Democratic National Committee vice chair David Hogg’s plan to spend $20 million to primary older Democratic incumbents in Congress has sparked intense anger from some lawmakers.
Sweep out the bullshit.
We’re mad bc he’s not like us. Good!
The old moderate Democrats are not going to change…they keep trying to reach conservatives in a “middle” that keeps moving right. I’d say getting Democrats elected, then replacing them with better democrats in future elections would be the way to go, but there’s something to be said for getting nowhere with the same.old.people.in.the.same.old.positions.election.after.election.and.never.gaining.a.meaningful.majoritye. Either the positions or the people need to change. Since the existing people are not willing to change their positions on the issues, people must be the next thing to change. The party needs to progress into the future, with younger, more vital blood.
Why would you want Bernie Sandwrs to change. He’s trying to reach conservatives because they are normal people who have been deluded and manipulated into voting for nonsense, but they basically support the same stuff normal people want.
Bernie Sanders is an Independent - one of the reasons he’s treated so badly by the DNC. There should be more Independents, as far as that goes.
I was mocking them calling right wingers moderate, son.
many of them are Dinos, themselves, just need to rout out those first.
Calling then Dinos works on at least different levels. They’re old and not Democrats.
they were using the same tactics as the gop are to stay hidden, basically DNC had manchin and sinema to take all the flak, and gop had mitch mcconnel and some of the flipflopper to take all the heat, while the rest collude with each other and with putin and billionaires(both parties, how to not give voters what they want, but enough that they wont rebel against us)
I’d start by looking at the ones that cried the loudest in reaction to this.
Nah, let’s run Nancy Pelosi in 2028. Lmao
While this article by Axios and other recent ones seem to cast David Hogg in a bad, unproductive light, I am grateful that they brought attention to the matter.
Because I forgot to donate to his campaign, and I’m not going to be left out of that wave of support.
I do believe this is his organization’s page, Leaders We Deserve:
I’m very proud of our young progressives. Go, David!
He’s a DNC vice chair already, he’s going to be around for a long time and another sign the current DNC isn’t the DNC from just a few months ago.
We’ve been past the fume stage for a fucking while
Let them pound sand. These geriatric bastards are incapable of adapting to the malevolence currently destroying everything. We need somebody willing to punch these conservative bastards’ teeth down their throats.
Time to clear out the affluent old fossils who act as controlled opposition.
The DNC fucked every god damn thing up.
Everyone over 60 years old should be kicked the fuck out of the party and way be made for younger people who have to actually live in the fucking world being created by them.
DNC: We need older candidates.
They are so good at messaging.
David Hogg is literally a vice chair of the DNC and has the backing of the chair in saying this…
You’re literally commenting on the DNC doing what you want and saying they’re doing the opposite
How ya feeling about this now?
This is an OUTRAGE! The DEMOCRATS Need to CONTINUE Their Proven plan of Allowing Trump to DEPORT American Citizens to El Salvador while making it ILLEGAL to Vote so they can SHORE UP VOTES for KAMALA HARRIS! How DARE David Hogg make Them WORK for Their Position as a PUBLIC SERVANT! That’s NOT what Democrats are ABOUT!
-Chuck Schumer and Top DNC Officials!
I love his energy, but I sincerely disagree with the whole gun control narrative right now. Leaning into that when there are about to be a shitload of far right militias deputized is an absolutely fucking idiotic plan.
I get it, but this is where he comes from, I thought the same thing you did until I read this.
So like… I was in my early thirties when this happened. I know. I remember. I watched some of the news livestreams as it went down.
I said what I said understanding that.
I am by no means trying to diminish, demean, discredit, disparage, or otherwise detract from his experience. Im saying that I am very fucking concerned that an actual war is coming, and disarming right before a war is a great fucking way to get killed.
If there’s an actual war, I can’t see Democrats having any really power at the national level until it’s over anyway.
Gun control means: mandatory background checks, waiting periods, bans on previously convicted violent criminals owning guns, potentially magazine limits or limits on fully automatic licenses to specific users (like you may need to demonstrate you have proficiency and be a member of a gun club). None of this goes against “the right to bear arms”.
It does not mean nobody can buy guns or that guns are taken away - this is the fearmongering always pushed by the very conservative, very pro-Trump NRA.
Gun control seems to mean ‘a little more’. This comic is popular among gun owners because it reflects the feeling of constantly ratcheting ‘compromise’.
A perfect example of that is background checks. The original bill was a compromise, All gun sales at gun stores are required to have a background check, but the compromise is that private sales between one person and another are exempted. That was a negotiated compromise between the pro gun and anti-gun side. I think for the most part it was a decent compromise. But now the anti-gun side is trying to roll it back calling it the ‘gun show loophole’ which is horribly named because a gun dealer at a gun show has to do a background check anyway, and most gun shows require background checks for all sales either from a dealer or a private citizen.
The problem with universal background checks is the concept of a transfer. For example, under some proposals, if you want to lend somebody your hunting rifle to go hunting with, that might count as a transfer, which means you have to go to a gun store and pay about $50 and fill out paperwork to legally transfer ownership of the gun to them. And then when they return they have to transfer it back to you.
You should also know that an awful lot of gun owners absolutely hate the NRA. They serve a useful purpose, but their constant deranged rabble rousing fundraising makes gun owners look like paranoid morons.
What I would much prefer to do is outreach and education. An awful lot of gun control laws are based on a total misunderstanding of what guns do and how they work and what makes them powerful or not, I think if more Democrats actually understood guns you would see fewer attempts at bad laws that do nothing to increase safety but just try to turn the screws on gun owners.We agree on what “gun control” means. We do not agree on the need for gun control, nor do we agree on the affects of gun control on the right to keep and bear arms.
Mandatory background checks
That means forced to go to an FFL dealer before trading guns with your friends and neighbors. No private sales, even to trusted parties. Unacceptable. Every legitimate purpose that a mandatory background check provides can be accomplished by creating public access to NICS. With that in place, every seller can know, and so is expected to know their buyer’s status. But, “public access to NICS” is not part of our shared definition of “gun control”, and has been fervently opposed by Democratic leadership every time it has been proposed.
waiting periods,
Even in theory, waiting periods can only achieve their intent with first-time gun buyers. For everyone else, they serve no purpose other than to hassle gun owners. You could theoretically walk in to a gun store with an AR15 hanging from your chest, a Remington 870 over your shoulder, a S&W 500 holstered on your waist, a 1911 on your hip, a Glock 26 on your ankle, and an LCP in your pocket. But, while you’re walking around with three defensive pistols, a big game handgun, a shotgun, and an intermediate caliber rifle, the clerk at that gun store won’t let you leave with a bolt-action .22LR plinker. Suffice it to say, waiting periods are unacceptable.
bans on previously convicted violent criminals owning guns,
The only reason to even mention such bans is to deceive people into thinking they don’t already exist. They do. That deceit is completely unacceptable.
potentially magazine limits
The usual limits proposed are 6 or 10 rounds. These numbers are not derived from any studies on defensive need. They do not consider whether 6 to 10 rounds is sufficient to stop a deadly threat. They do not consider multiple attackers. Unacceptable. The various proposals often apply to guns that can accept such magazines, rather than the magazines themselves, and would thus make most existing guns illegal. Only firearms with fixed magazines could comply with such laws. Unacceptable.
limits on fully automatic licenses
Fully automatic firearms, suppressors, SBRs and SBSs are already overburdened with excessive licensing restrictions. Unacceptable.
Harassing gun owners with these ridiculous gun control measures is costing elections. David Hogg was brought to the DNC by the inept leadership to support their losing message on gun control. He and his pet issue are part of what the Guillotine Party needs to excise.
The USA is alone in the entire world in that it has a mass shooting almost every day of every year, and yet when faced with modest controla you’re like, “if I, a citizen with no gun dealer licensr can’t just sell whatever guns whenever I like to neighbours and friends then any changes are unacceptable”.
You say pro gun-control candidates will cost the Democrats votes, well I think I just found a single issue voter.
You say pro gun-control candidates will cost the Democrats votes, well I think I just found a single issue voter.
It’s not my vote you need to worry about. I voted for Harris, Biden, Clinton, Obama, Obama, Kerry, Gore, and more Democratic governors, legislators, judges, commissioners, and administrators than I feel like counting. Democrats didn’t, and won’t lose my vote over gun control.
The votes you should be concerned about are the ones who aren’t here, arguing with you. The votes you should be concerned about are the ones that turned former bellwether swing states into reliably red states. Ohio for example. A state that voted for the eventual winner in 36 of the last 41 elections, going back all the way to the civil war. A state that is now considered reliably red.
Democrats did nothing to prepare for the kids and grandkids of the first generation of concealed carriers across the country. Kids who now have their own carry licenses. The Democrats never bothered to consider the effects of 30 million new gun licensees in 42 of the 50 states, nor their families and friends. Never bothered to consider that voter opinion on guns might have shifted since the civil rights era.
Gun control is one of the more prominent issues of dissatisfaction with the Democratic party.
Those laws wouldn’t get passed until this whole thing is over and there are progressives in office able to actually do things, if that happens. You wouldn’t have gun control as the law of the land in two months. And guns need to take a massive fucking back seat in America. No more blood cult shit, because that’s what it is.
Go for what you actually want, which is freedom. Freedom is when you aren’t surrounded by people with guns.
Freedom is black folks being able to shoot Klanners who try to burn down their homes. The 2nd Amendment isn’t just for pricks.
Exactly. He has the right idea on this, but given his gun control background I don’t trust him any farther than I can throw him. Gun control is, at this point, nothing more than a way to lose votes. To an anti-gun liberal, gun control is good policy that saves lives. To a pro gun person, gun control is an unconstitutional civil rights violation that makes a candidate unlectable. This turns away an awful lot of pro-gun moderates from rural areas- these are the voters who make a difference in elections.
And as for the anti-gun base, and anti-gun moderates, what are they going to do, vote Republican in protest? Let’s be real.Gun control is a lose lose proposition
Any other job where you fail as hard and as often as those old fossils do, you get the fucking boot. Why do they think they’re entitled to their fucking seat? You fucked up and have been responsible for having the world’s worst person elected twice now. Time to go.
God the more I learn about this kid the more I am impressed and behind his every move!
Can you tell me more about him? This is the first time I’ve heard of him and I can’t find much online.
Look up the Parkland School shooting. He also has a wikipedia page.
Ah thank you. Wish it said what his BA from harvard was in, but sounds like he’s got some good experience with activism and policy so that’s nice. Hopefully he can find some good candidates/
He was a student during the stoneman Douglas School shooting, then picked up skeet/trap shooting, and it’s currently one of the vice chairs of the Democratic national committee.
Did he go to college for IR? Did he work under anyone in congress? Did he have a career? Advanced degree? Youtube channel? Why is he given 20 Million dollars to fund candidates? Sounds like he might be a good fund raiser with a recognizable name. A face to bring people in, but is he qualified to be making high level decsisions on behalf of all democrats and really americans? Your goal is to run the country for americas benefit right? Not the democrat party?
Why was Elon musk allowed to spend a quarter billion Billion BILLION dollars on a single state’s supreme Court judge’s race.
I think you need to stare into this🪞 for a little longer than a little while.
Well that’s a great point! I thought about it, and I did some research on how the DNC selects its members. I concluded that the DNC itself is an elitist organization that does nothing but provide fake opposition to a real problem with the republicans. I find that the institution itself flys in the face of fair represenation. I’ve really felt that way since 2016 when they didn’t let Bernie take the nomination. But now I’m extra irate. and as i sit here staring at a child who is going to be determining the parties future I have real questions and concerns.
You have snarky answers and downvotes. You got a real address to my criticism or did I lose you somewhere and this is all I will get?
Fucking duh!
I looked in the mirror and what i saw was just another question. Why couldn’t the DNC find a candidate to beat Trump or Mitch McConell or any other psychopath entrenched in office for 30+ years? Why is the DNC’s messaging and strategy so bad that they can lose an election to a deranged tyrant… twice.
Either way I looked in the future mirror and you’re starving in a camp in El Salvador, or maybe starving at your house. It’s the ghost of this christmas future. Have fun when supply chains collapse and your can’t exchange your money for food buddy!
What the FUCK did they think would happen after the most catastrophic election loss in a generation? The DNC and Democratic leadership should have enough of a sense of the gravity of the situation we’re in to resign in shame. Instead they have the audacity to complain?? Seriously, understand how big of a failure you’ve been a part of and actually DO SOMETHING to help solve it.
This is the same Democratic party leadership that ran Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden and Kamala Harris’s campaigns. The same Democratic party leadership that cares more about stopping Bernie Sanders than about stopping Donald Trump. They know who’s side they are on, and it’s not the same side as you and me. The Democratic party is unfortunately rotten to the core, and it’s all about the money. Imagine the concept of regulatory capture applied to politicians broadly and you will understand the modern Democratic party and the state of our government. We need a party built from the ground up to represent the working class, whether it be from the ashes of the Democratic party or otherwise. Primary them at every turn or run independent campaigns where feasible. The other challenge is that mainstream media is owned by the same corporate masters, so it will be an uphill battle regardless.
This is the same Democratic party leadership that ran Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden and Kamala Harris’s campaigns.
Yes but no. The people who won the party leadership elections a few months ago are not neoliberal establishment dems. They’re the kind of people who would, for instance, spend 20 million dollars to primary ineffectual establishment democrats.
Hogg is. They made all the DNC leaders sign a no-challenge pledge recently. Every one of them signed it, except David Hogg.
Also, notably, he isn’t doing these primary challenges in his official DNC vice chair capacity. This is on the side as part of his PAC initiatives.
This is the same Democratic party leadership that ran Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden and Kamala Harris’s campaigns.
Hogg has been vice chair of the DNC for like two months…
How is he responsible for what the old guard did when almost all of them got the boot months ago?
I should have been more clear. The post I’m replying to said “what the fuck did THEY think would happen”… which I took to mean the (presumably older establishment) dems that are whining about Hogg’s call for primaries. That’s who I’m talking about.
They literally think if they sit back, do nothing, and let the Trump regime destroy our government from within, that we will be forced to come crawling back to them next election.
Fuck that, fuck the Dems, we deserve much better than these selfish pricks.
