I’m talking about like tax fraud and stuff.
Do you be the snitch, or do you be like Skyler White and join them?
Neither? I’d wash my hands off the whole thing “on your head be it if this goes to shit”.0
Not calling the authorities, also not going to need torture to tell them what I know if you get caught.
Serious, yes. Tax fraud, no.
Tax fraud may be serious to the govt, and the punishment may be serious, but you’re not hurting an individual, you’re not putting anyone out if business or out of a job, you’re not committing treason, you’re not even displaying sociopathic tendencies. Maybe if it were on the scale of Trump’s tax fraud …
Honestly, if it’s truly a “loved one” I probably wouldn’t even report them for murder. Why? I think that when someone is close enough to you we simply apply different standards to them. Kind of like rescuing your own child from a burning building rather that rescuing two strangers.
I detest people that make serious holes in their morals for close ones. It’s repulsive.
There’s a big difference between committing a crime and reporting someone for a crime they’ve already committed. To me, it’s pretty clear why murder is wrong - but the virtue of reporting a loved one for murder isn’t nearly as obvious.
Generally if a person or small business was harmed then I’ll report them but if it’s the government and they did tax fraud or evasion I couldn’t be bothered.
Snitch on a loved one? Never. If I thought it was ethically or morally wrong, I would tell them what I think about it. Good people also make mistakes, and good people can change.
What if your family member deliberately molested a young child, would you not want to get that child help? Even if you refused to tell the police, you would need to tell someone related to that child and 99/100 cases would result in them reporting the abuse to police.
How is that a non-violent offence?
No and no.
Ponzi scheme or something like that? Yes, I would snitch. Bank robbery, please do not tell me. Cheating on taxes? I will judge you but no, not turn you in, if you get caught you get caught.
As long as nobody is hurt beyond the pockets, I don’t know shit about fuck.
Styler was complicit in a murderous/ deadly underground drug ring, where families are shredded apart and people died.
Someone fibbing on their 1099 isn’t anywhere near the same
First, Skyler was practically a hostage, and an unwilling participant at best. I would describe her more as an abuse victim who still stays with her partner than a collaborator.
But to answer your question it’s always going to be a case-by-case basis because it really depends on the impact of what they’re doing and the harm it causes.
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Defrauding the government? Meh, the government has been fucking us for generations, turnabout is fair play.
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Stealing from some oligarch? Shit, need a partner? Eat the rich.
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Embezzling from your small-business employer? That’s more likely to have a direct impact on your coworkers so I’d be concerned but still probably not.
But more serious stuff like dealing hard drugs to kids, selling guns and bombs to crazy people, killing people, blowing shit up, etc? Yeah, now we have a problem. Now, what gets done about that problem also depends on the person, the activity, and the circumstances.
- My husband came after me with a knife so I shot him? Cool, gimme a call if you need help hiding the body.
- Help I accidentally murdered someone (and it really was an accident)? Gray area, the law probably needs to get involved but I would encourage them to come forward themselves rather than turn them in. If they had a compelling reason not to I might help them or might stay out of it depending on circumstance.
- My wife wouldn’t let me turn our home into the set of a realtiy TV show so I could be a star so I beat her to death (an actual thing that happened)? Hello officer, it was this guy right here.
Agreed. Are they punching up or down? What’s the potential harm and who will it harm?
If they’re just setting themselves up for disaster it’s probably best to remain hands-off and distance yourself. If they have a family I’d at least tell them what an idiot they are and then distance myself. Probably might be worth checking with the partner and tell them to protect themselves if they aren’t part of it.
And yeah, like you said, anything causing harm to innocent parties like selling hard drugs or guns is a non-starter.
Yeah, their reasons for doing it matter too obviously. If they’re just fucking over other people to enrich themselves then I am much more likely to report them (and also stop being friendly, cause that’s not the kind of person I want to spend my time with.)
Also re:selling guns I should clarify - I don’t have an issue with selling guns, even illegally, unless they’re selling to people who shouldn’t have them.
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If it harmed an innocent, probably. If it harmed a government, corporation, or detestable person, no.
Rarely is it only one or the other and not both or even several together, though…
It’s a case by case judgment call.
If it’s non-violent, no. never.
As a general rule, I don’t call the cops on anyone unless that person’s death will prevent immediate harm to others.
Cause if you call the cops on someone, you do put that person (and their neighbors) in mortal danger.
Wow, where do you live? This just sounds crazy to have to worry about this when deciding whether to involve the cops.
Going to guess America, since all of those rules apply for dealing with U.S. police. If you call them, you have to expect someone to die.
“Expect” seems a bit dramatic, since it’s not like they gun down someone on every call. Be prepared for the possibility, maybe.
It goes like this. If you have a problem and you call the cops, you now have two problems. It’s up to you to decide if the first problem is worth getting into the second.
What about taking the direct (early) Breaking Bad example: they’re not gunning people down in the street, but their product is definitely getting poeple, including children, addicted. It’s non-violent, let’s say they don’t even hire people to shoot competitors or whatever, but it is inarguably causing people significant, probably life-long harm.
Ethics comes above personal relationships always. That being said, small-scale tax fraud doesn’t really seem pressing; there’s plenty of flexibility about what to do about that, ethically speaking.
I’d have to duckduckgo where you even report that, because I don’t think it’s the normal police.
I feel like this is the kind of question that needs a whole lot of details before it is answerable.
Tax fraud? Absolutely fuck not.
Drunk driving? Probably I would give them a single “Hey next time I find out you’re doing that I am calling the cops on you” warning shot.
Stealing from their company? Depends, what does the company do and who owns it? Again almost certainly not.
And so on.
No wonder nepotism exists. https://www.statista.com/chart/8668/the-global-cost-of-tax-avoidance/
Personally I make a distinction in tax fraud. If it’s an individual? Meh, whatever. If it’s a company that has a significantly larger impact.
Snitches get stitches. Unless someone is hurting people, I ain’t seen nothing.
10% cut.
Every family and relationship is different, I guess. I feel like active extortion would make the dinners a bit weird for me.
