Democratic National Committee vice chair David Hogg’s plan to spend $20 million to primary older Democratic incumbents in Congress has sparked intense anger from some lawmakers.
Let them pound sand. These geriatric bastards are incapable of adapting to the malevolence currently destroying everything. We need somebody willing to punch these conservative bastards’ teeth down their throats.
Good fucking riddance, if they wanted their seats they should have defended our country and stood against nazis.
Mistake for who? Not a mistake for me, not a mistake tactically considering the policy and popularity polling, not a mistake when you consider that these people have been suppressing popular and well polling progressive policies and candidates for decades and still managed to lose the presidency and both houses to a goddamn moron…
All of this shit, all of these “reasons” they list in opposition to Hogg’s initiative, they are all bullshit. Bullshit and deflections and distractions from the fact that they are concerned exclusively about the bottom line for their wealthy benefactors, and about their own as well. The irony that is not lost on anyone is that they are the assholes who did this to us in the first place, and would you look at that, Donald Trump is about to hand them a tax cut.
Both sides, the old guard is useless but he’s massively anti 2A, which is also not helpful right now.
Na the fascists are also going to need to get rid of the 2A soon. They don’t need headlines like “ICE impersonator shot by citizen while conducting an extra judicial abduction”
You can’t put that genie back in the bottle on any reasonable time scale, there’s more guns than people in the US, and half of them are basically invisible to authorities.
i know right. Where my no step snek libertarians in the face of tyranny tho?
Begging for government contracts.
Both sides, the old guard is useless but
but here comes the excuse…
he’s massively anti 2A, which is also not helpful right now.
How convenient!
Only a fool would willingly disarm with fascist trying to take absolute power
Sure. It’s not because he’s trying to push the party to the left. It’s because the party has suddenly come around to being single-issue voters who agree with republicans on yet another issue, this time guns.
Before that, it was genocide, immigration, and trans people. What will we agree with republicans on next?
Only a fool would be relying on registered firearms with fascists trying to take absolute power.
They’re really upset about losing their expense accounts. Sure they get a salary, but every single one of them has an expense account that dwarfs their salary.
Thank you, David Hogg. So glad you survived the school shooting. 👍
Even the complaints against Hogg are just virtue signaling.
No action. Ever.
They are complicit.
They should have done this years ago. This opens the party to get republicans playing democrats to take over that party. We have seen this with at least 10 democrats constantly voting with republicans or a democrat completely switching parties during their term. Split the damn party or go home.
LO AND BEHOLD M’LORD.
I was just talking about how the dems are ineffective and have no strategy, and here’s another one to add to my list of sources.
Every Democrat seat should face a primary. Every year. No party funds should be spent until after the primary or all people on the ballot should get the same party stipend.
Should. But they are not gonna.
Everybody go home, no point in doing anything. You heard 'em.
What are you going to do about it? - Democrats who hold the power to do the thing you think they should do.
I agree with the older Dems, but not for their reasons.
No, we should not support the candidates that Hogg supports. Because Hogg is very opposed to 2A rights, and ipso facto any candidate that he supports will also be opposed to 2A rights. And if you think that we’re gonna just vote our way out of this, I’ve got some very, very bad news for you.
Primary the old fucks with young leftists (hopefully ones that actually understand economics and tax policy)? Absolutely! Primary them with ones that ideologically aligned with Hogg? No.
That was my gut instinct too, who is this kid, how did he get a vice chair position, and ya who are these young candidates and do they understand global economics, international relations, military. What roles in congressional comittees will they be qualified for. I’m tired of seeing morons overseeing nukes. Thats gotta stop.
He survived a school shooting. I think he has good reasons for wanting gun control. Although personally I agree that citizens need to be armed against our fascist state.
Most people are for gun control, branding yourself as anti 2A doesn’t really inspire hope that he can cross the aisle. It doesn’t have to be a toxic issue but it’s delicate. After checking the wiki he seems like he’s got some qualification. Left some room to be desired but I’ll judge the man by his work.
I don’t want people who will cross the aisle. I want people who will treat the fascists like the existential threat they are.
Bro we can’t even cross the aisle to independents who voted for Clinton in 2016. Im not talking about the fascists.
I agree everyone on the left should be working together, but that’s not what “crossing the aisle” means.
Well you guys can keep demonizing the whole entire republican party, and then make plans for the 78 Million trump voters and 30 million trump die hards. I still believe that there is a breaking point where republican congress people can be convinced by their local populations to do the right thing and impeach trump and purge MAGA from government. We only need to focus on a couple dozen districts. We don’t need to organize 30 million protestors, we need to organize about 10 million in the right districts. I don’t care if the people carry them out of office by force, but i me protesting in a democratic district does nothing to remove that southern congressman who’s in violation of his oath.
Crossing the aisle means getting biparsan votes to do the right thing and govern with integrity.
Most people are for gun control
There’s a big problem with that.
Right now, the majority of people in the US are in favor of deporting all undocumented immigrants. Right now, the overwhelming majority of people are opposed to transgender rights (e.g., using bathrooms that correspond to their gender, participating in sports, having access to gender-affirming care, and so on). Going back to the late 80s/early 90s, most people would not have believed that Satanists had the right to free exercise of their religion (and many people still don’t today). If you go back 75 years, the majority of the country believed that ‘separate but equal’ was entirely reasonable; sure, let those negroes have rights, but letting them live in our neighborhoods, go to our schools, get married to our women…? Absolutely not!
This is what is referred to as “the tyranny of the majority”.
The whole purpose of the bill of rights is that they are RIGHTS, and not intended to be something that is up for a popular vote. All gun control is intended to prevent people from exercising their right to keep and bear arms.
You’re going to have to share your data because it conflicts with mine. I don’t think you understand what a majority is. Technically it would be 175 million people to form a majority in the USA. We live in an oligarchy, that’s tyranny of the majority by a minority. A majority of Americans do not vote.
A majority of the people in the US are probably unaware of the recent deportations. A majority of us lack reading comprehension skills above the 6th grade level. A majority of us don’t understand the 3 branches of government. I can share my data, but I’d like to see yours first
Here’s one source on immigrations, although the numbers are slipping as the cases of illegal and wrongful deportations continue to make headlines. Even with that, Americans are fairly even split. Here’s a solid source on transgender policy; while some things that are positive for transgender people have broad support, some things that are unequivocally bad–like preventing minors from accessing gender-affirming care, including puberty blockers, bathroom bills, etc.–have net +10 and greater support. (+31 on only allowing people to play sports that correspond to the gender they were assigned to at birth means that it’s about a 65/35 split, with 65% in favor of preventing transwomen from participating in womens’ sports.)
Once they’re primaried, people can vote for whoever is the better candidate.
I’m really tired of voting for better candidates that are in favor of reproductive rights, and LGBTQ+ rights, that want religion out of politics, that support genuinely free speech, and then also want to eliminate 2A rights. We’re already seeing what 75 years of libs and progressives working to disarm themselves has done, and the result is that ICE agents aren’t getting gunned down in the streets when they’re kidnapping people, and the fash are free to do whatever the fuck they want with zero fear of consequences.
Hogg is 100% right and they are just whining like babies when they should be doing their effing jobs.
Here it is. The democrats they say are fine. Squibbling over 20 million. Please, are you the second most powerful political force in America or are you just a bunch of sphistocrats.
they have the same donors basically.
I love his energy, but I sincerely disagree with the whole gun control narrative right now. Leaning into that when there are about to be a shitload of far right militias deputized is an absolutely fucking idiotic plan.
Exactly. He has the right idea on this, but given his gun control background I don’t trust him any farther than I can throw him. Gun control is, at this point, nothing more than a way to lose votes. To an anti-gun liberal, gun control is good policy that saves lives. To a pro gun person, gun control is an unconstitutional civil rights violation that makes a candidate unlectable. This turns away an awful lot of pro-gun moderates from rural areas- these are the voters who make a difference in elections.
And as for the anti-gun base, and anti-gun moderates, what are they going to do, vote Republican in protest? Let’s be real.Gun control is a lose lose proposition
Those laws wouldn’t get passed until this whole thing is over and there are progressives in office able to actually do things, if that happens. You wouldn’t have gun control as the law of the land in two months. And guns need to take a massive fucking back seat in America. No more blood cult shit, because that’s what it is.
Go for what you actually want, which is freedom. Freedom is when you aren’t surrounded by people with guns.
Freedom is black folks being able to shoot Klanners who try to burn down their homes. The 2nd Amendment isn’t just for pricks.
I get it, but this is where he comes from, I thought the same thing you did until I read this.
So like… I was in my early thirties when this happened. I know. I remember. I watched some of the news livestreams as it went down.
I said what I said understanding that.
I am by no means trying to diminish, demean, discredit, disparage, or otherwise detract from his experience. Im saying that I am very fucking concerned that an actual war is coming, and disarming right before a war is a great fucking way to get killed.
If there’s an actual war, I can’t see Democrats having any really power at the national level until it’s over anyway.
Gun control means: mandatory background checks, waiting periods, bans on previously convicted violent criminals owning guns, potentially magazine limits or limits on fully automatic licenses to specific users (like you may need to demonstrate you have proficiency and be a member of a gun club). None of this goes against “the right to bear arms”.
It does not mean nobody can buy guns or that guns are taken away - this is the fearmongering always pushed by the very conservative, very pro-Trump NRA.
Gun control seems to mean ‘a little more’. This comic is popular among gun owners because it reflects the feeling of constantly ratcheting ‘compromise’.
A perfect example of that is background checks. The original bill was a compromise, All gun sales at gun stores are required to have a background check, but the compromise is that private sales between one person and another are exempted. That was a negotiated compromise between the pro gun and anti-gun side. I think for the most part it was a decent compromise. But now the anti-gun side is trying to roll it back calling it the ‘gun show loophole’ which is horribly named because a gun dealer at a gun show has to do a background check anyway, and most gun shows require background checks for all sales either from a dealer or a private citizen.
The problem with universal background checks is the concept of a transfer. For example, under some proposals, if you want to lend somebody your hunting rifle to go hunting with, that might count as a transfer, which means you have to go to a gun store and pay about $50 and fill out paperwork to legally transfer ownership of the gun to them. And then when they return they have to transfer it back to you.
You should also know that an awful lot of gun owners absolutely hate the NRA. They serve a useful purpose, but their constant deranged rabble rousing fundraising makes gun owners look like paranoid morons.
What I would much prefer to do is outreach and education. An awful lot of gun control laws are based on a total misunderstanding of what guns do and how they work and what makes them powerful or not, I think if more Democrats actually understood guns you would see fewer attempts at bad laws that do nothing to increase safety but just try to turn the screws on gun owners.We agree on what “gun control” means. We do not agree on the need for gun control, nor do we agree on the affects of gun control on the right to keep and bear arms.
Mandatory background checks
That means forced to go to an FFL dealer before trading guns with your friends and neighbors. No private sales, even to trusted parties. Unacceptable. Every legitimate purpose that a mandatory background check provides can be accomplished by creating public access to NICS. With that in place, every seller can know, and so is expected to know their buyer’s status. But, “public access to NICS” is not part of our shared definition of “gun control”, and has been fervently opposed by Democratic leadership every time it has been proposed.
waiting periods,
Even in theory, waiting periods can only achieve their intent with first-time gun buyers. For everyone else, they serve no purpose other than to hassle gun owners. You could theoretically walk in to a gun store with an AR15 hanging from your chest, a Remington 870 over your shoulder, a S&W 500 holstered on your waist, a 1911 on your hip, a Glock 26 on your ankle, and an LCP in your pocket. But, while you’re walking around with three defensive pistols, a big game handgun, a shotgun, and an intermediate caliber rifle, the clerk at that gun store won’t let you leave with a bolt-action .22LR plinker. Suffice it to say, waiting periods are unacceptable.
bans on previously convicted violent criminals owning guns,
The only reason to even mention such bans is to deceive people into thinking they don’t already exist. They do. That deceit is completely unacceptable.
potentially magazine limits
The usual limits proposed are 6 or 10 rounds. These numbers are not derived from any studies on defensive need. They do not consider whether 6 to 10 rounds is sufficient to stop a deadly threat. They do not consider multiple attackers. Unacceptable. The various proposals often apply to guns that can accept such magazines, rather than the magazines themselves, and would thus make most existing guns illegal. Only firearms with fixed magazines could comply with such laws. Unacceptable.
limits on fully automatic licenses
Fully automatic firearms, suppressors, SBRs and SBSs are already overburdened with excessive licensing restrictions. Unacceptable.
Harassing gun owners with these ridiculous gun control measures is costing elections. David Hogg was brought to the DNC by the inept leadership to support their losing message on gun control. He and his pet issue are part of what the Guillotine Party needs to excise.
The USA is alone in the entire world in that it has a mass shooting almost every day of every year, and yet when faced with modest controla you’re like, “if I, a citizen with no gun dealer licensr can’t just sell whatever guns whenever I like to neighbours and friends then any changes are unacceptable”.
You say pro gun-control candidates will cost the Democrats votes, well I think I just found a single issue voter.
You say pro gun-control candidates will cost the Democrats votes, well I think I just found a single issue voter.
It’s not my vote you need to worry about. I voted for Harris, Biden, Clinton, Obama, Obama, Kerry, Gore, and more Democratic governors, legislators, judges, commissioners, and administrators than I feel like counting. Democrats didn’t, and won’t lose my vote over gun control.
The votes you should be concerned about are the ones who aren’t here, arguing with you. The votes you should be concerned about are the ones that turned former bellwether swing states into reliably red states. Ohio for example. A state that voted for the eventual winner in 36 of the last 41 elections, going back all the way to the civil war. A state that is now considered reliably red.
Democrats did nothing to prepare for the kids and grandkids of the first generation of concealed carriers across the country. Kids who now have their own carry licenses. The Democrats never bothered to consider the effects of 30 million new gun licensees in 42 of the 50 states, nor their families and friends. Never bothered to consider that voter opinion on guns might have shifted since the civil rights era.
Gun control is one of the more prominent issues of dissatisfaction with the Democratic party.
It’s clear Democrats aren’t interested in winning. Being a anti gun zealot is not going to win elections in the USA.
Democrats will not fight for me and my rights even in the best of times, so i would never in a trillion fucking years be okay with disarming. My body my choice in how I defend myself.
Six out of ten Americans favor stricter gun laws. Every year we lose the equivalent to a war in lives to gun violence. It is not just lives lost either. Millions of Americans live their lives in fear due to gun violence. Almost 60 percent of Americans know someone lost to gun violence.
Over 5 Million women are threatened by guns every year and we lose more children to gun deaths than the rest of the world combined. Guns are a cancer on our society.
If the dude can raise $20 million he can do whatever the fuck he wants with it. Crybaby old farts need to get with the times.
I wish Lemmy could do gifs, cause I want to post the Michael Jackson eating popcorn from thriller so bad right now. Screw these feckless fucks! They have proven to be weak pieces of shit at every turn since Obama’s second term.
But … Lemmy can do gifs? Am I misunderstanding?
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??? Really you think that’s what the donors think when they send money to the DNC???
“Here’s my hard earned money please do what ever the fuck you want with it, efficacy be damned”
That actually explains a lot tbh. You might be on to something here!
“Here’s my hard earned money please do what ever the fuck you want with it, efficacy be damned”
I mean, that’s the response they expect from progressives.
Yea fair. I came around to it while typing my comment. I appreciate the insight it made me come to other enlightening conclusions.
God the more I learn about this kid the more I am impressed and behind his every move!
Can you tell me more about him? This is the first time I’ve heard of him and I can’t find much online.
He was a student during the stoneman Douglas School shooting, then picked up skeet/trap shooting, and it’s currently one of the vice chairs of the Democratic national committee.
Did he go to college for IR? Did he work under anyone in congress? Did he have a career? Advanced degree? Youtube channel? Why is he given 20 Million dollars to fund candidates? Sounds like he might be a good fund raiser with a recognizable name. A face to bring people in, but is he qualified to be making high level decsisions on behalf of all democrats and really americans? Your goal is to run the country for americas benefit right? Not the democrat party?
Why was Elon musk allowed to spend a quarter billion Billion BILLION dollars on a single state’s supreme Court judge’s race.
I think you need to stare into this🪞 for a little longer than a little while.
I looked in the mirror and what i saw was just another question. Why couldn’t the DNC find a candidate to beat Trump or Mitch McConell or any other psychopath entrenched in office for 30+ years? Why is the DNC’s messaging and strategy so bad that they can lose an election to a deranged tyrant… twice.
Either way I looked in the future mirror and you’re starving in a camp in El Salvador, or maybe starving at your house. It’s the ghost of this christmas future. Have fun when supply chains collapse and your can’t exchange your money for food buddy!
Well that’s a great point! I thought about it, and I did some research on how the DNC selects its members. I concluded that the DNC itself is an elitist organization that does nothing but provide fake opposition to a real problem with the republicans. I find that the institution itself flys in the face of fair represenation. I’ve really felt that way since 2016 when they didn’t let Bernie take the nomination. But now I’m extra irate. and as i sit here staring at a child who is going to be determining the parties future I have real questions and concerns.
You have snarky answers and downvotes. You got a real address to my criticism or did I lose you somewhere and this is all I will get?
Fucking duh!
Look up the Parkland School shooting. He also has a wikipedia page.
Ah thank you. Wish it said what his BA from harvard was in, but sounds like he’s got some good experience with activism and policy so that’s nice. Hopefully he can find some good candidates/
