I find this mildly infuriating, I only use Windows for work, I even personally purchased Windows 11. Local account and disabled as much as I could. I personally do not like Windows or Windows in general.
Well, now I do an update and they throw this up like I need to walk thru these steps (again). Not even a “Skip”/“Don’t remind me again”. Windows is not what it used to be and after disabling half the Microsoft stuff I’d expect not to be bothered again. It’s really a built in ad more then anything.
2023-08 Cumulative Update Preview for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems (KB5029351)
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I find it tedious to have to disable Microsoft crap that is switched on without my knowledge in windows. Get a copy of Autoruns to disable most of that crap at startup.
Thanks for the recommendation, I’ll have a look!
Just upgrade back to Windows 10.
Is that even possible? I thought it was randomly forcing the change to Windows 11 on Windows 10 users anyway.
My PC cant run windows 11 outright, which is hilarious since most of the parts are relatively new.
I’ve been using AtlasOS, which is Windows 10 disemboweled from a bunch of bloat. It runs like a dream, my only criticism is that they’ve gutted a bunch of (imo) critical safety features, but they give you the option to reinstate them in their setup files. The next update for it will supposedly add them back in by default.
Excuse me wait ? How is that possible ? Is that like a moddes OS ?
They basically take the Windows install image that’s freely available from Microsoft, and they strip all the garbage from it.
https://docs.atlasos.net/troubleshooting/removed-features/
Some of the features they remove are normally included for good reason, like Microsoft Defender and UAC. These OS mods are not meant for people who have no tech knowledge. I wouldn’t install this on my mother’s computer, for example.
Wonder if it’s a version of the Tron Script for Windows 10 which goes on a Windows install and decrapifies it:
Takes a while , too much effort to keep using an OS 😅
Windows 10 has this same screen, just a bit different looking. You turn off this notification in the settings menu.
Even if there was the option to skip. I go through the whole setup each time all the way to finishing it. Yet it still comes up again the next time. It’s infuriating.
Not sure what I expected from Microsoft though. I got a 365 subscription about two years ago. OneDrive never worked properly. It wouldn’t sync, and the so-called “Personal Vault” would reset itself everyday while keeping the contents. Forcing me to go through the setup whenever I used it. The email though, was by far the worst. About a year ago everyone would start receiving an absolutely insane amount of spam/phishing emails. I was getting around sixty a day. I have no idea what Microsoft did to fuck things up so badly though.
Yeah, I did give them a try at one point primarily for windows login but too many privacy concerns and yes, I agree their products don’t work for me either. Especially OneDrive and Edge has always been a pain coming built in.
I’m actually planning to switch to Linux as my desktop OS. The main reason I haven’t in the past was gaming. But I don’t do quite as much of that as I used to, and things have gotten a bit better with gaming on Linux since last I tried. Thinking of starting with Manjaro since it’s most likely to have drivers for my hardware.
It’s been like that for at least a ear.
Left or right one?
Oh my god, ahaha.
Yes.
Eh, this particular screen is kind if misleading. You say you dont see a “skip” or “do not remind again” button, well that’s because those buttons are on the next screen(s) for each individual feature. I’ve gotten this screen a couple times, just click through and you can skip/opt out of all the features. It’s kind of silly, but I think the point is that they want you to look at each new feature individually.
Then this screen itself is misleading, because it gives no indication that you don’t need to do the stuff. It should have the X to close the screen, like every other window that isn’t malware.
It should have the X to close the screen, like every other window that isn’t malware.
In other words, it’s designed exactly as intended.
Yeah, but nothing here would be considered as a “new feature” and each is an ad for a product that OP chose not to use during initial install. As such, s/he shouldn’t be reminded of them, especially not during an OS update and certainly not with an unskippable window. Yes, s/he has the option to skip each feature individually later, but this initial window is either a “remind me later” or a “do it now”.
To get into specifics of each item:
OneDrive has been around forever.
If OP customized his/her browsing experience, s/he clearly doesn’t want “Microsoft recommended browser settings” (which, by the way, is Edge with Bing search and with all telemetry turn on high).
365 has been around for a while, and this thing is pushing the subscription (by definition, an ad for a paid product).
Windows Phone app isn’t new, either.
Microsoft Hello has been around for about as long as Windows Phone app and features.
Install. Linux.
Yes.
Yes, install Linux, yes, it’s better, yes, it’s a little different, but yes, you will like it better.
Bloat ware? Gone. Antivirus shit? Gone. Spyware? Gone. Reboots for bullshit reasons? Gone. Forced updates? Gone.
Yeah, but it’s so complicated and games don’t work because there are no drivers!
Bullshit. Drivers exist now for just a out everything and most drivers are put of the box, not like windows requiring installs. Most of not all games now work.
But I needy software X!
Many, not all, but MANY software packages out there have open source equivalents that many times are equal or better than what you’re using. If not that, Wine will allow you to run a huge amount of windows software transparently on Linux. YMMV of course but “I need software x!” barely has been an excuse anymore for using windows.
Did I mention it’s actually free, no piracy involved (though if that is your thing, lots of software available for that too)
Windows sucks. Microsoft software in general sucks. Microsoft platforms suck (looking at you there, outlook, teams, office, and SharePoint, oh my frigging god what pieces of shit you are)
My 3080 mobile didn’t work with anything but arch.
I love Linux but even I get fed up with it a lot. I do think that 90% of games work now though.
Everything driver related except my graphics cards have been great.
Just saying though, Linux isn’t a drag and drop replacement, but it’s still good
I’ll agree that Nvidia really needs to get their shit together, but it DOES work
interesting. I wonder whether that’s specific to the mobile hardware. I have a 3080 running just fine on Mint.
It was specifically a problem with the razer blade I had. I can’t remember the exact issue but Arch had the fix in their kernel or something and ubuntu didn’t
I think it was specifically an issue with hybrid graphics with an amd cpu
It’s not always so simple. I would love to use Linux at work, but my work doesn’t allow me to.
I know, I had the same problem.leep asking them. I’m in the luxury position where I’ll be able to decide what we’ll be using
It’s not work as a company, but work I do in the company, that is preventing me from using linux. I am software delevoper, and we are developing desktop WinForms and WPF apps. The main problem here is that both WinForms and WPF are tied to Windows, and they are not working on any other OS. We would love to port those programs to another platform, but you can’t just port programs that are developed 10+ years overnight. Those project are just too big to port them in some normal time. And there are also 3rd party libraries, that we are required to use, that are made for .NET Framework only. I forgot to mention, that we are using .NET Framework, that is working only on Windows. We could use opensource .NET, which works also on Linux, but even in opensource .NET, both WinForms and WPF works only on Windows. We could use Avalonia instead, because it supports Linux also, but even that is not just straight forward. It would be easier to just create new programs from scratch, but you would still need to support older software, and we just don’t have time nor resources to do that.
Interesting. This sounds similar like the company I’m working at right now. They too have all windows desktop apps and I’m working on porting it all to web apps that simply work on whatever you want to use. Granted, this will take (current estimate) a year or 2-3 if I’m doing it all by myself, but then they’ll have an entirely new platform that is a bazillion times better than they have now and it will work with Linux without a hitch.
I guess the solution there is to just start, somewhere anywhere.
I built my own framework for this, specialized to build web forms and handle tables easily so with this I can rebuild all their required functionalities quite fast
Not gonna claim its eay to use, not gonna claim it’s easy to install, not gonna claim its easy to replace existing software wit OSS alternatives.
But damn, it feels so good.
It is super easy to install it’s super easy to use. Finding replacements for software in Oss products may take a little time but I’ve found everything I need since 20 years ago. Today nearly everything is out there .
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Sure, backup is not something you can skip, but the others: Yes. And the backup option should show other alternatives like Veeam, otherwise they are abusing their position in the market and be banned from EU.
Yes, they dont respect the user choose either. Thinking it is their computer.
Shifting to Linux is a solution but not for everyone. Like IT only support Windows computers to minimize cost.
Me at home: If only I could pay someone to build as smooth fonts on Linux as it is on Windows in the web browser by default. Only when websites use fully custom fonts they look good. But default with new Times roman get unusual small or big without truetype etc. Also many applications in the Linux world have poor UI due to poor funding. Result is no designer and gigantic hit area for button due to too far between the buttons.
I’m not entirely sure what you’re talking about but your typical Linux UI tends to look enormously better than windows, beauty being in the eye of the beholder of course.
The way you talk it sounds like you saw Linux 20 years ago and figured it still is stuck there. I have a 3D multi monitor desktop with all the bling you can imagine. Much of it is just that, bling, and I mostly use it to convince people that Linux is awesome (come for the bling, stay for the actual real awesomeness) bit seriously, typical Linux looks SO much better than windows… try KDE desktop, for example.
You can on a website with HTML 5 specify exactly the font and how it should be interpreted. Those look exactly the same. Good. But if they are not use then often some old font names are used with no more info than size. If nothing specified then browser default font is used. But what about anti-aliasing and handling the hinting? It is about trick the eye to think something is very round when it in reality it built based on squared pixels. Microsoft Truetype was a must when you made the transition from CRT screens to LCD screens. I have seen websites were the text makes the column wider, into the need row and messing up the whole websites layout due to this. I think what it all comes down is that Microsoft old fonts are therefore still used a lot. On Android it is all okey due to we have such high DPI screens.
Yes, over the last years fonts have improved a lot, making the Desktop look good.
What you’re saying is something that should be fixed by responsive design and ensuring that your required fonts can be downloaded though your page (source: I built (for over 20 years) and build web page systems myself for a living). Anti aliasing should not cause your webpage to be rendered wrong in any way. Maybe it looks nicer or not, but your layout should not be messed up over that.
Either way, websites these days just send the fonts they want. Don’t start about efficiency on that, people seem not to care anyway, but it does all work. Also on Linux.
I’ve had a Linux only desktop for the last 20 years and I’ve never had issues with any websites
good points but it’s not so black and white
Nothing is black and white but in windows vs Linux it’s simple: you want to get your computer back for just you? You want to do whatever the hell you need to do? Switch to Linux and be happy
Will digital combat simulator and my IR head tracking work?
I don’t know, but there is a good chance. Try
Apparently DCS works (with lots of problems) through wine, but the trackIR doesn’t work and the HOTAS has issues. DAW works but MIDI also looks like a massive PITA…
I don’t know what HOTAS is but it sounds like something very specific / specialized? Maybe contact the supplier and ask if they have Linux drivers available? A lot of times it’s not that hard to support Linux as a platform.
This was since forever in Windows 10
Sign in with a touch or cringe.
That choice between Remind me in 3 days or Accept shows the compete contempt they have for the user.
Also that idiotic “let’s finish setting up your computer”, as if Microsoft is your friend helping you out.
Guys you need to stop using this software. Why do you think so many fan boys are yelling about linux all the time? Because it’s fantastic these days.
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The Windows 11 Set Up Wizard with the following text: Let’s finish setting up your PC Your PC needs to be backed up and connected to a few more Microsoft services to help you work more easily and securely across all your devices. Back up your files with OneDrive cloud storage Have peace of mind knowing they’re backed up and available across your devices. Enhance your web browsing experience Restore Microsoft recommended browser settings. Achieve more with a Microsoft 365 subscription Get premium Microsoft 365 apps, 1 TB of cloud storage to back up files and photos, and more. Back up your phone to your PC Access your phone’s photos, texts, and more, right on your PC. Sign in quickly with Windows Hello Securely unlock your device with a touch or a smile. Below are the buttons Remind me in 3 days and Continue
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Is there a way to put alt text in lemmy? I could see the benefit especially for screen readers. I could only see putting it in the content section right?
Mostly I’ve seen it in the text part of the post as part or all of the description/text.
Laughing from a PopOS Virtual Machine (I’m getting my AMD GPU soon, I’ll switch over fully then I promise!).
I swear this gets posted weekly, there’s a simple solution but it’s always missing from the comments.
Go into notification settings
Uncheck “Suggest ways I can finish setting up my device to get the most out of Windows”
While you’re at it, turn off any of the other suggestion / recommendation settings.
Except Microsoft will occasionally reset settings on updates.
The problem is, there’s no immediately visible option to stop this crap; stopping said crap therefore takes time, which is an individual person’s single most valuable resource. People have to go searching through settings or go googling ‘how do I do this’ in order to disable this, and even that slight inconvenience means there’s going to be a lot of people that want to disable it, but end up not bothering, and that’s not a good thing. Rule of thumb, if it’s not absolutely trivial to do on a whim, it may as well be impossible.
I did already have this turned off, and it still pops things up like this and trying to get me to sign into a Microsoft account. It’s just annoying and they don’t provide an option to skip or don’t remind me again which makes it even worse.
This feels awfully as a desperate move…
Are M$ numbers dwindling lately or are they just scared there is a rise in Linux users (even non tech savvy) and this is a desperate move to capture more peope?
I do believe there is a up tick in Linux users these days, probably not enough though. The main downside the the popular use of Windows in business, if they get converted Microsoft would probably really struggle even with their other markets.
That’s actually a good thing IMO, Microsoft is giving people more reasons to switch to Linux. How kind of them!
ah yes the non-idealistic idealist, i always admired your kind
The new Debian is fucking awesome.
Debian have been fucking awesome since i installed it 23 years ago! It was leaps and bounds better then it’s contemporaries.
I agree, although I used to use it for a dev server and SSH in. It’s a great piece of kit!
Random question but you’d probably know. If I had Debian 11 when debiann12 came out will it update or do you need to reinstall? How has this worked in the past and how do you think the jump from 12 to 13 will work?
I’m used to rolling releases but I recently put Debian on my laptop
I have never needed to reinstall Debian. if sources.list say stable, you’d upgrade automatically. but normally the sources specify the release name “bullseye” and you would change that to bookworm when you want to upgrade.
I installed Debian potato right after 2000 sometime. Because i was so annoyed by running into rpm hell with early redhat releases whatever and having to reinstall all the time. and I apt upgraded to Debian woody, and following the release notes, everything worked. At the time that was wild to see. Have been running Debian on all the servers i touch at work since. The Release notes contain information about what is changed from a regular installation. So you can follow the new defaults if you so want.
I DD’d the installation to a larger harddrive, before upgrading to sarge. and by then it had become a bit of a sport, while not being necessary in any way I have kept on upgrading, and moving my daily driver over to new machines for fun.If you want a rolling release, you can run Debian testing, if you want stability you can depend on, run Debian stable. testing will stick a bit before release, and then have a period of rapid changes after release, but for a not critical desktop, it is generally very nice.
if you want to keep your system healthy tru the decades make sure you read the issues to be aware of in chapter 5 of the release notes for each new release : https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ they contain vital changes you may want to do to keep your system more similar to a freshly installed one.
what’s cool about it?
Debian is the most stable operating system ever, and it’s new version 12, is a really good OS.
What I liked was that it starts quick, never crashes, uses minimal system resources, and with GNOME has an excellent UI. Being a Linux OS that isn’t Ubuntu and isn’t Windows, it doesn’t spy on me.
Also love operating systems that use Bash or similar. I know how to drive them, I don’t know how to drive MSDOS.
I have a very powerful computer but the start time difference between Windows 11 and Debian is insane. Debian starts almost instantly.
I was specifically trying Debian as a gaming platform, so I installed Steam and GOG and a couple of Windows games running through proton. They worked really well.
In the end I had to go back to Window, because it’s just not there for me yet. Most games worked well, but a few have unacceptably low performance. It requires a bit of fiddling to get everything working right as well, because some of the defaults prevent people from just gaming.
i tried mint a couple years back and had a similar experience as far as gaming went, yeah
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It would not help. They just buy a Chromebook instead because there are no other alternatives in the shop. It would be a different story if the thing when you start the new computer get a guide to choose your OS to use. Even better if Android was the same. EU should force this IMO.
Good point, adds to the mountain. I may just see if I could run a windows VM at this point tbh.
I switched to Pop!_OS recently and Windows runs faster in a VM
(because you’ve only installed the 1 app you need to run not your entire life, and then snapshot it after debloating so it’s always the same)
Yeah, I think I am going to setup a VM. I only need it for work due to Windows apps that would work just fine in a VM.
I am actually considering Qubes OS, which might take some work but overall would probably be a good seamless process.
How do you like Pop!_OS? I was looking at System76 computers one day and looked into it a couple years ago. Never gave it a try though, based off Ubuntu right?
Ubuntu/Debian base yeah.
It just worked out of the box for me and runs everything that kept me locked to windows so I’ve stuck with it.
I’ve run Handbrake in a VM because the linux version doesn’t allow setting the default folder for some reason but otherwise haven’t needed Windows in months. and as long as I don’t need to do anymore bulk trascoding I’ve probably seen the last of it.
If you don’t play games like valorant, and only need windows for specific tasks then going with a windows VM is a good option.
We’re getting there! There’s still games that run much better on Windows, and some games still don’t have Linux support. But the numbers are shrinking like crazy (THANK YOU STEAMDECK, Steam is the best company for game health as a whole.)
Also with VR… well, I don’t actually know. I haven’t tried, but will my index be fully functional (and run as well) on Linux?
