I wouldn’t say Lemmy is much better though… It’s just Reddit but not on Reddit.
removed by mod
since we’re allegedly allowed to talk about this here, what was your stance on the 2024 election (if you’re american)? I’m gonna be honest, I still don’t understand how people came to the conclusion that Trump would have been better for helping Gazans.
removed by mod
Lemmy feels a lot more like old reddit.
New Reddit feels artificial. The written content posts LOOK like they’re from AI. Much of the subreddits are now curated. You can’t say Luigi.
Here, it’s a bit of a wild west. And that’s okay.
There isn’t much written content posts. But the comments? I’m loving it. It comes off genuine. Human. Real. Even the shitty ones that make me want to downvote but damn do I somewhat see their perspective.
Thank you for yours!
Lemmy users are not better… but Lemmy is.
Apt
install
It has a similar problem, but a better version of it.
From my point of view, Lemmy creates its bubble just by being friendly to one subset of views and hostile to another; and so people with some subsets of views don’t feel welcome - and they leave. This creates a kind of bubble effect; but I’m ok with that - because frankly there are some views that I really don’t want to see here anyway. Having diversity of views is good, but establishing social norms about what is acceptable or unacceptable isn’t necessarily a bad thing either.
On the other hand Reddit (in addition to the above effect) also has a big dose of top-down enforcement. Effectively it has a small hidden group of people who can control what everyone else is allowed to say. They can ban certain words and sentiments; and use techniques like shadowbanning or just algorithmic demoting to reduce the influence of stuff they don’t like. So they get a bubble as well, but the bubble can be guided and influenced by the people who control the platform. For my point of view, that makes it worse.
Lemmy.ml bans you for shit and giggles, basically if you don’t agree that murderous dictators are the future, you will very likely be banned. If you’re new to Lemmy and happen to stumble upon .ml first (and are not a red fascist), you’ll get the same treatment.
Lemmy.ml is still a big instance, so chances of this happening are pretty high.
removed by mod
I read that as “murdering dictators is the future” and was like… I’m not all caught up on .ml, but I didn’t think they’d be down with murdering dictators. Then I realized I read it wrong.
Changed it to murderous to avoid confusion, it did read a little weird.
The censorship and Napoleonic complex moderators on lemmy.world are nearly as bad as reddit
Removing posts of non news articles being posted to the news comms isn’t censorship.
Removing non-US politics posts posted to a US politics comm is not censorship.
Removing political memes posted to a non-political meme comm is not censorship.
Removing posts of something other than micro blogs to the microblogs community is not censorship.
Removing posts that break the clearly posted rules of the community is not censorship.
JFC… 🤦♂️
Removing posts of news articles you don’t agree with and calling them “non news articles” is censorship. Removing political posts and calling them “non-US political posts” is censorship. Removing memes based on political ideation is censorship. Removing a quote from FDR for pedantic reasons is censorship. Overly oppressive community rules and moderation is censorship.
Sad to see you advocating for censorship on here. 🤷
None of that is going on in the picture posted. Just because you’re butthurt about your posts being removed for not following the simplest of rules doesn’t mean you are being censored.
Wrong again. You wouldn’t be able to judge any of that because you haven’t seen what I posted and you’re simply talking out of your ass and siding with the moderators and towing the pro-censorship line.
You realize the mod log is public, and I as well as anyone else can definitely see what you posted, right?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14595043/China-unveils-vicious-new-AI-roasting-fat-lazy-Americans-tariffs-chaos-continues.html Explain to me how this isn’t a news article then. Trash article? Sure. It literally has /news/article in the hyperlink though.
lol. Talks about news then post a daily mail link, my guy that isn’t news that’s propaganda no wonder they said no, un-twist your panties
IIRC that community has strict ideas about what sources are allowed, and the moderation is consistent about enforcing that even if the written rules are vague. Not sure why people are saying dailymail isn’t a news source just because it’s low quality. A bad news outlet is still a news outlet. So the mod should have given a better reason for removing it, but I agree with it being removed.
dailymail
…
If you want to see real censorship on Lemmy, look no further than to your own instance admins where rightfully calling out RT as Russian propaganda gets removed or even just expressing that the EU has a genuine security concern to having Russian and Chinese militaries on their doorstep
And much much more on [email protected]
About your example: You know you could “rightfully” call out all the US mainstream news papers US imperialist and fascist propaganda and owned by the oligarchs? And then endlessly repeat that.
So “just asking” why anybody would read any article that is obviously from another geopolitical rival is “just presuming” that US news papers are neutral and trustworthy in comparison. And that is fascist speech which is fascist recruitment. Parsing RT doesn’t make you pro-Russia.
:-/
The nature of social media. Moderation takes time and energy (which amount to money). As a community grows larger, the moderators either need to increase their moderation costs or get draconian with their enforcement to reduce the expense.
Reddit is just the Late Stage of this phenomenon. If Lemmy continues to accrue users and follow the Reddit trajectory, where else can it end? I fully anticipate it’ll either go full /r/The_Donald with fascist bot-accounts spamming up every channel (a la “Nicole” spam mentioned in the pinned post). Or we’ll see mods do full instance purges of anyone suspected of any violation of any rule (perhaps even automating the process or turning it entirely over to an in-house AI) because there’s no Lemmy budget to do what Facebook or Reddit tried initially (turning moderation over to sweatshops in the Philippines or wherever labor was cheapest).
Smaller communities speed ran this transformation. Voat imploded inside a year or two. Chapo/Hexbear ate itself over the course of a couple years. TruthSocial is all just botspam now. Some of the smaller instances in Lemmy have imploded to the same effect. This instance has a rather large and active modding community. But it comes for us all in the end.
Also the tankie triad
Also blahaj
Also feddit
Also .ee
True, but it also reminds us what happens when someone on Lemmy gets downvoted, reported and banned for having their own valud standpoint, which is not accepted by the majority of us.
We should keep in mind that we are prone to making the same mistake.
In many ways Lemmy is so much worse the echo chamber than Reddit ever was.
Have you been in reddit lately, not even close
A leftist/socialist/communist/Linux echo chamber is always better than a liberal one.
@ me
Lemmy and any social media platform that bans or censors because the post or comment contradicts the majority is wrong. By majority I mean those using that specific social media platform. In many cases that majority opinion is actually NOT the majority opinion of society as a whole.
If you are looking for closed communities like conservatives and ml then yea they don’t allow much disagreement against them. They are there because reddit banned them at some point for the same thing
In many cases on social media the “majority” opinion is crafted by external entities.
Except for Luigi. They couldn’t control that one.
Happened to a ton of trans people on .blahaj
The 196 community didn’t like the rule that forced them to repsect a troll that was using the gender “dragonfucker” to mock and invalidate real gender identities and sexualities.
Instead of banning a single troll they banned dozens of users off the most popular community on blahaj and triggered the community to make a 196 community on .world
triggered the community to make a 196 community on .world
Triggered the mods to try to move the community to .world without even asking the community members first
I am still convinced ‘Drag’ legitimately has dissociative identity disorder and isn’t a troll in the sense of … ‘i am in full control of my faculties and choose to act as caricature to
sewsow chaos’…But yeah, that whole… thing… was fucking bonkers.
I’m banned from about 180 subs because a mod here decided he didn’t like my version of reality.
Everytime I post and I’m told I’m banned from whatever community I never posted in before I block that sub.
Why would I want any part of a sub that blindly and aggressively censors opinions they don’t agree with? That would be stupid, so I leave them to their bubble
What’s your version of reality?
We are, but at the same time having parallel communities helps with that
[email protected] mods are regularly featured in [email protected] , which leads more and more people to alternatives like [email protected]
Lmao it’s like the ancient https://www.reddit.com/r/KarmaCourt/ except real, i love it
Enjoy, lot of things happening there
I wonder what percentage of your comments are about pushing people off of LW.
LW mods generally don’t have more than one major community. It’s not a rule, but we have made a bit of an effort to avoid reddit-style supermods.
- [email protected]
- [email protected] : https://lemmy.zip/post/35932658
- [email protected] : https://lemmy.zip/post/36097431?scrollToComments=true
- [email protected] :
But yeah, sure, keep pushing an agenda while [email protected] is featured in YPTB every week:
don’t have more than one major community.
Same mod on
- [email protected]: 17.8K users / month
- [email protected]: 16.5K users / month
So what? At least they’re not tankies.
You realize that is a textbook ‘whataboutism’, right?
I think that is their main feature. To cut off the fringes of leftism and socialist ideas so it has a nice round and smooth bottom
Framing the Overton Window.
A feature for some, an anti-feature for others.
We are, but at the same time having parallel communities helps with that
Does it though? Seems to me that we just end up with two echo chamber communities where there’s no cross pollination of ideas and no challenges to our viewpoints. It’s good that people still have a place to interact but self segregation along ideological lines isn’t healthy for anyone over the long term.
As an example it’s why I’m still subscribed to communities over on .ml. They challenge my base reality and expose me to viewpoints that I wouldn’t consider on my own.
As an example it’s why I’m still subscribed to communities over on .ml. They challenge my base reality and expose me to viewpoints that I wouldn’t consider on my own.
So it’s working?
I wouldn’t call .ml and hexbear or similar as broadening your horizon, it’s a very insular community that does not allow dissent. And often resemble their conservative counterparts.
So it’s working?
How so? I’m having to go out of my way to find and engage with people who have alternate viewpoints & lifestyles because they tend to get pushed out of / banned from “regular” communities. That’s the exact problem being discussed here.
In the broader context of the meme itself people start thinking they are in the majority because they are participating in online communities that have been carefully curated over time to silence anyone who disagrees.
In what way do you have to ‘go out of your way’ to interact with ml or hex?
Are… they not federated with your instance?
If yes, they’re not federated, then you did that to yourself, by joining an instance that doesn’t show their posts and communities to you.
If no, they are federated… then just sort set your feed from local to global, and you’ll see their posts in their communities pop up.
… The entire point of the federation model is to allow each user to determine … basically how much of a bubble they want to be in.
You may determine a whole instance is full of nutcases in a bubble, and avoid them… or you may not think that, and retain the ability to interact with them.
Generally speaking… you can pretty much join whatever instance you want, and in so doing, you are accepting the instances that are federated with your own instance, and rejecting the instances your instance admins have defederated from.
Piefed has a feature where there are collection of communities, so you dont have to chose if you dont want to. Its very nice: https://piefed.social/topic/tech
Pifed is amazing besides the lack of apps.
You can always join (or even create) a different instance that federates in a way more aligned with your values.
People say that but if you’re not a tech bro good fucking luck figuring out how the hell to create an instance.
That happened to some people in a community I used to run then I moved it to [email protected] where the rules are different. We are decentralised so if people get censored in one place they can move to another. The fediverse is a true embodiment of freedom and the marketplace of ideas.
To me the Bitcoin and crypto subs were a really weird place. Like 1 in 10 are long term investors and the rest are like “lol just wasted my grandparents savings I’m done. And just 20.”
Isn’t that like wsb most of the time, they act like nothing biggie. Alot of them are rich or trolls
The futurism sub was the fucking weirdest, at least for a really popular front-page sub. Every other post in there is some kind of bizarre prayer to the machine god or something. There are literally people in there planning for how they’re going to use all their free time and wealth once they gain access to some kind of digital messiah AI that they think is going to emerge sometime in the next several years (or the last several years, they’re really loose with predictions) and when it does, it will grant them and everyone else god-like powers to play the stock market and become fabulously wealthy and immortal.
None of that is a joke. When asked about how literally everyone can become wealthy, they usually just pile on you for being “narrow minded” and make references to how a very small number of people back in the 80’s doubted the internet was going to be a big deal.
The AGI predictions crack me up. “Full AGI 2026”. It’s always a year away.
Singularity lol, any ai sub sucks if you were actually curious about technical info and its progress, they only would post sensationalized shit like full ai generation, nothing interesting like how davincis dropping ai magic mask, which should compete with ai plugins for adobe after effects, no idea if they drop a colormatching one but if they do resolves even more peak than it already is
Always underestimate how many morons are outside the bubble.
That’s literally all of the Internet, not just Reddit. Everyone putting themselves in echo chambers and tuning everything else out. Modern Internet is just people wanting to be told they’re right and be showered with worthless affirmations.
I disagree.
Well, you’re wrong. And this is the internet, and you’re not allowed to be wrong, so…
I’m 14 and this is deep.
The reddit sub teachers had a post recently where a mod was bragging about banning anyone who questioned the post. They were being bombarded with approving comments. Why bother with the post then? It is basically masturbation at that point. “Ooooh, I feel better now! I didn’t get even slightly challenged. Next post…”
Lol, tell that to the hexbear and .ml servers. My God, they’re worse than anything reddit ever did.
What could be worse than rampant racism and child porn?
Tankies, yeah, it’s definitely tankies!
deleted by creator
Well I’ve never been harassed, doxxed, and threatened to be murdered by racists or pedophiles simply because I disagree with them. Only tankies and fascists would do that.
Yeah, racists would never harass or threaten people…
You haven’t ever been doxxed period, and racists have harassed killed and doxxed even for minor shit, unless your definition of fascist is very liberal
Sure it was an attempted doxxing because they’re incompetent. I’m well aware of the evils on the internet and do a decent job remaining anonymous.
Tankies have killed as many people as the Nazis, actually more. Much more deaths attributed to tankies than racists could ever dream to commit.
Why are you defending tankies?
Tankies have killed as many people as the Nazis, actually more. Much more deaths attributed to tankies than racists could ever dream to commit.
I too love to make unsourced claims that minimize the evil of the Nazis.
Knowledge is power, friend.
Ah, so you’re very sneakily using inconsistent metrics to downplay the Nazis, counting every death that resulted from the policy of communists, but only counting direct and deliberate killings by Nazi Germany.
In other words, you are doing deliberate Nazi apologism.
Tankies have killed as many people as the Nazis, actually more.
Good, fuck them Nazis. Also fuck them tankies. If you’re in the fringes, you’re likely a monster. That’s not exactly a hot take, lol.
I’m not, and I dont care who killed more people, why are you defending racists?
I’m not, all I was saying is that tankies are worse than racists.
Edit: they’re equally as evil as Nazis IMO.
agreed
I visit .ml and while I do occasionally get cross threaded with them they are, overall, not terrible. Yes some of the people associated with their instance can be over the top but by and large they are just people with a different viewpoint.
I tried to do the same with hexbear but ultimately couldn’t, which may be my problem more than theirs.
I’m fairly left on the political spectrum, probably further than most, but hexbear and a lot of .ml are left to the max, as in they’re tankies. I can’t stand right-wingers much, but tankies are worse by a large margin.
Shit, they attempted to harass and dox me when I offered an opinion that didn’t agree with their very rigid worldview. I kept poking at their stubbornness then they banned me. I’m a stubborn SOAB myself.
Now I’m questioning if I should continue to use this platform. I’ve definitely started using it less since then, knowing that this platform is run by tankies.
deleted by creator
I agree, I’m not a neo-lib, I’m a demsoc.
deleted by creator
I genuinely don’t get why y’all use this as an insult. Liberal has been bastardized from its original roots of pretty much modern day libertarianism, which is a deeply unserious party. Not even corrupt neolibs compare to that.
Here’s where you might get me, I don’t see us transitioning into a socialist system without excessive violence, unless we use capitalism to get us there. I don’t want violence that’s undue, I don’t want the death of innocents, and I don’t want authoritarianism from a single fallible person. Corruption is always the ruining factor of any ideology.
I fail to see how those views qualify me as a liberal, not even a neolib.
.
No dawg, you’re thinking of socdems. Which are still better than tankies.
.
I’ve had the same experience. Hexbear won’t accept any nuance when it comes to Palestine or homeless people.
Not necessarily, they resemble the way conservatives comments way too much, I avoid it as much as possible. They use the same things right wingers use to prove a point
You should worry more about the content of what people say, not the form.
Checkout [email protected]
It’s not just people with different viewpoints, the admins are actively pushing an authoritarian agenda and censor any dissent against those views. And I have a bunch documented on that comm of the shenanigans they get up to. .ml is more subtle about things than the rest of the Tankie Triad (Hex and Grad) to avoid larger calls of defederation, but they absolutely share the same Authoritarian “ideology”
That’s why they sound like conservatives
Reddit nurtured /r/jailbait, r/coontown /r/rape and /r/thedonald. Just sayin’
creepshots, incels in general like that whole community, redpill, etc.
deleted by creator
Incels were wild to watch playout (theyd get brought up in comments occasionally and id go peek), they had woman in the group originally but then they said femcels werent real, then some dudes tried hookers and even they rejected them becuase of like hygiene issues, like bro not taking a shower isnt involuntary
On reddit femcels are just men mascarading as women on the sub
like bro not taking a shower isnt involuntary
Ouch 😅
I mean specifically before seeing a prostitute, be depressed at home in peace you can miss a day lol
No no, it’s fine, I just found it funny how spot on you were
Fatpeoplehate was also a trip to watch play out
Oh yeah, that one was unbelievably toxic. Most fascinating was that many of its posters were self-hating overweight people.
I’m all in for discarding opinions. As long as who post them can argue in a civil maner, show souces and accept objective data.
Totally agree. As soon as you see name calling you know the person is a clown. And “I think” or “I feel” is not undeniable facts. I will disagree with “objective data” which sounds like not accepting the source. Forget the source. Something is either true or it isn’t.
Banning is just an administrative action. The sentiment behind it is just as present on lemmy and everywhere else. Social forums tend to turn into echo chambers as ordinary users, who don’t have ban power but wish they did, use downvotes to suppress whatever they don’t agree with.
It sure is too bad the communities on the Fediverse aren’t acting in a meaningfully different way…
Nah, we ban fascists cause fascists are asshole losers who only want to be taken seriously.
deleted by creator
I got called a fascist for saying genocide against Jews is just as bad as genocide against Palestinians. Apparently it’s fascist now to be against fascist things
EDIT: For proof, see downvotes on this comment. I genuinely can’t tell you which platform is more unhinged, this or reddit. Both are special places for special people
Wording matters. In the face of countless ‘both sides’ rhetoric, this can be interpreted as ‘equal harm is presently being done to Israelis and Palestinians’.
Wording does matter, but so does personal responsibility to digest those words and understand what is attempted to be communicated, not just recognizing a pattern and turning your brain off the second you see think you see a pattern
3 downvotes proves nothing
I imagine you yelling this into a chamber and literally listening for the echo.
Imagine he got banned from reddit for saying the same thing, trolling and spamming
I mean, it’s really no different on here. Giant echo chambers.
And by choice. Uh, a user has a different opinion than me by about 2 %? BLOCKED FOR LIVE MOTHRFUCKER
Agreed. Is there any Lemmy group where left, right, and center can discuss issues without some resorting to name calling?
The issues the right care about are Haitians eating cats and dogs. How do you not call them idiots?
deleted by creator
There aren’t Lemmy groups where left, right, OR center can do that
agreed
Right isn’t welcome here at all. I’m center and this place is hostile as fuck.
Honestly I think that isn’t an issue with any one platform so much as it is one of the biggest successes of the extreme right. By being obnoxiously loud, openly self contradictory and everywhere in the media the extreme right has succesfully portrayed themselves as being representative of the entire right wing. This leaves the moderate right isolated, less likely to co-operate with the centre or left on issues where they might agree, and more likely to embrace the extreme right.
TLDR: Firehose of falsehood works even better when it splashes on the guy next to you.
I don’t know of any place people can discuss issues without name calling.
Of course you don’t, you shoe.
Moccasin behaviour, fr.
Agreed
We’re a smaller chamber but a lot more echo.
We’re a smaller chamber but a lot more echo.
echo…echo
Best comic.
