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Apparently, Ukrainian drones pushed through and started a chain reaction.
Explosions reportedly continued for hours, and authorities evacuated nearby settlements. Initial reports indicate that the site, previously protected by one of Russia’s densest air defense networks, suffered catastrophic damage.
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Grab your favorite bottle of vodka Alexei, we’re watching fireworks tonight.
I’m pretty sure competent militaries store their munitions in networks of dozens if not hundreds of earthen bunkers per site, specifically so shit like this can’t happen.
264 kilotons is a fuckload of bombs.
I guess we don’t have an accurate source on what percentage of munitions his was.
I would confidently assume 100% of it was munitions
If you think of the fill percentage, I think that’s too optimistic, since they’re in a war. There is constant demand. However, even 50% would be an extremely big amount, and relieve Ukrainians from a lot of pressure (last year, when a similar thing happened in Toropets, it had effects on the front within weeks). This time, from the videos I saw, there was enough to keep detonating for a long time.
Whatever the fill percentage and loss percentage, the site is closed for a long time - if something remains, it cannot be reached, it has to be examined and re-certified. But more likely, very little will remain.
In the coming days, satellite photos will tell what the situation is.
I think they meant 100% of the explosions were munitions, not 100% of the munitions exploded. 'Twas a joke.
That’s like ten small nukes.
They may not have enough manpower to guard a more distributed site, especially if they’re afraid of internal groups seizing some of it.
I assume that bunkers protect you from a chain reaction, but that at some point the explosion is big enough that a chain reaction is exactly what you get.
This definitely seems like it would have been big enough to cause a chain reaction (and/or big enough to show that a chain reaction happened). If so, I wonder what fraction of bunkers exploded. I’m glad we live in an age of civilian satellites, so it’s probably just a matter of time before we get to see the damage for ourselves.
In their infinite wisdom they apparently stored a bunch of ammunitions out in the open.
Russia has a long history of open storage at these sites. They also lost a ton of bunkers a few months ago at other sites. So they likely did not have much of an option, and they chose open store it at their “best defended” base.
I personally would bet that site was overstocked as it was likely the primary ammo dump by default. All of the newly manufactured missiles and shells going there directly from the factories.
Competent being the key word in that sentence, and not an accurate one based on the last few years of intel.
Assuming I’m looking at the right thing on google maps, it does seem to be a lot of earthen bunkers with berms separating them. There are also quite a few free standing buildings scattered around.
I looked at Hawthorne Army Depot (US) to compare, and that one is a lot less dense, but it’s absolutely gigantic.
Competent ones, I think they do.
Possible explanations:
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yet another time, someone had set money aside for personal use, consequently the bunkers had doors made of plywood or roofing tin :)
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arrival of drones was timed to match the loading / unloading of an ammunition train (that’s when even competent militaries have to bring their stuff out)
someone had set money aside
That’s a very nice way to say “embezzle”.
A bullet train, you say?
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It could hold that much, but according to Ukraine it was 105000 tons that exploded. Huge success though.
I’m making a note here.
But you can save money by putting all of them in one place
This fucking rules. Eat poo, Shittin.
oh look they picked a new pope already
Well someone isn’t getting their Christmas bonus (their family can live)
I enjoy when the news headlines remind us they CAN be good
Business insider has videos of the explosion.
“According to preliminary information, there are no casualties,” the ministry said in a statement posted to Telegram. “The cause of the fire is a violation of safety requirements when working with explosive materials.”
The article also says Ukraine hasn’t taken credit for the explosion, and that Russia has had accidents like this in the past.
Fuck Russia and all that, but now I’m thinking OP is full of shit.
Rusky spin obviously
Neither the article in the OP nor the Business Insider article claim that it was an attack by Ukraine. The BI article says that Ukraine hasn’t commented on the explosion:
The Ukrainian military has not commented publicly on the explosive incident at the Russian facility. It frequently carries out long-range missile and drone attacks against Russia’s energy and military facilities, including ammunition depots.
I’m not saying they didn’t do it, or that the accident explanation isn’t propaganda, just pointing out that OP mayhaps is pulling this out of their ass:
Apparently, Ukrainian drones pushed through and started a chain reaction.
Invaders out of Ukraine.
If they left they wouldn’t learn the lesson.
Must have been one hell of a fireworks show, good hunting finding the next one.
Slava Ukraini
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Can we have links to more reputable, known news sites please? Never heard of that one. Here’s the BBC.
Russia’s military blamed the blast on ammunition which had detonated after the storage building caught fire due to a “violation of safety requirements”.
Huh, I suppose maybe a drone-sized violation?
The safety violation will be that the ammunition wasn’t stored in the proper storage bunkers and was therefore vulnerable to an attack setting off the whole lot.
…and then an attack did just that.
Alexander Avdeyev also threatened journalists and residents with fines if they shared unofficial information about the blast.
ah yes, i always threaten journalists when there’s nothing to report
You cannot ask for a serious source and then link the BBC.
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Did you find that Hamas base under the hospital yet?
Hi, I’m a left wing rather than right wing idiot. The BBC has proved itself an unreliable source plenty of times. They’re beholden to political influence (see today’s story about one of their staff not being allowed to talk about heat pumps because it’s a “political issue”)
And what sort of bias do they have? Their directors and senior journalists are time-servers and toadies put in place by the Conservatives during their 14 years in power. Starmer has not cleaned up that mess. Gilligan: Tory. Kuenssberg: Tory and Boris Johnson admirer. There are few centre-left voices and none at all speaking from a more leftist point of view.
I think it’s more that the British Press in general is pretty political, heavy on the spin and hence one of the least trusted in Europe by the locals themselves.
When it comes to the Russian Invasion of Ukraine - which is very politically and geostrategically significant for the UK government - the level and direction of the bias of the BBC is no different from the Euromaidan Press hence for those who think the latter is not a “serious source”, the former is also not a “serious source”.
Mind you, on different subjects which are not related to the Russian Invasion of Ukraine (such as the Israeli Genocide in Gaza) I fully expect the Euromaidan Press is often less biased (on this specific example, significantly so) than the BBC.
Just because the BBC is posh doesn’t mean they’re honest (in fact from my own experience living in the UK, posh more often than not means fake. manipulative and dishonest)
Of course I can, look, I just did.
At that point stick with Euromaidan. They are more credible than BBC.
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Good link thanks, let me book mark it if I ever need to waste someone’s time.
Ignore IndustryStandard, they’re an idiot.
Nice cop-out pretending you cannot read the headline.
Thx for the superior one
Those media bias folks hate all sources so whichever you link to someone else is gonna hate on (for good reason perhaps!)—but 2 is better than 1 :)
Have seen euromaidanpress articles before, I think they’re legit if not a bit sensationalist and obviously very pro-Ukraine.
And of course Russia blames a smoooooking incident. There’s this one Russian guy who just smokes everywhere he shouldn’t. Munition storages, aviation bases, flagship Moskva…
Why am I now picturing a chain smoking Forrest Gump? “Life is like a pack of cigarettes, you never know what’s gonna blow up.”
Sensationalism is the kind of red flags I run away from… Obviously the BBC have their own political slant, but I’m aware of it and can correct for that. Same when I read an article from something like Fox “News”.
But if you give me some unknown site of which I don’t know the background and more importantly, who’s funding it, then it’s useless to me and I’ll just add it to the bunch of misinformation machines I run into everyday.
Same guy who removes the safety rails around balconies
Violated their air space byotch….
If Russia truly has fucked its entire workforce into conscription, they may have to pull forces off the frontlines in order to manufacture replacements for lost equipment and munitions.
they’ve torn through a tremendous amount of the soviet reserve hardware they had.
but also have lost over a hundred thousand people, which is gonna hurt any workforce.
woohoo keep going Ukraine!
wasn’t it like 1 million? i know it differs on how you count it, and the wounded and all, but 100k, while a lot, is one tenth of the reported numbers since the beginning.
it’s very hard to tell, I’m probably out of date on my numbers as well.
but teeeeeechnically, it’s over a hundred thou so… “rightish?” :D
technically correct, the best kind of correct :D
I hope the shrapnel flew everywhere. Kudos to Ukrainian drone pilots. Fuck the Muscovites and their foreign supporters.
Thank you for this glorious news! I love it!
If Putler had any sense, he’d spend a fraction of his military budget on making nicotine patches available for free to his orcs. That would pay for itself in no time.
Why patch out a bug that’s working in our favor?
Russians are a lost cause. 3 years and Putin is still unopposed and every single ruzki is silent doing nothing. Putin might as well eat babies for breakfast and no one would have the balls to do anything about it so sense is completely lost here.
Russian culture is beyond redemption and I say this with a heavy heart as a Russian language speaker. So incredibly disappointed.
They aren’t opposing or we don’t know they are? Many people ask “why the US citizen aren’t doing anything against Trump?” when they have been protesting for weeks.
Nah Russians are just incredibly whipped. It’s a society of given up losers.
These are the people who couldn’t be stopped drinking rocket fuel so a poison additive had to be included, the fuck is a patch gonna do?
Their supersonic bombers had ethanol for cooling.
So their crews would take off, then get tanked.
While carrying live nukes.
Between the engineers and the aircrews, just geniuses all around.
Kirzhach is on the far side of Moscow from Ukraine. Did the drones fly over Moscow to reach it, or did they take a longer route?
They may have been launched from within Russia.
Yeah, that’s the fun part of going to war with an adversary that was formerly a part of your empire: they have A LOT of people that can convincingly pass as your nationals - not to mention, there’s a small but meaningful percentage of your own citizens that are going to be sympathetic enough (due to family, social, and cultural connections) to that adversary that they’d be willing to act on their behalf for stuff like this.
This is what the Americans who support a war with Canada don’t realize.
The American government has already shown they’re happy to round up people who look like "foreign enemies"whether they are or not. If your enemy has almost the exact same demographics, all of a sudden there’s probable cause to detain anyone (I know, it’s not like they care about any due process but everything else feels like we’re in make believe land anyways).
So Stalin revisited.
As an American, it is utterly insane to me that there’s a good number of Americans that are just like “huh yeah I guess we’re gonna bomb Canada to make them do what we want”.
Then again, there’s a lot of utterly insane things happening these days.
A lot of my countrymen are gonna be finding out about Type II “sorry” if we try any military adventurism. And I’m sure Greenlanders would welcome an expeditionary force of Finns, considering their rich and storied experience (5-6.5:1 KD ratio; ~5:1 overall casualty ratio, without even considering the Continuation War).
Type II “sorry”
Love this, and now that I see your username I find this quote has a Banksian quality to it.
Type I: I’m sorry
Type II: You’ll be sorryIt is absolutely an Iain M Banks reference (and thank you for noticing <3). I identify as a GSV.
Type II (alternate): said cheekily, immediately after finding a loophole in the Geneva Convention
GOU Type II Sorry
ROU Geneva Suggestions
LOU Trench Raid
GCU I Never Agreed to a Truce
This is exactly why Zelensky is saying Ukraine needs to be made whole for sustainble peace. Bitter Ukrainians will not let go otherwise and Russia is such an easy target for them. How will you keep peace agreement when every Russian car is a bomb now?
