My country banned smoking in all public indoor spaces almost 20 years ago. As a smoker at the time I thought it was ridiculous, felt that my rights were being violated and thought it would never last. The quality of life improvement it made is massive. Today I vape rather than smoke but wouldn’t dream of doing either indoors or being where someone else is. It was 100% the right move. Not quite the same thing but you sometimes can’t really understand the benefits of an alternative to the status quo, even if you understand it logically.
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Hate to break it to you: https://www.archpaper.com/2018/08/epa-asbestos-manufacturing/
They’re getting rid of silicosis protections now too.
Russia has a town named after asbestos and lobbies for asbestos.
Asbestos was used because of it’s flame retardation and it’s easy to make. Provided it’s properly encapsulated and does not become damaged risk can be mitigated. Preventing damage is the hard part, no one plans for a tree to fall on their house. Maybe if everyone just wears a air mask all the time we wouldn’t have to worry about it.
The mask really gets in the way of eating ass, though.
Provided the ass isn’t made of asbestos you should be fine to remove your mask.
Assbestos
Looks like you’re not familiar with the inside of my mask
A suppository is used to absorb nutrients or medicine into the body. Which brings me to my question: Can you eat ass with your butt?
Not without prosthetics.
Unfortunately that only produces the Infinity Turd™️ which is still under patent.
Marketing really missed an opportunity for “InfiniTurd” on that one.
Dude it was on the tip of my ass too, I originally had “Infinite Turd” but I thought give the people what they want, MCU
Asbestos is kind of a wonder material.
Easy to manufacture in complex shapes, inert (acid resistant, so great for chemical pipes), flame retardant, great insulator, and fairly cheap.
Shame that it causes really bad cancer…
Yea, but doesnt everything get damaged? And even if its while breaking it down when disposing/recycling/dumping it?
O.O
Absolutely would be, yes
Didn’t they have asbestos shovelling competitions? 1962 Right around the time major studies confirmed the concerns from a decade earlier:
1960s: Studies, particularly by Dr. Irving Selikoff in the U.S., showed clear links between asbestos exposure and mesothelioma, lung cancer, and other illnesses, prompting greater public health concern.
When seatbelts were introduced to cars, there was a big movement against them. Some by car manufacturers to keep costs down, but a lot of backlash was from good ol’ natural born idiots so contrarian and averse to change they’d let themselves die just to give a smug look about not doing what someone asked of them. The sort of dumbass who during the height of pre-vaccine Covid would drown in the fluid buildup in their lungs and refuse treatment because doing so would be an admission of fault.
These past 9 years have made me DEEPLY cynical about my fellow man. There is no bottom. No level of malicious stupidity is low enough. It’s not even disappointment anymore, I’m resigned to it. Some people are so beyond hope, so beyond redemption, it’s like trying to get a fucking deer to recognize itself in a mirror. Just ZERO awareness, no theory of mind, object permanence is a fucking coin flip. If it weren’t for my principles, my absolute refusal to engage in dehumanization, I’d be tempted to write them off as another species just to cope with the dissonance that comes from seeing people acting that self destructive. Like it doesn’t make sense. You’d expect at some point some form of pattern recognition and harm avoidance to develop. “Hey, putting my hand on the stove hurt. It hurt every time I did it. It hurt everyone I saw someone else do it too. I’m gonna put my hand on the stove and it won’t hurt this time.”.
I think there is a growing divide between the most and least intelligent in society, and it has been growing with tech advancement (the gap wouldn’t have been that big in the middle ages). If we ever develop superintelligent AI, I can see that becoming an inflection point in this divide because we (Lemmy dwellers) will become as fallible to that AI as the people you mentioned are today in what is still a human-dominated society. Introducing AGI will vastly exasperate the gap between the most and least intelligent and I can’t see society surviving that in its current form.
Not quite.
Tech’s facilitated a lot of things, but not a schism in intelligence. That requires systemic destruction of education systems, especially those that focus on critical thinking and comprehension.
No matter how smart you are, we’re still herd animals. Get enough loud drivers and it infects everyone.
Boomers have their odd naivete and emotional immaturity from intergenerational trauma, but Zoomers have something i consider worse - a self-righteousness that demands the appearance of purity and correct behaviour. It’s more important to be seen to say nothing wrong than do the right thing. It’s the weird US paradigm of posturing puritanism on steroids - and unfortunately the interconnectivity of the internet has facilitated that infection
I was annoyed about the seatbelt laws, but I was a little kid at the time. I came from an era of riding in the back of dad’s truck and enjoying the breeze. Hell, I went from New England to Canada in the back of a capped truck. I was eight years old and never thought anything of it.
However, as I got older into my teens I got more adamant about using a seat belt, even when the laws were still sorta gray here (you were let off with no warning most times). Now its second nature, even if I’m heading 3 mins to the store. Some people still don’t because they think that they’re only endangering themselves. Thing is, I have a brother in law that’s a first responder. He’s seen people torpedo out of windows in head-on collisions and into the other car, injuring the other driver/passengers.
Honestly, I don’t get what the whole problem is. You barely even notice them on you. Most people who don’t put on a simple and comfortable safety belt are just being fucking stubborn children who don’t like being told what to do. I’m glad I grew out of that way of thinking. Some my family are those “good ol’ natural borns”. They’ll tell me I don’t have to put my seatbelt on and every time I adamantly say, “I always do”. My other brother in law will literally crank the radio so he can’t hear the seatbelt alarm. Drives me insane, but I love the idiot.
Untethered occupants are a serious danger to other occupants in their own car. I wouldn’t agree to drive with someone who wouldn’t put one on tbh, partly because it hints at a lack of judgement and I wouldn’t want that person in charge of the car.
I hated them as a kid because they were uncomfortable and didn’t fit right. My mom made is wear it but I used to put the chest belt behind my back as soon as she turned around because it dug into my neck. I probably should have been in a car seat for way longer than I was. As an adult I don’t even notice it.
I enjoyed reading this. Well put. I also share this recent realization. It’s made me feel a bit less imposter syndrome. Among other things.
There are still people that buy “belt silencers” or sit on their seatbelts to drive without. Newer cars will alarm, and mine even shuts down if you drive without a seatbelt
I think those are mostly for super obese people because seat belts are really uncomfortable if you’re really, really fat. At least that’s what I always assumed because everyone I know who has one is really fat.
So dying is better than being uncomfortable…
My sister’s boyfriend bought an oldtimer with no seatbelt. The previous owner installed some and he took them out again. I think there is nothing that brings him more joy than to tell people how he doesn’t need a seatbelt. He also drives his children around in this deathtrap. But he also refuses to wear a helmet when they ride their ebike. My sister nagged so long about it that he now takes the helmet with him, but he doesn’t wear it, that’s the compromise they reached. Some people are just fucking weird.
Seen bumper sticker: No air bags, we die like men.
To be fair, I find that funny.
I assume it’s sarcastic, but you never know
Is he signed up to be an organ donor?
The use of it in the US was banned only last year and I’m not aware of there having been such movement.
Donald Trump has already called asbestos “100% safe”. His cultist followers will eagerly become pro-asbestos if he tells them to. And he will tell them to if someone pays him enough to tell them so.
They are already lead infested and thus dumb enough to believe anything Cheeto Benito says.
At least using asbestos has some value. If we had not found alternatives we would still be using it. One reason measures were taken to improve safety in manufacturing rather than just banning from the get go was lack of alternatives. What im trying to say is pro-asbestos is not as coocoo crazy as anti vax and such.
We do have alternatives to vaccines though:
You simply ban abortion and sex education which increases the birth rate and therefore it doesn’t matter that a few babies die from preventable illnesses.
Damn, take my vote in any presidental election.
It’s still pretty bonkers to know something will kill you if you use it, and we just ignore all the science.
I’m full of microplastics but I keep buying food and drink packaged in plastic _(--)/
Sometimes there’s just no realistic alternative. As nice as it would be to only buy fresh, unpacked food I don’t have the time, money or energy to deal with that
EDIT: oh no, the Lemmy markup has ruined my shrugging face :(
You know, there’s a certain amount of gold in everyone’s body, some think of ways that could be harvested after we die, they’re thinking way too small. I’m going for the recyclable plastics!
That would be tobacco.
Asbestos is not dangerous when it is in a solid form and left alone, which is the vast majority of the use cases. It becomes dangerous when it is damaged, since that lets the fibers into the air. That is why in residential areas we leave it alone, but if it needs to be removed then hazmat type safety equipment is required. We leave it alone, which is the normal use, because removing it is the unsafe situation.
Asbestos should be banned for anything other than extremely well regulated industrial situations that may need it like any other hazardous material.
These kinds of nuanced scientific assessments don’t do well with the far left in the Fediverse. They’ll take you to be a shill for Big Someone. One day, we’ll live in a world free of chemicals!
You must be a shill for Big Shill!!
It’s the top of the shill ladder.
Water will kill you if you don’t use it with care, but everybody older than a baby uses it despite clear science on how deadly it is.
The relevant question is can we mitigate risk enough.
Risks and benefits. There are very few severe adverse reactions to vaccines. Yet some will die after receiving one. Do we now allow infectious disease to kill and maim instead? No, we weigh the risks.
If we can get the same benefit with lower risks, like asbestos replacements, we do that. Still better than dying in a fire, though.
yeah exactly what I was getting at. While we did not have good alternatives we kept allowing its use with regulation to make it as safe as possible but then as alternatives became available its usage was increasingly curtailed which is why it took so long to ban. Although just in time since I would not be surprised if todays health agencies recommended adding it to breakfast cereals.
100% of people who have come into contact with water will die.
LOL, libs are trying to ban asbestos! They want us all to catch fire! Asbestos causing cancer is a conspiracy, do your own research. Besides, Ivermectin will cure any cancer caused by asbestos.
/s (because the USA is crazy and someone would really post this and mean it)
Post it on reddit, and that will end up as a google AI recommendation next week.
Asbestos is a great way to prevent the glue on your pizza from catching on fire !
I can see them railing a line of asbestos just to own the libs. Better than vaccine denial I suppose, at least it limits the damage.
A guy I went to HS with definitely did this one time on a dare. A piece of insulation fell out of the kiln in shop class n another kid smashed it n told this kid he’d give him $5 to snort it. No one thought he would, but this dude absolutely railed it. Someone asks the shop teacher later what the tiles were made of and he says asbestos mostly, but it’s fine as long as you don’t mess with it. 💀
I keep checking on his Facebook every couple of years to see if lung cancer got him. So far, he’s still kicking lol.
Trumpers would start eating asbestos for breakfast just to pwn the libz
“Don’t Tread on Mesothelioma”
Steve McQueen would be their hero. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_McQueen#Illness_and_death
Until lemmy gold is a thing please have these medals, I wish I could offer more: 🏅🏅🏅🏅🏅🏅
We can let Reddit go, I think.
It would be nice to have the equivalent of a super like that’s not tied to anything. Maybe a once a day thing. Could be easily misused by people like me with a shot load of alts though so maybe it doesn’t federate?
Nah man, it’s over. You’re free.
Yep.
Why try to re-create a cess pit?
Gosh, Don’t tread on me-sothelioma
We were here when history was made
Indexed by google (not bing or ddg’s array of crawlers yet) now.
DDBing (DDG) hates quotation marks, exact match searches, and is slow to crawl. Google’s right quick, impressive.
Thank you 🫡 was interested to see that
People would be making TikTok videos eating asbestos and cramming it up their bums claiming it cures COVID
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They would huff that shit claiming its so great.
