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    The three biggest things that kill a tyre are;

    • shitty roads
    • aggressive driving
    • heavy vehicles (like EVs and oversized SUVs)

    That said, cheaper tyres are typically made of cheaper compounds that age poorly.

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        Not quite, something like 98% of road damage is caused by trucks. Damage increases exponentially with weight.

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          Passenger cars are getting heavier Light trucks (SUVs) are now being driven in lieu of compact station-wagons.

          Vehicle classes are also getting larger and heavier. Subcompacts that used to weigh less than 1000kg are now about 1500kg and EV variants are over 2000kg!

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            I am talking about 40.000kg trucks. Anything below 3.500kg is basically harmless (in comparison).

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              It depends on what the roads were built for.

              If they are built to handle 1500kg passenger cars, 3500kg behemoth SUVs and Pickups can really do some damage, especially at speed.

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                I don’t know of any road built for 1.500kg cars. Most are 40t, with some 12t and very few narrow and old ones with 3.5t (and usually have a 30 km/h limit).

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      Never buy cheap tires - they are your only contact with the road. You can have the best car in the world, and shitty tires will make it worthless.

      There are videos on the subject, making the point of buying good tires, cause they will save your life.

      Engineering Explained video

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      EVs are getting their own lines of tyres (supposedly) designed to handle the weight, torque and address range concerns.

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      That last point sticks with me.

      I always used to get the cheapest, shittest tyres just because cost, but since I became a driving instructor a few years back I got into the mentality of thinking “I need decent tyres because I don’t want my learners to lose control of the car”

      Normally I’d buy tyres once every 6-8 months after squeezing out every morsel of life from them, but my current Bridgestone tyres have been on for nearly a year now - doing driving instructor mileage on top of my usual - and they’re not showing any signs of needing replacing yet.

      The fact is I’m actually saving money doing it this way, because whilst the tyres are more expensive, I’m replacing them much less often.

      I’m going to try out Pirelli next because it sounds like they’ve started lining the inside of some of their tyres with that puncture repair stuff and padding them out with foam to significantly reduce road noise.

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          Yeah I put 30k+ miles on the car just doing instructing, then I often also drive when I go on holiday, putting at least a good 500-600 miles on the car if I go away on the weekend (which is often).

          I’ve had dedicated works vehicles which I’ve put fewer miles on the clock 😂

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          They did mention being a driving instructor. Driving (and teaching students to drive) all day every day is going to put a lot more wear on the tires than a typical driver.

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        Obligatory Pratchett:

        The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money.

        Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles.

        But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that’d still be keeping his feet dry in ten years’ time, while the poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.

        This was the Captain Samuel Vimes ‘Boots’ theory of socioeconomic unfairness.

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          I’ve carried that with me for years. I always try to buy long-lasting quality items for this very reason.

          Not to mention that, due to inflation, those ten dollar boots themselves will cost 20 to 30 dollars before long.

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      Under inflation is terrible for longevity, handling, and safety. You should maintain proper tire pressure.

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        So is over-inflation. Always inflate to the correct pressure as per the placard. If you are driving in unusual conditions,

        My little Jimny weighs bugger-all but needs Light Truck tyres. On-road pressure is a very light 26 PSI. If I am driving through Sand, Mud or Snow I will deflate to an appropriate pressure and drive slowly. If I am driving over rocky terrain, I will also deflate to an appropriate pressure for better adhesion.

        As soon as I hit the Tarmac again, I will reinflate back to 26. If I am carrying more weight or towing, I will inflate the rear tyres to 29.

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      Well yes it’s ridiculous we have (in EU) a mandatory warranty of only 2 years on anything electronic.

      Phones should be 5 years. Appliances should be 10 and cars 15 or 200k kilometers. How have we normalized the fact that it’s okay for a car to break down after two years and the manufacturer is not on the hook ?

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      Plenty of short-lived stuff back then, too. Survivorship bias means that all the stuff that happened to survive to today is not necessarily representative of the typical thing that was manufactured back then.

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    Now, this is the trading standards that we all ask for; not “be more racist” or repeal the protection on lgbt. Christ, American fascism is the weirdest i have seen. Fascism in the past didn’t even try to dictate the laws and regulations of other countries.

    • 𝓔𝓶𝓶𝓲𝓮
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      I don’t even understand what fascism means in each case on lemmy and whether it is a fixed term or some adaptive catch it all

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        The definition I find useful is, Fascism is when an imperial power begins applying colonial policies to citizens in its core.

        So, for a practical example, the United States has used extra-judicial black sites to disappear and torture people the CIA/pentagon deem enemies for decades. Locking up people in El Salvador without (constitutionally mandatory) trial or legal council is just that policy brought home.

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        What exactly is there to dispute with a government that is trying to carve a unitary executive out of a 3 branch system, admires Nazis, has ties to actual neo-Nazis and leaders who have literally seig heiled, and is currently turning an agency into the gestapo and deporting anyone he wants to concentration camps?

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        I usually go by Umberto Eco’s points but some scholars added their own. By and large, most agree that aspects such as militarism, demonization of out-groups, belief in a strongman authority figure, and lack recognition of civil rights and liberties are key characteristics of fascism. Trump 2.0 has most if not all the characteristics of fascism. Even now, Trump refuses to comply with court orders, has police harass and grab people without lawful warrant, demonizes out-groups and threatening military action.

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            Yes, because then you have to recognize a lot of communists as fascist. Dessalines won’t like that.

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            There are scholarly consensus already. It is not controversial. Unless you are trying to muddy the water.

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              Scholarly consensus that some president is fascist?

              Fascism is a precise term for a specific political movement. not some “I don’t like this” adjective

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                Trump is the president who happens to be the leading figure of MAGA movement and Project 2025, which are unquestionably fascist movements, and seeing as how his administration deliberately ignore court rulings and thereby undermining civil liberties, which is the key characteristic of fascism.

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                  key characteristic of fascism

                  That’s not true and even a glance at first encyclopaedia you can get your hands on can disprove this. This is a very broad characteristic of many ideologies such as Bolshevism

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    We really need to stop with this “build to break” mentality for products. Our wastes, as humanity, would significantly lower and reduce wastes…. But hey, we also have to think of the investor’s, right?

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    When buying future appliances, I have to be sure to get them from the EU. Standards in the US are going to be below the floor.

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      Prepare to pay out the ass for that though. Between tariffs and a weakening dollar.

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        Why? We don’t buy products like this from the US. If its imported its coming from China.

        Quick edit: I clearly misread the comment you replied to

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        If you are in the EU yourself it’s not that bad. All my appliances are actually made in Germany, and they were mid-price (BSH and Liebherr, a bit more expensive than chinese/korean but with better efficiency, warranties and reviews).

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    That feels like a move on the slippery slope from a market economy to a planning economy.

    The objective is honorable, but better value should come from customer choices, not from regulations.

    Instead of making those rules and establishing institutions that enforce them, the EU should create infrastructure that allows consumers to compare products objectively. Add the opportunity to finance more expensive but also more durable products easily and there is no need to suffocate everything in regulations.

    I should add that this recreates the limited housing markets for consumer goods. This is going to make life more expensive despite each rule being very reasonable. The promise of the EU were free markets, but the opposite is happening.

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      Well you either have a plan to help people or the plan automatically devolves to “extract as much rent as possible from the people”.

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        Yes, and that’s why competition is needed so that the ‘as much rent as possible’ is minimized. I am not arguing against a helpful society. We don’t exchange goods for compassion but for money so we need competition.

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          We don’t exchange goods for compassion

          We actually do that all the time. Altruism takes many forms. Or if you wanna be a nerd you can call it Mutual Aid.

          Edit: sorry I’ll stop pecking at you, it also took me a long time to deprogram from “Keynesian/Chicago economics is 100% right about human behavior.”

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            I wouldn’t mind switching to a society that is built on altruism. My point is that the EU is not an inherent benevolent government. These regulations will be abused and I believe that there would be less abuse if we spent the resources on infrastructure that allows the consumers to make better decisions.

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      Ah, the dream of a libertarian paradise.

      The promise of the EU were free markets

      Free as in fewer hurdles between nations, not as in “the market will take care of everything”.

      but the opposite is happening.

      Yeah, no. The EU has always strived for a balance there. You bringing up the spectre of “planning economy” is just fearmongering.

      You wouldn’t happen to work at the Internet Research Agency?

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      but better value should come from customer choices, not from regulations.

      You mean lower value should come from misleading advertisement, incomplete information, irrational behaviour of actors, and other forms of market failure. Because that is how it works out in the real world.

      Also, quoth the constitution (or well what passes as one for the EU), Article 3(3) TEU:

      The Union shall establish an internal market. It shall work for the sustainable development of Europe based on balanced economic growth and price stability, a highly competitive social market economy, aiming at full employment and social progress, and a high level of protection and improvement of the quality of the environment. It shall promote scientific and technological advance.

      Get out of here with Ayn Rand’s fever dreams.

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        the EU should create infrastructure that allows consumers to compare products objectively

        forms of market failure. Because that is how it works out in the real world

        I think that it is better to improve the markets and minimize the market failures instead of trying to regulate everything.

        Everything has to be checked by institutions if consumers are kept ignorant whereas competent consumers do that work for free.

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          Improving markets means regulation. Rating systems as you propose them are easily influenced and gamed by companies and subject to the same information and irrationality problems that individual consumer behaviour are.

          Lastly, don’t think that such EU regulations aren’t initiated by and pushed for by consumer advocate groups. The commission is not in the habit of going around, saying “where is a market segment that isn’t regulated and what pointless shit can we accost them with”. If things work fine they just plainly let things be.

          Thing is: There’s always going to be chuds saying “REEEE I want a more powerful vacuum” and go with the one with the higher wattage number on the box, no matter what comparison portals say about actual performance. Those portals are nothing new, they have existed for a long time. Yet companies did get into a wattage war, and to write a bigger number on the box so that people would buy it you need to use a bigger motor and use more energy. Problem being: Noone is helped by vacuums which stick to the floor, so you also have to leak, and be loud. All that extra power, good for nothing.

          There’s exactly one way out of such a market failure: Regulation. “vacuums may not use more than X watt per Y of sucking power”.

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            That’s a good argument but doesn’t fit the situation. The bad buying decisions can be corrected with market mechanisms. Allow people to finance the products over the entire expected lifetime. Then high quality goods are cheaper and people will choose them.

            Some people speculated that Britain left the EU because they believe in markets whereas many EU countries don’t. This could be one of many decisions that put the EU onto a different trajectory. We will see in 20 years if the EU can stay on top of its regulations.

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              Britain (where I live) left the EU because lots of people where unhappy and Leave ran a much better campaign that Remain (and lied a couple of times). Racism probably also had something to do with it but that’s hard to prove.

              It wasn’t really about markets because most voters don’t know enough about them to decide based on them.

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                Most voters rely on the campaign communications which was not equally good. Is it too far fetched to think that Remain was intentionally bad?

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              Allow people to finance the products over the entire expected lifetime.

              So you want to capture regulation in the name of the banks and whatever presumably private (because markets!!!11) agency does the life expectancy rating while simultaneously letting the manufacturers off the hook warranty-wise. Got you.

              Some people speculated that Britain left the EU because they believe in markets whereas many EU countries don’t.

              Those people are stupid. At least in so far as “they” refers to Britons at large. If with “they” you mean certain nobs and posh folks and with “market” you mean “offshore tax havens” then you have a point.

              Brexit was pushed for by Atlas network members, notably against opposition from Atlas members from anywhere else in the world, right before the EU started tightening regulations on tax havens. Coincidence? You tell me. The rest of those neoliberal fucks rather pay taxes than burn the cake they’re eating.

              We will see in 20 years if the EU can stay on top of its regulations.

              The EU Commission, back then in the form of the ECSC High Authority, has been doing this stuff since 1952. All European post-war prosperity is based on this kind of approach. Details differ but by and large the European economical policy is ordoliberal.

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                Manufacturers are not off the hook. If they are not reliable then the expected runtime is low and their monthly payments go up.

                the European economical policy is ordoliberal

                Without Britain, it could become more ordo than liberal.

                We don’t have to prevent this regulation. However we should prepare ourselves to prevent the appliance market to become like the housing market. Citizens are unable to make a change there. That shouldn’t be ignored when other markets are regulated more.

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                  Manufacturers are not off the hook. If they are not reliable then the expected runtime is low and their monthly payments go up.

                  If you’re a manufacturer and you’re not sure whether your product can last 10 years then you’re free to contact an insurer and hash something out with them. Still, the buck stops with the manufacturer everything else is pointless bureaucracy. Shit broke? Manufacturer is on the hook, replace it. Simple as that. Not “customer now has to deal with a bank and the manufacturer and a rating agency”.

                  However we should prepare ourselves to prevent the appliance market to become like the housing market.

                  I don’t see much speculative capital flowing into home appliance rentals and turning regular home appliance rentals into short-term high-profit rentals.

                  There’s not even an oversupply of luxury appliances at the expense of reasonably-priced ones.

                  Quite literally nothing about the housing market issue has anything to do with what’s going on on the home appliance one, or with overregulation. Sure, in places there’s regulations to re-think or even straight abolish, e.g. parking minimums, but generally building codes don’t make stuff more expensive. Least of all on a macroeconomic level. The issue, for a long time, were ROI expectations of investors. It’s a general problem in the economy: Too many rich fucks with too much money, not knowing what to do with it, where to invest it, but still wanting their 8% because… why. They’re already filthily rich. I totally get a starving artist rent-seeking, “then I can let go of my day job and focus on my art”, but a billionaire? Get the fuck out of here.

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      Why can’t you have both? Create the best value for customers, but you have to adhere to these regulations.

      Seems like a perfectly reasonable position to me.

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        Regulatory capture. It already exists in the housing market, medical equipment, medical drugs, etc. There, things are more expensive than necessary.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture

        The shift in responsibility to the EU is not free. Of course, it costs some taxes to run the institutions that enforce the regulations. But who is supervising those institutions? That would be up to the citizens, instead of comparing products directly.

        Are citizens going to do that? Have citizens checked the sourcing of the covid vaccines?

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    It’s a good thing they think about this. With that said, the tires can wait. Let’s start with the low hanging fruit. It’s a crime that critical components in home appliances break so easily and are so hard to fix.

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      Or impossible to buy spares for, or when you can get the spare part it’s often so expensive with shipping that it’s almost worth buying a new appliance on offer with the warranty that comes with it.

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        Exactly this. I recently had my clothes washer break. Spent days researching the problem, taking the thing apart, figuring out the cause was the spindle on the back of the drum having a crack and eventually breaking. I eventually found a replacement part which had a slightly different part number but research showed it should be compatible. $400 for the part. $130 shipping, plus tax came out to just shy of $600. 2 week lead time to get the part, and no certainty I’d be able to put it all back together. Professional appliance repair wouldn’t have made financial sense either, I called around.

        I ended up ordering a new one for $800 all in, saving many headaches. Had it two days later and was able to catch up on laundry.

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          Fundamentally, you’re never going to be able to compete with the economies of scale of an assembly line with the same people putting together all the parts that were shipped to the same place. If the repairman has to keep an inventory of hundreds of parts for dozens of models, and drive around to where he only has time to diagnose and fix 2 appliances per day, while the factory worker can install a part for 100 appliances per day, there will always be a gap between the price of replacement versus the price of repair.

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          Did you research spare part availability / reparability scores when buying the new one?

          I always start with that when buying major items. Some brands are more consumer friendly than others. I was still able to buy replacement parts for my 2005 fridge and dishwasher in 2019 and 2023 for 13 and 100 euros respectively (the 100 euro was a heat exchanger one of the biggest pieces of the machine). With 6 Euro shipping costs, 2 day delivery. And a bunch of YouTube videos to do the repair.

          In 2024 we equipped a whole new house with the same brand, voting with our wallets.

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            Yes, to the best of my ability and available resources. It is a newer model, so currently spare parts seemed to be abundant vs the 12 or so year old previous model.

            Nice work on the cheap repairs! Which brand, if I may ask?

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              Neff, but it’s exactly the same hardware as Bosch and Siemens (BSH).

              We sold the apartment with the 20 year old devices still working perfectly.

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                Cool! Bosch is going to be my next set of appliances after I sell my current place, and my new place needs new ones.

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        Tiny plastic part that holds the handle to my fridge broke. Need a new 50 cent plastic part.

        GE wants $200 to replace all 3 metal handle assemblies. Can’t just get the plastic part, it comes in a bundle with all 3 metal handles. Which would immediately go in the garbage.

        If we can’t get them on the “intentionally gouging customers” angle, we can surely get them on the “creating excess waste” angle.

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        Some stuff are just ridiculously tedious to service due to their design.

        Asus laptops are notorious for this. I remember having to take apart everything including the mainboard just to replace the RAM module.

        On a similar note, in car context, I’ve read about instances where one needed to take out the whole engine just to replace the spark plug. I think it was Mercedes A series, as well as some Wuling.

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          Spark plugs hit home. The back 3 in my Lexus are a real pain in the arse to get to. they’re iridium so they dont have to be done as regularly but when they do it’s a good few hours work even for a professional

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            To be honest anything on a modern engine is impossible, I had headlights that needed part of the bumper and wheel arch removing, just to change a bulb

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    I wonder how this translates to tires. Generally, softer rubber translates to more grip and faster wear, and other way around. Does this mean that the tires will be less grippy then?

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      Maybe. Tire rubber compounds continue to improve, along with construction and tread design. So newer tires might be just as grippy and more efficient. Or way less grippy and way more efficient. Or way grippier and just as efficient. It just depends on the tradeoffs the manufacturer decided to make.

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        I believe that tires will go a long way in terms of wear and longevity (as we’ve seen in the past 100 years), but not sure if more grip and less rolling resistence (efficiency) is possible.

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      Yes. Cue in all the EV eco bullshit tires used on EVs that skid around already in good conditions and are absolutely horrible in bad conditions. All for sake of efficiency.

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        Idk I had a Tesla M3 with stock tires and because of the center of gravity being so low the car had great grip even with fast sharp corners. Seems like you just hate EV’s for whatever reason and take it out whatever way you can

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          There are some pretty annoying EVs out there (example bmw i3). It was delightful to drive, but as soon as a single rain droplet fell from the sky, traction control has a lot of hard work

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            I did drive a VW id.4 but with how high and huge that thing is the handling was horrible. From all the EV’s I’ve been able to drive/sit in the only good ones were currently Tesla and Skoda.

            It’s not an EV thing, it’s a carmaker (and car type) thing.

            I very much believe EV’s are the future, I just think the EU EV’s have slacked a lot because they were so adamant at staying with fuel based engines and because of that a lot of people think EV’s are so much worse, while the good and decently affordable EV’s sadly come from countries we just don’t really like (US and China)

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              I only know one electric skoda (Enyaq, the citigo was a fleeting experiment). And the Enyaq is the exact same car as the ID.4 except the interior. Same battery, drive train suspensión, brakes, etc. Same for the Audi Q4. So it seems to me that your subjective feel is not very accurate.

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          Usually it helps for traction if car weighs 300 tons…

          Also no, it’s not me hating on EVs, it’s because Car makers stick lowest rolling resistance tires to improve efficiency and lower rolling resistance also means they grip asphalt poorly.

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          Did not happen here in Finland just a few days ago.

          The way I see it, they check mostly for stuff that could result in unsafe breakage/conditions, endangering yourself and others.

          Of course misaligned front tires aren’t good even if you ignore tire wear, but they don’t make your car a death trap.

          Not saying I’m agreeing with this, just my observation. Some of the things that are important to them, while others aren’t even checked, the logic eludes me.

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          Idk, I’m in the u.s. without any inspections whatsoever. There’s an app that works with newer ios devices that can check very accurately because of the finer tuned gyroscope. Hopefully an android variant comes soon. Then trucks, buses etc. can check every trip without a lot of hastle.

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            Wait what the fuck, you don’t have yearly technical inspections there? So people can drive whatever deathtraps without functional brakes or shit?

            I’d call USA a developing country but that’d imply positive change over time

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              Yeah, it’s kinda bullshit when you see perfectly smooth tires on a grain truck, which also doesn’t require a special license if driven by a farmer or their family. I think you could be 16 or 18 and hop into a truck to haul 20 tons of grain with a car license.

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      You can buy LED lightbulbs that all have their own apps. It’s getting ridiculous

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        112 months ago

        To be fair most do work without the app. The app is for remote control and other features like colors usually.

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        22 months ago

        Just use home assistant, you don’t need their hubs/apps (assuming they use a standard like Zigbee or zwave). For wifi try tasmota.

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      This drives me nuts. I only buy Philips LEDs now since the others only seem to last a year, which is infuriating.

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          62 months ago

          That’s weird. I tried IKEA first and they died super quick too. Only thing that makes sense to me is they are somehow overheating which doesn’t make sense since they weren’t fully enclosed and room temp is normal.

          Maybe I’ve give them ago again, it was 5+ years ago I tried them.

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            12 months ago

            I’ve been running Tradfri lamps from IKEA for over 5 years now with little issue. But I have them always somewhat dimmed. Not sure if that would make a difference.

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            My first Led for a regular lamp at home was an Osram for nearly 20€. It died after ca. 3 years. After that Ikea had launched their cheap LEDs and I started buying them. I can’t really say how long each of them lasted, but I moved and started reusing them in different lamps. I guess most of them are over 5 years old by now. Every now and then one of them dies but my subjective feelings is that they offer great value.

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      If you read into it, the video is misleading and the bulbs aren’t as good as it claims. They don’t go out but they suck when it comes to the light they produce

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        22 months ago

        That’s too bad, I haven’t kept up with the news I. That I guess. The main problem I saw was that specifically Dubai preferred cold white light, while that should have nothing to do with longevity, the only place I can tolerate that is in my workshop, where I already have LED florescent replacements.

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    This is a good first step. The next would be to lower the ridiculous amount of electronics in them and remove wifi and telemetry functionality. A dish washer should never have to connect to a server to do its job.

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      I would like it to come with an open source firmware that I could connect to my locally hosted servers.

      I would enjoy mapping out load weights, water and electricity consumption, and cross reference that with a lot of other stuff. Plus some remote controls, and a better interface to choosing washing programs and scheduling start/end…

      I just don’t want any of that data to leave my house, ever.

      • @[email protected]
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        82 months ago

        Exactly this. Wifi is awesome. Some opaque server on the internet is not. Let me home assistant the shit out that load of dishes.

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          32 months ago

          And have an easily accessed setting to turn it all off if you don’t want it. I’d even be okay with a physical switch. The short answere is, your appliance should do what you and only you want it to do, and you should be able to enforce that.

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    I think about the lightbulb cartel all the time. How has no one managed to recreate those super long lasting bulbs in all this time?

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    A welcome mandate, especially for electronics. However people are already throwing away so much perfectly fine furniture that I don‘t think it will help much in that regard. A lot of people want something new, not something that just works.

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      42 months ago

      Well, for furniture, I totally agree with you and honestly: I don’t think there is eomething wrong with redesigning your living room every 10 years, especially when you move around.

      I mainly want to be able to buy old washing machines, dish washers, TVs, because I don’t care about their appearance.

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        If the produced stuff last longer it wouldn’t mean there would be less competition on innovation, people would still have a reason to sell you their old appliances because they want certain new function. This law is against making stuff that can’t be repaired or breaks easily. Don’t think you’d buy a 2 year old tv if it doesn’t work, right.

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        If it’s quality furniture you can sell or donate it. If it’s recent Ikea or other cheap stuff, it won’t survive being disassembled, moved and reassembled. Ikea’s surfaces scratch so easily, even on desks. It’s ridiculous. That kind of fast furniture is terribly unsustainable. But I wouldn’t be bothered if you bought a new sofa every ten years and make someone else happy with a used sofa that will last another ten years in it’s new home.

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      I specifically want new because I already know even the new won’t last long don’t even mind something someone has used for a few years already

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      232 months ago

      Yeah they buy new because the advertisements give you idea that new is cool, brainwashing one into consuming. We should ban ads

    • Mike
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      People have been conditioned to throw away perfectly good shit, now we are surprised they throw away shit. This policy is obviously not gonna fix the issue on its own, but as you said, it’s welcome.

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      552 months ago

      Where are you living? Here people give away (emmaus for example) or sell it online, for cheap equals you don’t even need to throw it away, someone comes and picks it up for you.

      Those appliances are so simple too, making them durable is very low cost. Good move EU.

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        Where I live you can easily give your stuff away or donate it to a charity shop, but it’s a tiny bit less effort to chuck it in the trash so there are people who do that. Not all of them, thank god, but you can come across decent stuff every one in a while. Do have to say people are more likely to dump cheap stuff than reliable stuff from known brands.

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      172 months ago

      This is absolutely true and sad, though I get a lot of free electronics to dismantle by rummaging through trash. People have no appreciation of the value of “used” items that either work perfectly fine or have a minor issue that prevents them from working but is easily fixable, e.g. a broken cable (I have many working devices that were thrown away because the cable is severed, which I could easily fix). I think only proper education in this regard will improve things long term.

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    Samsung: god damnit, now we have to use the $0.30 washer instead of the $0.29 washer and itll last at least 10 years longer!

    That’s 10s of millions in extra sales lost!