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My guess is that they will elect a conservative pope to replace Francis. It is no secret that there are court intrigues and in-fighting in the Vatican between progressive and conservative clergies. Pope Francis openly went toe to toe with many ultraconservative, MAGA clergies in America, de-frocking one of the priests.
There is no progressive in the catholic church
You ended up in the Catholic thread bro, everyone here bought the PR and actually believed this guy was good
You will hardly find any theists in Lemmy, let alone staunch Catholics.
You have to give credit to where it’s due, Pope Francis did his best as the leader of one the biggest religious organisations. And I am not defending where the gap of his leadership had been, but leaders never have absolute authority because this is an often false notion they always do. Keep that mind, as he still have to contend with his subordinates. I mean, a leader is still just one person versus the aristocrats and elites who lend support and authority. The subordinates actually have the power if you think about it (like, who elects the pope after all?) That being said, I am no longer religious but I have read over the years of court intrigues of friction between conservative and progressive Catholic clergies. Many conservative clergies complain about Francis and said they miss Pope Benedict XVI. Francis had to play a delicate balance of court politics.
Vatican itself does not have much influence on this election. Francis was smart enough to appoints lots of bishops from “remote” regions like for example Mongolia or Pakistan, who have not been able to form political networks with each other and make it far more difficult for court intrigues to work out. Yes , the conclave surely will see those again, but there should be a counter weight at play here
Breaking news: Pope Francis is still dead.
Yeah, meeting JD Vance can be too much for anyone.
We should spread the news that Vance killed him!
vance liz truss’d the pope
Honestly, it’s not even hat far fetched. He probably denied visits because he was in bad health, yet Americans probably pushed to meet anyway
I believe the pope met with the UK PM and one other dignitary the previous day, so he wasn’t denying all visits.
Edit: … and he did meet with Vance the next day.
I would imagine they have some beautiful, world class couches in the Vatican. I can only imagine what the Pope walked in on!
This is huge, pinning it for now.
One would even suggest this is world news.
Definitely. This potentially changes the structure of the Church which impacts every country in which it operates.
1.3 billion followers in 160+ countries.
Yeah, “guess I’ll die” is a normal reaction to meeting JD.
Yeah, it’s sarcastic but could be definitely true: https://newsthump.com/2025/04/21/pope-loses-will-to-live-after-meeting-jd-vance/
Speculation is now mounting as to whether Vance might face manslaughter charges if lawyers can prove that sucking all hope from a room is technically a crime.
Lmao this has my rolling
I remember him as one of those important men who failed to condemn Russian aggression. Maybe the next one will have a better moral compass.
He condemned the Russian aggression on multiple occasions.
Quick search shows he did condem it.
May he rest in peace.
I’m actually sad about this one. He was by far the best pope of my lifetime.
Low bar.
True but he exceeded the existing bar by a lot.
Speed bump.
Yes, but if the next one is a little better, and the next one, and the next one…
The church evolves very slowly.
Doesn’t help they pick the oldest guys in the room to become the pope.
That’s why they keep doing it, same thing in politics. Old people holding back progress in a desperate attempt to grasp onto power just a bit longer.
I mean, I think they’re also choosing old people to be pope because it’s a “for life” thing. Plus the whole wisdom aspect and shit since it’s religion
I feel like anyone who still believes that crap that age necessarily brings wisdom needs to be prevented from making any political decisions at any cost.
Of course it doesn’t necessarily bring wisdom, agreed,
Also agree with considering life experience though
If politics is anything to take a pattern from, things will get slightly better, but those moments of hope are followed by gigantic steps backwards.
You’ve really got to boil that frog for a while
They will definitely not appoint an even more progressive pope after him. He was “the progressive pope” for a time and now they will shift gears in the other direction for a time. The Catholic Church is not on some steady progressive march. Especially the way politics are going around the world, you can expect a very anti-woke pope next.
That is by no means a given! In fact we should expect a counter-movement within the church, as that’s what happens if a leader is gone that was pushing the organization in a more progressive direction against the will of many influential members.
He was the best child rapist out of the lot of them 😢
I hope his religion is real so he can burn in hell with his predecessors.
I feel depressed watching someones last days no matter who they are. R.i.p. I think it was brave of him to be in public for so long.
Spokesperson of the biggest pedophile ring dies, and that makes me sad.
He had the dopest pope rock album too, I imagine that record will stand
Don’t be sad, he was as just bad as any of his colleagues.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/11/world/europe/pope-francis-homophobic-slur.html
Of course the worst pro-russia troll would also troll against catholicism, why am I surprised
Calling out the the admin of a homophobic cult and pointing out their homophobic slurs is “trolling”
You are definitely in good faith for accusing people of being russian trolls in a pope thread…
I have terrible news for you if you think using a homophobic slur is as bad as anything the previous popes and cardinals have been doing.
The homophobic slurs should also be a reminder that the catholic church is a homophobic cult.
If your concept of a religious institution that has more than a billion people listening to it is reduced to “homophobic cult”, how does that differ from being part of a “bigoted cult” because you condemn people based on your simplistic understanding of their religion?
The catholic church is indeed a homophobic cult that condemns homophobia as a sins for which you get punished in hell, having million of followers or being popular doesn’t change the fact. Scientology has millions of followers are we going to give them any credibility because of that?
How does your sentiment differ from someone who would say:
The
catholic churchLGBT is indeed ahomophobicsinful cult that condemnshomophobia as a sins for which you get punished in hellreligion as being a homophobic cult, having million of followers or being popular doesn’t change the fact.You take the broadest brush and just stroke over everything, instead of being willing to accept any nuance.
Probably because one is founded on evidence and the other one is founded on a made up concept by the institution in question.
Isn’t this ‘whataboutism’?
This was tbe same man that said being homosexual isn’t a crime and doesn’t merit persecution for it, albeit by the catholic creed being a sin.
An insult is only as long someone allows it to be.
Downvote away.
He did get a lot of things right:
Pope Francis says Trump ‘is not a Christian,’ Trump responds
He’s the internally appointed CEO of a cult persuading people to believe that ghosts are real. The blessing of same-sex couples is a stunt the catholic church pulled to save face in 21st century, their different treatment of homosexual couples still speak loud about their cult homophobia.
You are hard pressed to be more of an atheist than I am.
You expect dogma to be nullified with a snap of finger? Even more when that same dogma is taken from the book on which the creed is built upon?
As if people require any sort of excuse to shun and persecute those who are different.
I find it more important countries to codify into law the right for anyone, regardless gender or sexual orientation, to enjoy the same rights, including marriage if so they choose but like it or not, a man forcing that small change into a monolithic, organized, religion is something to be recognized.
You expect dogma to be nullified with a snap of finger?
I expect homophobic cult leaders to be called out for what they are and not praised or defended
Then start by the first line priests.
Those can be some of the worst individuals in the church, and some of the best, at the same time.
There are incredibly forward thinking, humanist and humane individuals acting as local parish priests, individuals that entered the ranks for personal calling and devotion, doing their best to push back on backwards thought and belief on “pious” communities. Those should garner wide support, when it is the exact opposite that happens, with usually the most reprobate and closed minded individuals being seen as “good” priest and thus rising in the ranks, to keep the status quo, one generation after the other.
Institutions are made of people. That man did little but achieved something to move the creed in a better direction. Most just tend to small affairs or outright go for even more dogmatic understandings of outdated subjects, which by itself drives away more people.
Now that I think about it, as reading or being knowledgeable of what any “holy” book holds is the best way to create atheists, maybe those are doing the best job.
Even the “best” individuals in the catholic church are still the members of a homophobic and misogynist cult persuading people to believe that ghosts are real. catholic church bending and changing its own sacred holy laws as it suit them is more proof of their bullshits.
Francis was known as a liberal reformer, making headlines across the globe by permitting the blessing of same-sex couples and promoting global action on climate change.
Francis worked as a janitor and a chemical technician in the food-processing industry before entering the seminary.
He was outspoken about clergy abuse and called on the Catholic Church to “act decisively” against paedophile priests just months after his 2013 appointment.
Francis was known as a liberal reformer, making headlines across the globe by permitting the blessing of same-sex couples and promoting global action on climate change.
He was also known as the ceo of a homophobic and misogynist cult and for strolling around italy in a private helicopter.
He was outspoken about clergy abuse and called on the Catholic Church to “act decisively” against paedophile priests just months after his 2013 appointment.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/19/pope-francis-victims-church-sexual-abuse-slander-chile
“As if I could have taken a selfie or a photo while Karadima abused me and others and Juan Barros stood by watching it all,” tweeted Barros’s most vocal accuser, Juan Carlos Cruz. “These people are truly crazy, and the pontiff talks about atonement to the victims. Nothing has changed, and his plea for forgiveness is empty.”
Wasn’t this then 6 months later:
Pope Francis begins purge at Chilean church over sex abuse scandal
Francis realized he had misjudged the Chilean situation after meeting with Cruz and reading the 2,300-page report compiled by two leading Vatican investigators about the depth of Chile’s scandal, which has devastated the credibility of the church in a once overwhelmingly Roman Catholic country in the pope’s native Latin America.
“A new day has begun in Chile’s Catholic Church!” tweeted Juan Carlos Cruz, the abuse survivor who denounced Barros for years and pressed for the Vatican to take action.
“I’m thrilled for all those who have fought to see this day,” he said. “The band of delinquent bishops … begins to disintegrate today.”
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/pope-francis-begins-purge-at-chilean-church-over-sex-abuse-scandal https://apnews.com/article/33b208ef4bc84576a503b059629607db
Sounds like you could maybe… forgive him… for making a mistake while attempting to cleanup the worst mess in modern catholic history?
But I’m not a catholic or religious at all
They took action after there was a public backlash. Do you know what the context of the original comment is?
This comment proves the church’s PR experiment worked. The lies worked. He wasn’t progressive, he was a hard conservative, homophonic, misogynist who defended pedos and spewed hollow platitudes while sitting on a trillion dollars. But the church put him in place and threw a huge propaganda machine behind him and you bought it
Edit: to the pedo lovers in this thread who are gonna miss king pedo
This comment proves the church’s PR experiment worked.
Conspiracy theorists are so weird… Like do you imagine a smokey room with the pope and a group of cardinals talking about how they want to represent the church in a completely opposite way to how they want it to be? Or is there a “shadow church” that controls it all and the pope is unaware?
Which marvel movie best reflects the situation do you think?
lol we have proof of these people causing genocides and raping children but sure that’s far fetched
Proof of things “A” is not proof of things “B”
I mean, the Catholic Church is a political organization that has global reach, I don’t think it’s a wild conspiracy that they carefully consider their appearance.
This comment proves the church’s PR experiment worked. The lies worked. He wasn’t progressive, he was a hard conservative,
This phrase, right here, sounds like it came from a conspiracy theorist. Because that’s exactly how conspiracy theorists rationalize things. Anything that counters my belief is “lies” and it’s just a “PR experiment”. It can’t possibly be that the pope is, like most people, complex with varied beliefs and potentially even contradictory beliefs.
No. It’s “lies from a PR department”. 🙄
But they do have a pr department. The holy see is a political organization. They are an internationally recognized government with diplomatic relationships. While not a member state of the UN they are permanent observers and influence decision making on a worldwide scale, and it’s not a secret that the church, which is run by the same person as the holy see (the Pope) has had its fair share of controversy.
I don’t think it’s a stretch to think the holy see spends time and effort in order to make their appearance, and the appearance of the church, look better.
“I don’t think it’s a stretch” and “they have a PR department” are not “evidence”.
Did you even see the earlier Popes? He did everything you say and yet this guy was liberal by every definition compared to the guy he replaced. Benedict was nasty and he knew it.
He said a lot. Did the opposite and continued the church’s status quo, you’re a fool if you think his pro lgbt talk was sincere, actions speak louder than words
homophonic
I think he was the first Pope Francis. But even if he were the second, that wouldn’t make him a homophone.
I guess all popes are homophonic in some languages, like in Spanish “la papa” is potato and “el papa” is pope.
You win the award for funniest spelling pedantry of the month.
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So him not meeting Vance earlier may not have been a snub then☹️ (he did)Was he involved in any of the traditional Easter stuff? (He was)
I mean… he did meet Vance. I don’t know why there was lies being spread around about that. All you have to do is do a quick little search and you’ll get pics from several angles of the pope and Vance chatting.
I will say, though, that the pope looked rough, so it isn’t super surprising that he passed shortly after.
On Saturday April 19th he met with Pietro Parolin. This was framed as a snub. On Sunday 20th he met with Francis.
That’s what I get for getting my news from Lemmy memes.
Updated my comment
That’s fair. I have fallen for fake news myself a few times too.
“I know you have not been feeling great but it’s good to see you in better health,” Mr. Vance told the pope, according to video footage of the visit
Wonder if he really made it through the Easter or whether they kept it covered so that it looked like so
He made an appearance at Easter mass yesterday.
Hologram technology really has come a long way
Mustered up that last goodbye to the people
Did they do an Easter at Bernies?
He was an alright Pope in the end. Not a soulless bastard like Benedict.
They are priests, they are all the same, no matter the cult or the specific affiliation (Jesuit in this case): https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-paedophile-priests-children-god-vatican-b2336786.html
According to the article, the context for the flashy headline is that all Catholics are children of God and that all must be treated with compassion, while still acknowledging that pedophiles are monsters.
I will not pretend that Francis’s hands are totally clean. He has mistreated abuse cases in the past. Around 2019 he actually started implementing some reforms that have to some extent helped. While I don’t think he did enough, he did much more than his predecessors. I highly suspect the next pope will be another Benedict and not another Francis. Consequently, I suspect that the mishandling will get worse.
Well, now it’s time to swing to an even Nazier Nazi.
You joke but there is a genuine possibility that the Vatican might elect someone who is more conservative, if not very so. The Vatican under Francis had been the most progressive it had been in decades. And it ruffled the feathers of many conservative clergies.
Oh, it wasn’t a joke, I was just saying it in a humorous manner.
Yep, and there’s no way Musk, Trump, and Putin aren’t trying to rig that vote. A Papal blessing would go a long way to speeding up their march.
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He even opted out of the traditional, expensive papal funeral and requested to just be laid in state and then buried in a wooden coffin lined with zinc.
I can’t not read this as “expensive paypal funeral”.
Why zinc?
It’s a fairly common lining for coffins that you’re gonna either transport internationally or put in mausoleums. It keeps the body preserved for longer and takes about 100 years to break down.
Since he died on Easter Monday, is he going straight to heaven?
let’s wait a couple days and see if he comes back
You literally missed the right number by one.
I don’t think they did. In the bible, Jesus died Friday afternoon and rose Sunday morning. That’s pretty close to two days- just over a day and a half, depending on when God yoinked his son’s spirit.
The tradition took place over three days, but we’ll know if he’s a’risin’ by the day and a half mark.
Well done! As Martin Luther King Jr said:
“Love cannot drive out pedantry, only more pedantry can do that”
Why is this pinned? This person was the CEO of a cult persuading people ghosts are real and manipulating them to give the cult money. Thanks god he’s dead.
There’s a time and place to be a euphoric neckbeard. This is neither.
The cult this guy is the internally appointed CEO of, does not spare people guilty of homosexuality even after their dead: they are to be damned for the rest of the eternity.
A pinned post where people are praising him to me looks like the right time and place to remind people about the shady shit this guy was involved in.
Yeah yeah yeah you’ve spammed the same thing all over the thread and I don’t give a fuck. We all know the issues with religion.
It’s already been shown elsewhere you’re sensationalizing old stories to turn another person’s death into your soapbox. It’s crass, and it turns people away from your message. If you’re going to use someone’s death as a jumping-off point for pointless masturbatory anti-religious rhetoric, be prepared for people to see it for what it is and you for what you are. Or at least use a fucking thesaurus dude.
you’re sensationalizing old stories
They are not old stories, the homophobic slurs were from last years and the context is a recent scandal.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2021/vatican-sexual-abuse/
If you’re going to use someone’s death as a jumping-off point for pointless masturbatory anti-religious rhetoric
“Someone” is the internally appointed CEO of a cult that use death for any sort of non-sense masturbatory rhetoric.
“Old” is subjective, and I’d still say they’re old and have been repeated ad nauseum, but you definitely left out the context that would cast doubt on your initial message. This is intellectually dishonest.
I wish you’d quote what I said about the thesaurus and take that into consideration, too. There are other words besides “internally appointed CEO” and “cult.” It’s literally just spam for spam’s sake. We get it dude, you’re mad at the church. Go be mad at it someplace other than a news thread.
You don’t come across as someone who cares about these issues or the people who have been hurt by the church. You come across as someone exploiting death for the sake of argument, which makes you no better than the Catholic church by your own admission.
Now fuck off back to r/atheism and quit spamming lemmy news threads with edgy drivel.
but you definitely left out the context that would cast doubt on your initial message.
Here is it:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2021/vatican-sexual-abuse/
The cult leader was addressing sexual abuses in church seminars and said that there are too many “fags” in there.
someone exploiting death for the sake of argument, which makes you no better than the Catholic church by your own admission.
Unlike the catholic church i’m not exploiting death to convey lies and promote my cult, i’m not exploiting death at all i’m simply commenting on a pinned thread about the shady stuff this guy was involved in.
Now fuck off back to r/atheism and quit spamming lemmy news threads with edgy drivel.
r/atheism is where they discuss the non-existence of god. A news thread looks fit to discuss the shady scandals involving the person in question. Perhaps you should go to r/chatolicchurch
At this point, it just feels like I’m punching down. So I’m gonna go ahead and stop, because you clearly are not equipped to meet me where I am.
Please continue spamming the same link with the same commentary. They are sure to listen to you if you just scream louder. You aren’t swinging at ghosts at all. :)
Nah. Cults are small religions. He was in charge of the biggest religion. That’s the opposite of a cult.
I’m gonna specify next that the pope is in charge of the biggest cult.
The loss of the Pope represents a seismic shift impacting 1.3 billion Catholics in 160 countries. It’s the definition of “World News”.
I’m not a Christian and I recognize this which is why I pinned it. Will do the same thing for his funeral and the election of the new Pope.
A billion people live in India, i expect a pinned post next time india pm dies, for his funerals and for the elections of a new pm…
If Modi suddenly died, you bet it would be pinned. Same in Politics if Trump died.
