on a large scale everytime a tiny tiny percentage of people get upset.
funniest thing i’ve heard today is implying commies don’t read ENOUGH
Way to ad hominem. You’re part of the problem of people not taking actual hateful language seriously. Most people do not want to be offensive, but being told every single day that something they said offends n=1 group of people will cause them to begin to tune it all out.
Ah yes, the good old “We have so many problems that its better to just ignore them than try to fix even one thing.” There is so much hateful language because even if you use a cartoonishly naive take that racism ended with the civil rights act, that is still almost 200 years of racism shaping the way we talk about things. It takes some time to undo 200 years of racists inventing terms and trying to pass them off with winks and nods. It will take a whole lot longer if we’re so lazy as to not even make the attempt.
How the fresh fuck is this even a thing still? Even back in the 90’s I heard dudes making gags about “Uncle Ben Hot Rods”. You know. RICE IT UP!
GET IT? They’re shitty race cars made by a shitty race who only makes cheap stuff!
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