I’ve got an idea! Let’s sit around jerking each other off for two weeks while we build a case that Trump will just ignore anyways! Who’s with me (besides the Court)???
The article is actually really badly written because it completely ignores a key point. The Supreme court itself said that the government needed to act internationally. It’s there in the text of the decision.
In other words, this isn’t the government against some low-level judge. It’s Trump telling the Supreme Court to go to hell. I hope some judges somewhere will actually stand up and lock people up for depriving people of their civil rights, but so far it doesn’t look like any of them have the courage to do so.
That’s the thing though, the judiciary has never had real power. The best they can do is issue decisions which are promptly ignored.
At this point a SCOTUS ruling seems to have as much power as a UN Resolution
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They have the Marshals, and the judge could indeed order a government official arrested.
In sane times, yes. But US Marshals are a part of the Dept of Justice, which answers to the Executive. So I’ll let you guess how that would play out if they were ordered to arrest Trump or anyone else in his circle.
The court needs to do this and see what happens. A civil war may be the only way out of this.
They obviously aren’t, and have defied every court at every turn when presented with lawful orders in this matter.
This guy’s already dead.
OK, now what?
No kidding your honor. The question is what exactly are you or any other judge going to do about it?
I don’t mean that in a Trump is right kind of way. I mean it in a this is something the judiciary needs to be seriously looking into sooner rather than later.
Court: issues order
Trump Admin: flat out says they will not follow the orders
Court: I don’t think the admin is following my orders.
Wake up. Your courts haven’t been able to help you long before the cheeto was in power and was flaunting his many felonies. The courts literally gave him unlimited power already. There have been zero repercussions for him his entire life while you all cheered him on and brought him to power not once but twice.
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In 2022 there were 161.42 million eligible voters in the US (latest number I could find)
Trump got 77,284,118 votes
There is 340.1 million people in the US.
I’d say that far from all.
But otherwise yeah I already know the Supreme Court pretty much gave him unlimited power.
Yes all. No one stood up or this guy would not be in office. Like you said above only 77,000,000 voted for him. And the other 263 million allowed those few fascist lovers even have a say.
He was honest and open (oddly enough) about his plans for dictatorship years in advance. Your complete society allowed this to happen. No one could have stopped it but the citizens of your country. No one can still stop it but you. Yet in years of knowing no one has organized any resistance at all. Again allowing it to happen.
He put his Nazi goons in your capitol buildings and still no one did anything. He stacked your top court with fellow fascists. He was convicted of dozens of crimes. He’s flaunted the law his entire life. He’s been a grifter and a cheat his entire life but you all have him one of the most popular tv shows of its time and thus a very loud voice within your celebrity culture that dominates your news cycles. You propped up his celebrity status and cheered him on for being a dickhead to people. You’ve watched him openly destroy his own businesses and bank accounts on whims multiple times yet remain extremely wealthy. No one did anything the entire time. You continue to put celebrities on pedestals and declare them higher than the rest of society because they’re famous and rich and gwne they do things that affect or harm others they are allowed to walk free because they’re famous. But you made them that way, only you can stop it.
Yes I blame American society as a whole, and that includes you, for encouraging and allowing this to happen from the very beginning.
When are you going to start blaming yourself? You’ve had so much fun blaming 300 million people, and if you’ve gone that far, why not put one more on the list?
That’s your American exceptionalism showing through. Expecting everyone else to manage your bullshit.
Who am I supposed to blame for the problems Americans have caused for themselves and the world from within their own country? The fake man in the sky?
We “allowed” them. Which ignores the fact that people have a RIGHT to vote for who they WANT.but yeah that’s not important to you.
Have fun in your delusions. Bye
Enjoy your death camps. He tried to forcefully overthrow your government but you ALLOWED him on the ballot again. Yes allowed. You. Your family. Your neighbors. Your friends. You.
One guy seemingly tried. Took a few shakey shots. He tried. Not sure what hellhole they dropped him in, probably dead . That guy I’ll give credit to, even though he missed. He tried. Should be a folk hero larger in status than Luigi.
You don’t know how to math. 77 million voted for Trump sure but plenty didn’t. Yes non voters suck but they aren’t 263 million.
Your comment is false and really doesn’t help. At all.
Yes non voters suck but they aren’t 263 million.
No, in fact; they are 91 million. Which is plenty enough to have made a difference between a win and a loss for democracy.
Their comment is not false. If enough non voters voted, things would be very different now.
They didn’t vote for him but they also didn’t prevent him from getting on that ballot again after he openly tried to overthrow your government, openly courted Nazis, declared himself a dictator, stacked your highest court in favor of himself with bribes and payments, was convicted of dozens of crimes and, and, and…
Who was supposed to stop that? Me? A Canadian? Maybe you expected the French anarchists to protect you. Or the Mexican drug cartels. I don’t know. Who was supposed to stop the fascists from rising to power in your country and start killing your own countrymen?
I believe that would be you. I’m pretty sure it’s not me. I have my own country’s fascism problems to deal with having bled over the border from the shithole to the south of us.
This whole case has collapsed into a handful of choices:
- Judge doesn’t declare the Trump admin in Contempt of Court (i.e. does nothing). This sets precedent that Trump’s administration enjoys full immunity from the judiciary, officially turning the US into a dictatorship. This is what has been happening for weeks and remains by far the most likely scenario.
- Judge declares Trump in Contempt of Court, but is unable to enforce it. This is equivalent to scenario 1.
- Judge declares the Trump admin in Contempt of Court and deputizes state police to enforce the ruling and arrest, if not Trump, at least some officials. This would be legal and remains the only constitutional solution, but would almost certainly trigger an armed response from the regime. Democracy doesn’t go down without a fight, but the end result is uncertain.
- Pro-democracy factions use illegal/violent means to force Trump to comply (military coup, sudden Luigi’s Mansion remake, etc.). However it would seem that the masks fell off and despite decades of propaganda to the contrary, literally not a single living American is willing to put their life on the line to protect Democracy.
- Dude’s dead and has been
The administration will just apply for an appeal to the decision - 6 months - then if it is approved it goes to a one man Supreme Court ruling (18 months), then they appeal again (12 months) and it goes to the full bench (24 months) who will declare its now outside the scope of action.
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1a. Judge goes on a Holiday in Cambodia, so to speak, and is replaced. See option 1.
Well now I’ve gotta listen to some Dead Kennedys so thanks
I feel like a lot of lemmy users should read those lyrics and think on them for a bit.
- Admin complies
- Abrego suddenly ends up dead during that time. Essentially means admin would be complying.
We have to send monitors to that prison immediately until he’s safely back home
There’s a serious chance they’ll have the guy killed to get the judge off their back without having to be seen backing down, and to show judges what happens when they try to challenge the regime on a deportation case.
Which would definitely be contempt of court when the whole thing leaks because they added another goddamned reporter to the signal conversation about it
And then we get to watch Fox News talk about how brilliant and righteous the regime is
Because they made the poor and uneducated afraid. That’s why all the guns. Fear of that which they do not understand. They were fed endless propaganda about how Trump cares for the working class. Republican Corporate media let them keep their guns as long as they had an enemy to point them at that wasn’t them. Keep them scared and afraid of their allies, their fellow working class.
No shit?
This is when the judge issues an arrest warrant for Trump/Elon and then deputizes everyone who is willing to try to take him in.
Then they is arrested and we start adding years to their prison sentences for every obstruction.
Unfortunately the only way to arrest a president is the impeachment process. Which wont happen with a republican super majority. Unless you can get Republicans to grow a spine there is no other legal process to hold the President accountable.
However I’m not sure about those employed by in his administration. But then again if he’s willing to pardon Jan 6th rioters he will definitely pardon people in his administration…
I mean I think at least in theory the court has the ability to use the US Marshalls to enforce a court order. And I also believe they can deputize others to enforce those orders instead in case the Marshalls end up answering to the DoJ instead of the judges.
Idk if those rules apply anymore.
It doesn’t seem like rules apply in this country anymore, and whoever wins the current war will decide what was legal retroactively.
Sure. But the same is NOT true for everyone below the president. More people might push back on Trump’s illegal orders if they know there’s actual consequences for it.
The first part is still right. In a sane world, this is where the court starts to enforce that it is a co equal branch, per the constitution.
But we left the sane world a decade ago so… who knows.
Actually the only way to arrest anyone is with physical restraints. Trump can blather all he wants once the cuffs are on, but hogtied is hogtied no matter how you slice him.
Criminal contempt can be pardoned by the president.
Civil contempt cannot.
Charge them each a million dollars a day.
There isn’t going to be a legal way to hold them accountable.
Try $1B/day. A million to Trump is like an ok steak dinner, while to Musk, it’s like the dollar menu.
Do it to the Ice agents, attorneys, anyone involved.
Make it financial suicide to carry out their orders.
Charge them the operating budget of ICE per day, plus 10%. None of those jackbooted thugs should get paid until each person is returned to the US.
Trump is a criminal, no one should be surprised that he is ignoring the rule of law.
Not only is there no evidence they’re following her order, there is proactive evidence of them defying her order.
This is precisely what contempt is for.
How can they be found in contempt when they were never out of contempt.
They don’t care what judges say. The judges are just NOW finding that out?
In the legal system, far more things get reversed due to procedural issues than on merit. Generally, this is a good thing. A judge should not be able to hand out punishment on a whim.
As with most protections, fascists destroy the ones that limit them and cling to those that benefit them.
That’s what the article states. She’s mandating two weeks of intense discovery, which will lead to contempt of court if they cannot prove they have done everything in their power to return him.
Honest question: if the administration’s defense is shrugging because he’s in another country, doesn’t the judge have an easy layup to shut down CECOT deportations?
They can’t have it both ways, either follow due process or keep your slave detention camps domestic. It’s not interfering in foreign policy to point out they need to choose.
She did, with an injunction that they are continuing to defy. That’s another contempt of court charge. She has to do this slowly and methodically to prevent giving them evidence of bias when they appeal her rulings. The downside to a just court is the pace. Had we a functional Congress that wasn’t packed with loyalists, this would’ve been over by now.
The next step is to issue an arrest warrant for Trump, and if the cops are too pussy to do it the Judge can deputize any citizens who volunteer to do it too.
Lot of shit gon happen in a fortnight.
Nothing’s gonna happen. Stop dreaming.
Trump is above justice and so are his billionaire goons. Justice is only for pariahs.
Maybe you replied to the wrong person? Maybe you misunderstood? When I said “shit”, I meant shit.
I misread your comment then. Apologies.
Yeah, why don’t we all just roll over and die at their feet.
I get the sentiment but we really don’t need a Debbie Downer.
If it makes you feel any better, he’s only above legal justice. There’s still a sliver of hope.
I fear Trump will just ask his buddy Bukele to kill the guy, out of sheer spite.
Oh so you just want a president to smuggle another president into the country?
(Disingenuous ass with that BS he unloaded in the Oval the other day, pretending like he was being asked to bring Xi, Vlad, & Kim to Guantánamo)
“Way ahead of you, boss.”
The death of several innocent prisoners, for example
Like people are going to run around, building stuff and doing dances? I don’t know, I don’t play it…
