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Catholic Health Initiatives-Iowa, a faith-based health care provider, is arguing in a medical malpractice case that the loss of an unborn child does not equate to the death of a “person” for the purpose of calculating damage awards.
In Iowa, court-ordered awards for noneconomic losses stemming from medical malpractice are capped at $250,000, except in cases that entail the “loss or impairment of mind or body.”
Attorneys for the CHI and MercyOne hospital are arguing the cap on damages still applies in cases where the “loss” is that of a fetus or unborn child.
CHI’s status as a nonprofit, tax-exempt entity is based on its stated mission of providing health services “in the spirit of the gospel.” The ethics guidelines it approved in 2018 state that the corporation is committed to “respect the sacredness of every human life from the moment of conception until death.”
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Abortion is MURDER! UNLESS it Costs us MONEY in Which case Abortion is NOT MURDER!
-People who Follow the
10987some Commandments!
Oh Yazz!
Money is far more important than principles. -Modern Christianity
Blessed are the rich and powerful, for they fill God’s collection plate
They indulge but also by the indulgences
The Christian Schrodinger Fetus … it is neither dead nor alive … worthless nor valuable … you don’t know what it is until you see it and once you do, it is probably already dead
“But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He’s all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can’t handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!”
-George Carlin
Historically Christianity hasn’t been much different unless you go way back.
I dunno, there was some pretty cool stuff going on in central/south america in the 60s. Ernest cardenal and solentiname come to mind.
Less than twenty years after the Catholic church formed “rat lines” to smuggle Nazis to South America to protect them from prosecution for their crimes against humanity.
It’s okay though, they both apologized to and forgave themselves in their own heads so it’d be rude to bring it up.
Yeah and Jesus was a pretty groovy dude but his religion hoards wealth.
I remember talking to a historian in Portugal who said she loved the Vatican for its history, but hated it for its opulence.
Not really. They banned priest marriage so they could stop paying pensions to widows and would inherit all their property, and throughout the Catholic existence they were selling pardons for sins.
Even the establishment of Christianity was a cash grab. They gentrified Jesus because Jews weren’t interested in this particular messiah and it was the gentiles who had the cash at the time.
Hey hey now. Dont be bashful. You and your ilk has screamed that it does. In your eyes, you killed a person. You can’t switch when its uncomfortable for you.
Unfortunately, they can and will.
Just dig up their past statements. They’ve definitely said shit on abortion before, they’re religious they can’t help it.
religion has never been about truth or consistency, it’s a matter of power
Hypocrisy is a defining feature of Abrahamic religion.
I would love to have the judge question them directly on the sanctity of human life and how it does not apply in this case but applies to abortion.
Hell, if we can get a hold of the plaintiff and ask them to lose the case so that we can build case law off of the ruling, we might be able to get the Catholic church on record as saying abortion should be legalized.
Them losing doesn’t guarantee anything if it isn’t well argued. They need to try to win and put up the best defence. If they fail then there will be a solid case to take it further if they throw it, higher courts will look at it and the arguments and see that it doesn’t apply.
No, they’ll just say it’s only valid if they do it, like an annulment vs. a divorce
Annulment usually implies that the marriage was never consummated. Annulments exist outside of religion as well.
Could this case set a precedent if they win? Will that allow abortion to become legal?
No, Trump would immediately sign an executive order even though its supposed to be beyond his powers and anyone with a lick of status will bend over like they were just struck with the rod of God.
No.
Like, it could be a brick in the road, but it won’t.
Tells you what this is really about.
Ahhhhhh this rules 😂
Not so convicted in your beliefs that you won’t turn over some of the peoples donations?
The Bible does say in several places that life begins at the first breath.
The Bible says a lot of things, you think they’ll listen?
The bible also gives you a recipe that will induce abortion, yet here we fucking are.
Never heard that before, what do i search for? Would love to have this info in my back pocket for when needed
Whoops, meant to reply to spooky2092 who said there’s a recipe to induce abortion in the Bible
Numbers 5:11-31 It details how a husband can “test” his wife with the Bitter Water-if she miscarries it was a bastard, if she’s “innocent” it doesn’t do anything. The version I saw has “16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water”. Presumably this is the recipe though there’s probably other versions with some more details.
Thanks. That’s wild
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.” Jeremiah 1:4-5
“Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.”
Ephesians 6:5-8
What’s your point?
Depending on the interoperation you could argue it starts much later
CURIOUS
A hypocrisy is you
There is zero point in ever listening to what a conservative is saying. It changes based on whatever they think is beneficial to them in that exact moment. They’re like the demons from Frieren.
but will they make it right in the end by giving her a new fetus (from someone who died in a fire).
“Faith-based health care provider” is one of the saddest euphemisms I’ve heard in a while.
I don’t know why I’m still surprised by the hypocrisy at this point.
Abortion? It’s a person, you murderers!
We fucked up? Well it’s a fetus, not a person!
Well, the problem is that “Faith Based Institutions” are exposed to any amount of liability for anything at all. Obviously, these people were infallible and it was the sinful patients who were at fault.
Catholic Health Initiatives-Iowa, a faith-based health care provider
A what?
It’s who provides medicine in America. Why do you think our media depicts healers as clerics and priests.
Fr. John gives a hell of a sermon alongside his trademark appendectomy
It is a left over system where hospitals were basically run by nuns and churches. Originally done in good faith as there wasn’t any other option, so nuns would double as nurses, staff, etc. That is basically how Mayo clinic started. It is outdated now but many of those hospitals combined to form CHI, Dignity… Some are huge systems.
CHI is an absolute nightmare to deal with. They will send you to collections almost immediately, they can’t answer any questions about your bills, and seem to routinely fuck them up so bad I’ve had lawyers send them letters twice to get problems resolved.
Getting the same service from the university medical system in my area suddenly fixed all of the billing issues. Where I was paying out the ass after insurance, suddenly the patient responsibility dropped to damn near 0.
The ‘Catholic’ part is just a veneer. It’s a for profit medical institution that’s uses religious conviction as another avenue for profit.
Maybe get out of the healthcare industry if you’re not willing to provide care for patients’ health.
Now, now, the Laws of Hammurabi clearly state what to do here…
22 “If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. 23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
So you will note that punishment is only given out as the woman is harmed, as this is a life. Miscarriage shmishcarriage, it’s not a life yet so no harm done, no punishment given.
It’s an open and shut case, Your Honour. The husband can demand all he wants but no life was harmed here, no eyes, no teeth, the $250,000 cap applies as “the court allows”.
Numbers 11.
Abortion is only wrong when it’s a woman’s choice.
