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Apparently, Ukrainian drones pushed through and started a chain reaction.
Explosions reportedly continued for hours, and authorities evacuated nearby settlements. Initial reports indicate that the site, previously protected by one of Russia’s densest air defense networks, suffered catastrophic damage.
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If Putler had any sense, he’d spend a fraction of his military budget on making nicotine patches available for free to his orcs. That would pay for itself in no time.
Russians are a lost cause. 3 years and Putin is still unopposed and every single ruzki is silent doing nothing. Putin might as well eat babies for breakfast and no one would have the balls to do anything about it so sense is completely lost here.
Russian culture is beyond redemption and I say this with a heavy heart as a Russian language speaker. So incredibly disappointed.
They aren’t opposing or we don’t know they are? Many people ask “why the US citizen aren’t doing anything against Trump?” when they have been protesting for weeks.
Nah Russians are just incredibly whipped. It’s a society of given up losers.
Why patch out a bug that’s working in our favor?
These are the people who couldn’t be stopped drinking rocket fuel so a poison additive had to be included, the fuck is a patch gonna do?
Their supersonic bombers had ethanol for cooling.
So their crews would take off, then get tanked.
While carrying live nukes.
Between the engineers and the aircrews, just geniuses all around.
I’m pretty sure competent militaries store their munitions in networks of dozens if not hundreds of earthen bunkers per site, specifically so shit like this can’t happen.
264 kilotons is a fuckload of bombs.
Assuming I’m looking at the right thing on google maps, it does seem to be a lot of earthen bunkers with berms separating them. There are also quite a few free standing buildings scattered around.
I looked at Hawthorne Army Depot (US) to compare, and that one is a lot less dense, but it’s absolutely gigantic.
Competent being the key word in that sentence, and not an accurate one based on the last few years of intel.
In their infinite wisdom they apparently stored a bunch of ammunitions out in the open.
Russia has a long history of open storage at these sites. They also lost a ton of bunkers a few months ago at other sites. So they likely did not have much of an option, and they chose open store it at their “best defended” base.
I personally would bet that site was overstocked as it was likely the primary ammo dump by default. All of the newly manufactured missiles and shells going there directly from the factories.
It could hold that much, but according to Ukraine it was 105000 tons that exploded. Huge success though.
I’m making a note here.
I guess we don’t have an accurate source on what percentage of munitions his was.
I would confidently assume 100% of it was munitions
If you think of the fill percentage, I think that’s too optimistic, since they’re in a war. There is constant demand. However, even 50% would be an extremely big amount, and relieve Ukrainians from a lot of pressure (last year, when a similar thing happened in Toropets, it had effects on the front within weeks). This time, from the videos I saw, there was enough to keep detonating for a long time.
Whatever the fill percentage and loss percentage, the site is closed for a long time - if something remains, it cannot be reached, it has to be examined and re-certified. But more likely, very little will remain.
In the coming days, satellite photos will tell what the situation is.
I think they meant 100% of the explosions were munitions, not 100% of the munitions exploded. 'Twas a joke.
Competent ones, I think they do.
Possible explanations:
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yet another time, someone had set money aside for personal use, consequently the bunkers had doors made of plywood or roofing tin :)
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arrival of drones was timed to match the loading / unloading of an ammunition train (that’s when even competent militaries have to bring their stuff out)
A bullet train, you say?
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someone had set money aside
That’s a very nice way to say “embezzle”.
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They may not have enough manpower to guard a more distributed site, especially if they’re afraid of internal groups seizing some of it.
But you can save money by putting all of them in one place
I assume that bunkers protect you from a chain reaction, but that at some point the explosion is big enough that a chain reaction is exactly what you get.
This definitely seems like it would have been big enough to cause a chain reaction (and/or big enough to show that a chain reaction happened). If so, I wonder what fraction of bunkers exploded. I’m glad we live in an age of civilian satellites, so it’s probably just a matter of time before we get to see the damage for ourselves.
That’s like ten small nukes.
This fucking rules. Eat poo, Shittin.
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Well someone isn’t getting their Christmas bonus (their family can live)
Nice
Initial reports indicate that the site, previously protected by one of Russia’s densest air defense networks, suffered catastrophic damage.
Good chance Ukraine could hit the Kremlin if they wanted to. They have drones with the 500 mile range to pull it off, and Russian air defense has become a joke. The only thing that’s been stopping them was US worries about actions like that causing escalation. Ukraine has had less and less reason to care what the US thinks of late.
Honestly, hitting the Kremlin may actually cause nuclear escalation. Putin’s ego would not survive the hit. Zelenskyy probably realizes this too, he’s not stupid.
Idk at this point, what would Russia have to gain for radiating out Ukraine? Don’t they want that land?
It’s the age old principle of “If I can’t have it, nobody can” that I’m afraid of the most. Anyone reasonable wouldn’t go by it, but if Putin is afraid he’s gonna die, he might as well.
You love to see it!
No, I love to hear about ammo dumps blowing up.
Some conscripts getting his by a drone, struggling to pull themselves upright so they can end their suffering with their own rifles?
That is what I truly love to see.
Pardon me while I go rub one out.
Despite the scale of the incident, Russian officials have offered limited information, with regional governor Aleksandr Avdeev confirming a “blast” but threatening penalties for spreading unofficial reports.
Man, the USA can be a shit show, but at least we can spread unofficial reports whenever we like.
Invaders out of Ukraine.
If they left they wouldn’t learn the lesson.
If Russia truly has fucked its entire workforce into conscription, they may have to pull forces off the frontlines in order to manufacture replacements for lost equipment and munitions.
they’ve torn through a tremendous amount of the soviet reserve hardware they had.
but also have lost over a hundred thousand people, which is gonna hurt any workforce.
woohoo keep going Ukraine!
wasn’t it like 1 million? i know it differs on how you count it, and the wounded and all, but 100k, while a lot, is one tenth of the reported numbers since the beginning.
it’s very hard to tell, I’m probably out of date on my numbers as well.
but teeeeeechnically, it’s over a hundred thou so… “rightish?” :D
technically correct, the best kind of correct :D
Must have been one hell of a fireworks show, good hunting finding the next one.
Slava Ukraini
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Is there a particular reason I only ever see ukraine positive war stuff? And when I see negative ukraine war stuff it’s coming out of trumps mouth?
No, I don’t follow it religiously.
Russia’s apparent war plan involves lots of slow attritional fighting, which isn’t flashy and rarely results in a “Win”. Not to mention we kind of do see the russian equivalent of this attack (Bombing hospitals, shopping malls and power infrastructure) reported on, it’s just not considered a win to kill civilians in the west.
A view I agree with not only on the basis of valuing peace, life and the safety of noncombatants but also on the basis of it not being an effective way to win a war, e.g Korean war, Vietnam war, or the near leveling of London and large swaths of europe in Ww2. Strategic bombing of civilian assets just makes the people being bombed more likely to fight back and willing to endure higher casualties on the front lines.
Fun tidbit, this depot explosion was initially claimed to be “Negligence and mishandling of munitions” by the kremlin, which along with “Smoking accident” is basically shorthand for “Was hit by a drone but we don’t want to let our people know that we aren’t able to keep the war away from them”.
Like the sinking of the Moskva, they choose a story that makes them look incompetent rather than giving the enemy a win. If you have to make this choice, you might be losing.
Negative stuff does come out from time to time, especially when Russia makes big advances, but the underdog effect means that Ukraine typically gets more attention and media coverage for their successful military operations. Russia has had scant few successes over the past few years so they are spreading propaganda that make them look as if they are winning which is getting picked up and parroted by Trump and other neo-fascists in the West.
Because Russia doesn’t go after strategic targets. Only civilians and because (at least in Europe) the vast majority of people fucking hate Russia. Especially countries that share a border with them or used to be part of the soviet union. Nobody hates Russia more than Russians who have managed to get out though. I had a russian colleague who basically gave up on seeing his family until after the war was over and he has no intention of ever living there after.
I see negative stuff often, it’s just that there’s more positive lately. Also, the negative is neglected on purpose, because saying Ukraine is losing, would become a self-fulfilling future.
Mostly since the oligarchs in the western camp wants you to see their propaganda. It would be the other way around if you relocated. But if you really want you can find better sources.
Link some of those sources then.
Nah , you got internet. Do some work to keep yourself informed. I think it’s funny that this is the line here and at the same time negotiating deal is better for Russia than they suggested themselves multiple times. It’s in the mainstream now so you shouldn’t have any issues finding it. But I’m sure your copium can make the coup regime in ukraine winners here as well lol
In other words, you don’t have those sources.
Sources are for shitlibs. Hexbearites like Lovesausage are above such trivial matters like facts and reality.
Yea or as somewhat intelligent beings we know how to search on internet. Try it sometime shitlib
Shitlibbbbb. Dude, get a new word, or do you like repeating yourself on every Lemmy instance you find yourself on, you’re just a deranged little weirdo and it shows
Lmao whatever, tankie. Go bang two rocks together.
It’s always the shadiest, most conspiratorial people that refuse to provide sources and say “jUsT gOoGLe iT”.
Provide sources or you simply will not be taken seriously, and overall look like an embarrassment.
Nah not really it’s mostly sad conspiracy people that follow propaganda and take it for facts. Do some work you can do it.
I’m happy to discuss the fact that the start of the leaked negotiatings are better than what Russia’s demands was before.
If you don’t believe sure , you will just need to wait until it’s undeniable. But as said I’m sure even if Ukraine was flattened and a nuclear wasteland it would be a win for you somehow.
So no source? Not even a link? Just mindlessly spouting off?
Got it, I guess I wasted my time responding in the first place.
So … what’s the latest on Krim? Ukraine getting that or what?
This is evidence that the white house is riddled with Russian plants/propaganda not that the reality on the front is worse for Ukraine than we thought.
We always knew it was bad. It has never been good for Ukraine. If it ever gets good for Ukraine you will see Russians retreating. Nobody knows where that point is, but they are almost certainly closer today than they were a year ago.
So … what’s the latest on Krim? Ukraine getting that or what?
Well yea… replying to you all. Perhaps, I just don’t care. Go educate yourselfs or don’t.
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It is not up to us to provide sources to your claim.
Just admit you don’t have any sources and all of it was bullshit.
I’d assume because we are allied with Ukraine, and you’d see the opposite in Russia.
The Trump administration is very obviously not allied with Ukraine.
Well the US is not the only country that has helped Ukraine.
Basically? Wartime propaganda
Ukraine has been doing individual, small wins like this and they obviously toot their horn when it happens
But on a large scale, Ukraine has been slowly losing ground
small wins like this
This is a medium to large win.
agreed, plus as it stands they’re actually somewhat on track for the “Russian disinformation” leaked 100 day peace plan
Just FYI, even general Ben Hodges says they are in a stalemate now.
Stalemate means Ukraine is fucked because a war of attrition potentially without US support doesn’t look good for them at all
Like, it’s amazing they managed to hold shit together for all this time and all, but damn they’re looking pretty fucked ngl
The US didn’t even contribute 30% of munitions so far. European countries are able to pick up the slack. Just look at how much Germany has donated so far.
It’s the complete reverse, putin can’t continue selling his war if there are not at least marginal gains. Dictatorships are brittle. Russias economy is also flat out a 100% war economy already, there is nothing left to pour into the war any more. Add the soviet stockpiles going dry as we speak.
And if the USA steps away, which would be bad, remember Ukraine produces 40% of it’s war effort itself, the slightly larger part of the rest comes from Europe. And the EU is manning up so it will only get worse for the russians in the long run.
Ukraine will prevail, there is absolutely no doubt about it. The variable is how long time it will take to stop the war and in what way, and get the occupied regions back (yes, including Crimea).
Eh I don’t think they are fucked. I feel like the perception that A. They REQUIRE US support to win (Which the US should be providing them ffs, you made them give up their nukes) and B. Russia is able to keep fighting long enough to win this way, are both false and largely influenced by a coordinated kremlin effort to portray russian victory as inevitable in order to strangle support for Ukraine.
For context, the Ukrainian people are fighting a defensive war and inflicting far higher casualties then they take for every metre of ground they lose and still have a hell of alot of ground to lose, whilst russia is not only at the disadvantage of being the aggressor (Which makes it harder to motivate your forces to fight),being a regime heavily dependent on the perception of their superiority (Making any attack like this a major blow to their “We are easily winning” internal narrative) and have burnt through almost their entire Cold War era stockpiles of materiel (This one is easy to check as a they were kind enough to store it outside in easy view of commercial satellites).
Tldr: Yes Ukraine is losing ground but they are losing it at a price russia can’t afford to pay so russia is desperate for the EU and US to stop supporting ukraine before the russian public wake up.
Russia had no significant gains over the last years with half a million casualties (KIA, MIA, lost limbs, war prisoners), the logistics is crumbling — they use donkeys, the economy and demographic are in the toilet but Russia is extremely good at spreading propaganda. So much so that the US admin is parroting it and putting pressure on Ukraine.
Don’t you hate on donkeys! They are an excellent mean of transportation on tough terrain. I don’t know in what context russia uses them, but the US do so too :D
Well that’s the thing, Donkeys are good for rough terrain like the mountains of Afghanistan NOT the flat open plains of ukraine, In ukraine they are just sitting unarmoured ducks.
And they’re cute too although some can be mean as fuck…
Eh, I’ll take it if we’re talking about actual donkeys and not the Republican party of the US. Did you that, in lieu of a dog, a donkey is a perfect way to protect livestock?
I’m serious, a predator should think twice; A donkey can grab a cougar’s tail and literally beat it to death by using the wildcat as a living flail. Very protective.
Republican party animal is the Elephant. Donkey is Dems.
Whoops, you’re right. Sorry, my Canadian is showing. Tbf, American politics has always been a necessary thing to know about here.
Anyone think it’s weird the Republicans would choose an animal associated with Africa and the Indian subcontinent?
They didn’t choose them so much as adopt them. They were assigned by a cartoonist named Thomas Nast in the late 1800’s. He used them to make fun of the parties and people loved his cartoons so much the animals he used just kind of stuck in popular culture for them.
Just to add, Ukrainians information is remarkably reliant and verifiable, the russian information is kremlin lies, so from the start the russian part is just not very interesing at all.
Also obviously they both talk about good things for them, classic war propaganda.
Add in that Ukraine is the (incredible) underdog and here we are.
This is an important point that people like to ignore, Whilst both sides exaggerate ukraine tells you there are 30 cows in a field when you can only see 28, Russia tells you there is an elephant and three dragons in the same field then tells you you’re falling for ukraines propaganda when you tell them you can only see cows.
oh look they picked a new pope already
Grab your favorite bottle of vodka Alexei, we’re watching fireworks tonight.
