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By all criteria, this a concentration camp. Not “concentration camp” as rhetorical inflation, or emotionally manipulative shorthand, or edgy metaphor—but as in: literally.
As in: detention without trial, state control, inhumane living conditions, forced labor, dehumanization, brutal violence, isolation from accountability, psychological torture, and—by every available logical extension—murder.
That last one we can’t yet verify in the strict evidentiary sense, but the circumstances suggest it like smoke suggests fire, and they are already trying to hide their actions and deny what is occurring.
lol find a better picture, The guys in this picture that you put up are all criminals
you have a point. we can’t defend our institutions by making heroes out of what the public sees as villains. we can, however, say “yeah, most of these guys probably are violent criminals but that doesn’t invalidate the rule of law and the right of due process”. the former will not help change public opinion, but the latter might.
but i’m a bit of a paradox. i happen to agree with trump’s methods. i still see him as a dangerous narcissist, but if i could take that same power and use it to deport evangelicals, capitalist sociopaths, and conservatives, i absolutely would.
it’s a war. we just have to win it. by any means necessary.
NAH bro free the guys!
But seriously these people are idiotic to use pictures like this where these guys are literal scumbags. If you have a chance watch La Vida Loca documentary on YouTube. They even killed the director that they allowed to film them at the end
not gonna do that. i don’t need to be convinced that cartels and gangs are dangerous and brutal. i wasn’t born yesterday.
my question to you is where do you draw the line at who gets due process and who doesn’t?
This is not about due process this is about the picture you guys are using to try to prove your Point. Not one person in El Salvador would Agree to what you are trying to prove by using this picture. Also a majority of these guys in this jail already went through the court process. Look it up, But you’re probably not gonna do that. A lot of of the people in this new jail were already convicted criminals that were In old overcrowded jails that were ran by the gangs. There’s videos of them partying with hookers in the jails Before this one was built. El Salvador didn’t just build a new jail and decide to go find a bunch of people on the street and put them in there.
Also the documentary isn’t for you to pick and choose sides it’s actually a really good documentary
i never made any assertions about the documentary. i just don’t want to watch it.
the way you keep saying ‘you guys’ is concerning though. are you a conservative?
No I’m an independent voter that has voted Democrat going back to Obama when I was first able to vote, Until this last election
How do you know that with certainty if they never had a trial or any kind of criminal proceedings?
These are not the people in the picture that were sent over by The Trump administration. These fully tattooed from head to toe with gang signs on them are all criminals that deserve to be there. If you are not from El Salvador or live there or been there Your opinion doesn’t matter.
Gotcha, if that’s true the article author is being a bit misleading then… do you happen to have a link to anything else I could read to learn more? I’m from Scotland and I don’t expect my views to matter, I wasn’t actually sharing an opinion, just asking a question 😅 If you’re from the area I’m sure you know a lot more about it than me!
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Could you explain to me how MS-13 established itself in El Salvador?
Only suspected to be. Bukele himself concedes a roughly 20% error rate and it’s probably much worse than that.
“Oh but we used to live in fear of gangs!” You still do, you just traded one gang for a different, state-sanctioned one.
Hey guys we found the warden here.
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the right has gotten very good at public opinion chess. they keep putting us in checkmate situations where we have to defend the villains in order to oppose their authoritarian methods. most leftists and liberals fall for it - hook, line, and sinker.
i think it’s time we stopped playing these games, flipped the table, and put a knife to their throats.
It’s a very honest article.
It’s hard to know how to respond, however. The problem is religion. And believe it or not, compassion and the existence of trans people is the key that has allowed the psychopathic class to gain power.
Many religious types see empathy as a threat to their religious beliefs, which are all innately fake. All people who are kind and empathetic and understand science want to be kind to people who are trans, and for religious people, this threatens the core of their belief system. In the beginning, the Unicorn Sky Man created Adam and Even, not Adam Eve and THEM. So if some people are intersex, and some people look male but feel female, or look female and feel male, it exposes the lies of their religious myths and suddenly makes the bullshit at the CORE of their cult very clear.
These religious people can’t admit their beliefs are based on lies, can’t admitted they were tricked into believing bullshit, and so they will cling to ANYTHING that supports their delusional moron cult instead of providing empathy to people who are different.
Suddenly, in come the psychopaths who don’t give a fuck about anyone, knowing full well they can exploit this situation for more power and money. And sadly they have taken this large core of religious delusional idiots, which makes up about 65% of the country, and they are appealing directly to them: “We will support your religious delusions by hating trans people + we have some other ideas.” And the 65% universally voted for it.
The other ideas are all psychopathic ideas to enrich and empower this psychopathic class, which the 65% don’t understand because let’s face it they are all idiots who mostly don’t understand science which is why they believe in religious bullshit, and now the psychopathic class are trying to use subterfuge and obfuscation to hide the fact that the “other ideas” are going to fuck over everyone in order to consolidate power and wealth.
So previously, most cruel movements stopped because of religion: slavery stopped because white women started feeling the hypocrisy of claiming to be Christian while being cruel to black people who seemed similar to themselves, with this similarity in part because white men had been raping black women. The Holocaust stopped because there was a disabled president who felt it was immoral to kill people who were different, backed up by a public who believed Jewish people were part of their religious foundation.
So now, it’s different: the others are people that the 65% can’t relate to with tattoos who are either ethnically different and not linked to their religious beliefs or are trans people who they simply choose to believe are mentally ill because if trans people aren’t mentally ill, it means their religion is based on lies. The psychopaths who have come into power innately understand this. I do not believe for one moment that Trump Vance and their ilk at the top really believe all this religious bullshit. They understand it and they use it.
This 65 percent is a dangerous monstrosity that is destroying the country with their stupid religious beliefs. But there’s really no winning in this situation. The 65 percent cannot become “woke” because they are idiots. Would you wake up a camel or wake up a pig? Can you enlighten a rat or a turkey? No, these people will always be idiots, they are a dangerous amorphous blob of idiocy and if you try to wake them up they will cling to their bibles, truck nuts, and beer while yelling about trans people.
What is also happening is the world is currently being environmentally destroyed. At the risk of sounding crazy, but who gives a fuck because it’s lemmy, we are also dealing with a strange presence that lives in our oceans with advanced technology and flying crafts. They have bases and can alter time, according to some, unless this is all a lie. We don’t know why they are there, we don’t know if this planet is just being farmed, or if they have always been there, waiting like cicadas to feast on all of us once become plentiful enough during some orgiastic 10000 year feast, and no one fucking discusses this bizarre situation or why they are there. The military claims they don’t know. We also do not know if those beings have somehow infiltrated leadership. Our leaders are not tested for loyalty publicly. For all we know, every single major player in the US right now could be compromised. This may not even be a psychopathic class. This may be Russian compromise at best. We simply do not know who in our leaders is loyal because any adversary of the US can see this “hack” is fairly simple: appeal to the delusional bullshit of religious people by hating trans people and you can own the country, because decent politicians aren’t idiots and know that intersex people and people with different gender identities exist. But 65% of the country is actually that fucking stupid.
And so this evil happens, with people being sent to a Latino Holocaust, and there’s really no way to fight it because they control 65% of the public through a hack. There can be no religious awakening of these morons now because any consciousness, any awareness or decency or empathy means acknowledging trans people and that means acknowledging their religion is a heaping pile of lies, which it’s always been.
The psychopathic class, or possibly a controlled class, that has gotten into power also knows the conundrum that decent leaders feel: if you are a decent leader, do you stop fighting for basic normal rights for trans people to try to get some of the 65% back, thereby ensuring some trans people will feel marginalized and literally die as a result through deaths of despair, or do you refuse to morally compromise, ensuring doom? Eventually, more accepting young people are going to start voting, so this problem will eventually go away in 20 years, but the cruelty and exploitation and viciousness is all happening right now. So what can be done right now?
I’m not sure if there’s anything that can be done. I don’t see a solution. I am not sure organization will do anything, protests will do anything, the math just isn’t on the side of decent people. Does anyone think there is a solution to this problem that doesn’t involve waiting 20 years?
Bases and altering time?
The first half of this was great. Then you descended into tomfoolery.
The “tomfoolery” is documented and there have been congressional hearings on it. My point is that we have no proof that everyone in power is not a Russian agent, or worse, and this hack would allow any adversary who sees the exploit to gain control.
There was a time when covid first spread right next to a literal covid laboratory and the media said it was from bats and scientists said they had done genetic testing prooving it came from bats. At the time, even saying that it was possibly more likely that covid came from the covid laboratory was “misinformation” and a “conspiracy” that would get people banned from social media. People like you were the ones who would either laugh or gasp when people suggested covid came from a covid biolab back then. There are numerous public reports documenting unusual crafts decending into the ocean. I am sorry you are too scared or culturally constrained to acknowledge something is happening: either people in the military are lying or it’s real. Either way, it’s not something wise to ignore and you, sir, are the fool, with a name like heliumfart the clown wig on top.
The fact that the 65 percent can be easily controlled through this hack and we can’t be sure if the ruling administration is even loyal to US interests or to something else is part of the problem.
This does seem to be a concentration camp, many people fear what will happen to LGBT people next especially transgender people, and there have already undoubtedly been deaths of depair for transgender people as a result of this.
If you have a better analysis or resolution, please, please write it, suggest options that people who are against extreme cruelty for people who are different can undertake. Because I don’t see how. Much like a parasite is able to get an ant to stand on a leaf, you can literally steal the farms and insurance from the 65 percent as long as you bash trans people affirming the illogical religious beliefs of the 65 percent. You can literally open up a concentration camp in the name of jesus and visit the pope after pretending to believe in kindness if you control the 65 percent by bashing trans people. It is an easy hack: the cognitive dissonance of the 65 percent is incredible and if you can help them not feel that tension regarding the lies at the core of their belief system, you capture that whole voting block regardless of what else you do.
The fact that there may be underwater basis with something down there, or that many military personnel are lying about this, should be a fucking concern, and if you think that’s foolery you’re not thinking clearly. We don’t know if this means another nation, we don’t know if this is a culture from a different planet or a culture that is just advanced and lives in the ocean, we don’t know if it’s some sort of interdimensional consciousness or intelligence. The government in the USA has also lied to people in the US before so we can’t be sure the information they are providing is accurate. We also simultaneously have people in power that are behaving in unusual ways that suggest a possible alignment with Russia and that may be due to mutual beliefs or it may be due to payments. We do not know.
When there is suddenly inexplicably a concentration camp that the US is sending people to, the fact that we do have to second-guess the loyalty of those in power is an important part of this. Although Republicans have often been greedy and selfish, ideological differences were also part of the equation at one point. Now, I am not sure if this is just about ideology.
With the biosphere likely to eventually collapse at the rate the world is going, Republicans either think that they will amass enough wealth that in a neo-feudal hot planet they will be able to survive or they really are so stupid they aren’t thinking at all.
All of these things still don’t solve the problem. The state the US is in is much like if you are using Qubes and suddenly you see your mouse open up a terminal in dom0 and someone type “I have access now.” The USA has been compromised by this transgender-religiousidiocy hack of 65 percent and there is now a rootkit. Someone has control and it’s not even clear who has control nor how to disinfect the system.
I’d be fascinated to hear what the fuck you think is so illogical about what I posted?
I’m oddly happy that, despite what some might call extravagant ideas, you stand by LGBTQ. Goes against the stereotype, and I can only support that. As a side note: the only “extravagant idea” (who am I to say; you can’t disprove a negative — in other words, I mean no disrespect) I’ve ever gotten interested in was Philip K. Dick. You may find his VALIS series interesting; it’s the most persuasive argument for omniscient non-human intelligence I’ve come across, and quite well written at that.
Bit rambling, slightly jumpy to conclusions. Also assuming people can be generalized into a few buckets.
My recommendation. Operation El Salvadorian Freedom after this orange turd is gone
America doesn’t exactly have a great track record when overthrowing central american governments…
Yeah can we not do that anymore. The fuck was/is wrong with these ppl? Let’s support actual democracy in those countries instead.
What, so bomb the fuck out of a bunch of civilians, spend a few hundred billion, and go home a couple years later leaving a power vacuum and acting confused about why you went there in the first place?
Are they already building ovens?
This might be a pile of bodies.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/people-spot-mystery-mound-world-200306315.html
It is my firm belief that anyone who would do this or approve of this image should be removed from society. There should be some kind of test where these images are shown to a person. If they are not disgusted by them they should be imprisoned for the safety of everyone else for life. Not imprisoned like they would but housed somewhere they can do no harm to anyone.
From Wikipedia:
“A concentration camp is a prison or other facility used for the internment of political prisoners or politically targeted demographics, such as members of national or minority ethnic groups, on the grounds of state security, or for exploitation or punishment.”
I’d say it tracks.
They’re right that we should at minimum not allow them to define how we talk about this, and we should call it what it is.
But we should also have a plan to avoid getting put in a concentration camp when we do so. Stay safe, and be good everyone.
They’ve done it before, why would we think they wouldn’t do it again?
Look at the shade of their head. These people had hair. Without hair its easy to think they are typical American gang members with shaved heads. But look at the tan-less skin. They had hair and they were shaved to prevent lice but also to remove their personality. Look at some with glasses. Gang members often hate people with glasses because those people often have more money to pay for glasses.
In all literal sense of the phrase: this is a concentration camp
The first AMERICAN concentration camp is being constructed as we speak. Soon we won’t need Cecot.
Trump has signed an executive order to build a 30,000 bed detention facility in Guantanamo Bay, and a $249 million contract has already been awarded. It is due to be complete in 2030, but it will open in stages.
For context, the average maximum security prison in America is about 800-1200 people. The largest, in Angola, LA, is about 8300. That means this new detention facility will be almost 4 times larger than our current largest prison, which is already several times larger than average.
Its also going to be on a foreign island, surrounded by a (supposedly) hostile foreign nation, far from the prying eyes of the media or the courts.
We’ve seen Cecot, with its giant cells packed with 80 prisoners. We’ve also seen their method of frog-marching their prisoners.
Compare that with Russia’s infamous Black Dolphin Prison where prisoners live this way for the rest of their lives:
they are forced to stand and forbidden from resting or sitting on their bunks from the time they awake until bedtime (roughly 16 hours).
They are also moved about in a similar way as Cecot:
Black Dolphin prison officers have a unique form of escorting inmates: prisoners are kept bent over at the waist while a guard holds his handcuffed hands behind his back, higher than his hips. This escort control tactic allows for maximum control while depriving him of a view of his immediate surroundings (preventing him from escaping and/or attacking prison staff)
The MAGA Nazis are very familiar both of these notorious prisons, and it is likely they will be the model for the the new Guantanamo Bay facility.
So who do they intend on putting in there? He is making it crystal clear that whoever is destined for Camp Gitmo will NOT be receiving trials, or anything resembling Due Process.
Our first AMERICAN concentration camp is being constructed as we speak, Google it.
“No, no, we haven’t actually seen any evidence of murder, we’re just reporting it.”
The stated purpose of CECOT is to put people in violently cramped, close confinement with each other until they die.
It is a deathcamp.
Exactly it’s a death camp.
One thing I noted is that the majority of the people that got deported had tattoos.
Are they intentionally seeking people like that?
This facility, built under President Nayib Bukele’s “war on gangs,” houses over 40,000 men, most of whom were arrested en masse without any process resembling justice—just tattoos, zip codes, or looking nervous.
Not just American deportees…
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The salvadoran government was significantly supported by the US during their civil war. The war lead to mass migration of Salvadorans to the US. MS-13 was originally an LA street gang that the US deported to El Salvador, an act which launched it into an international cartel. They didn’t “make their culture this way”, the US sluffed it’s own problem upon them.
Tattoos are not a sign of a culture getting bad.
Your behavior of intolerance is a sign, however.
People like you are why I wish the US had re-education camps like China. You need to unlearn your bullshit.
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most of whom were arrested en masse without any process resembling justice—just tattoos, zip codes, or looking nervous.
That’s the price they pay for letting their culture get that bad.
Why are you talking about tattoos here?
The person you’re responding to highlighted some text from the article, pointing to injustice of the regime by believing tattoos automatically = jail.
You said their “bad culture” is the price they pay, implicitly grouping tattoo, zip codes, and looking nervous defined by the previous comment all under “bad culture” of those who do go to jail.
You then gaslight me for pointing out your fascism and disregard for civil liberties by avoiding any correlation with tattoos because you didn’t mention them explicitly.
Every knows what you were talking about bro. The fact you asked this question makes me think you’re a troll with no convictions for attacking modern fascism. Thanks for giving that away so all of us can treat you as such.
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I mean, this is a level too generic. They aren’t going after 60 year old women with the Rolling Stones logo tattoo’d on their thigh. However, if you are heavily tattoo’d and from a certain part of the world and a certain race, you should be pretty jittery. There’s been some collateral damage in all the ICE sweeps. The current administration is far from highly competent, and their error rate is carrying over to these arrests and deportations. I don’t trust Trump and co. with the smallest of operations, so I definitely don’t trust them with life-or-death, potentially citizenship-violating mass arrests.
yes, they are explicitly going after people with tattoos https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ice-list-venezuelan-immigrants-gang-members-1235306641/
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Everyone: stop feeding the troll or at least treat them like the lame troll they are. A 22 day old account whose first comment can be summarized as “I’m okay with people with tattoos going to concentration camps”.
There are many very stupid people in the world, but few people this stupid. It’s likely a troll.
Edit: see, even their response to this comment is designed to encourage engagement by making an easily verified false claim. Obvious troll is obvious and not even particularly creative.
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LOL you’re going to have to up your game kid, your trolling is much too obvious. I suggest sandwiching the baiting comments you want people to “rage correct” between plausible statements a person of normal intelligence would make. When every comment makes you appear implausibly stupid, it just becomes laughable. Once someone points out how you’re trolling, you’ve hit the rocks.
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…because you’re banned
Better luck next time. It was a good first try, I’m sure you can do better if you keep at it!
Gross. Actually revolting mentality.
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Oh, you’re calling this shit “independent thought”. Rofl. Hilarious bigot account.
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“I don’t like what they put on their own bodies so I don’t care what happens to them” must be the most brain-dead sentence I’ve read all year
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No, they got it just fine, it’s just a dumb opinion to have.
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You can dislike people with tattoos if you like. You’re doing so in the context of throwing them in concentration camps, and that is dumb as fuck.
So where does the jump from “people that I should avoid” to rounding up and being sent to concentration camps happen? I don’t really care if you avoid people with tattoos, but where do you get off using that as a basis for persecution?
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I’m not using it as a basis for persecution. I’m saying that I don’t care if they are persecuted
Those things are the same thing.
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
I never liked tattoos and they’re more-often-than-not an indicator of people that I should avoid.
I never liked bootlicking, individualistic, snowflake fascists and they’re more-often-than-not an indicator of people that I should avoid.
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And he’s a little bitch scared of tattoos on top of all that.
Hope he never has to go to a hospital. Like 90% of the staff have at least one.
Louder brother.
I never liked glasses… People who wears glasses think they make them look more inteligent, and it’s true.
And that’s why I’m OK with putting every g*asses wearer in the meat grinder.
Yeah, totally normal train of thoughts
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Holiday in Cambodia!
stupid. half the college grads I know, a good number of vets, and none who have ever been in trouble, ever, have tattoos. you are just sick in the head. I don’t have tattos, don’t like them, but I don’t choose my friends by it, or use it as a moral compass.
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i know no good people named shuhsha, and one bad one, therefore we should fucking find and kill them, lock you up and let you suffer the most inhumane fate known to mankind.
yeah it sounds pretty stupid?
or are you different? this isn’t a real argument, it’s in bad faith as a matter of category.
man i’ll stop feeding the troll but whoever you are i hope you know you’re stupid, vile fucking human garbage and partly responsible for the destruction of western society, not whatever weird bizzaro rhetoric you might have in turn to explain why it isn’t “like the good ol days”.
i’d type more but im frankly not even sure you can fucking read, idiot. lmfao.
bullshit
I really hope you’re a child. If you are an adult with this opinion, I feel bad for anybody you come into contact with
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It’s not foreign, it’s just sad.
Is this satire? I genuinely can’t tell
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Okay, definitely not satire.
You’re allowed to say whatever you like, but you’re still a bigot.
I hope you successfully avoid everyone with tattoos forever, but it’s not because they’re the “unsavory” ones here
or, ya know, you and people like you are & always have been gigantic blights on the ass cheek of human civilization.
ooooOOOO now i’m discriminating against YOU how dare I???
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For clarity - you would be okay with someone being sent to one of these facilities if they had a little tattoo of a peace sign on there leg? Or a butterfly on their arm? Or does it need to be a sleeve of demonic symbols? This sounds like it could be a spectrum thing and some of us aren’t understanding your comments. It sounds like you’re okay with someone being sent to one of these horrific facilities merely beacuse you don’t like something they did.
yeah because that’s their one and only trick.
works surprisingly well, tho.
Holy crap I can’t believe you think this is about tattoos and not about atrocity. “I am okay with people being sent to concentration camps, tortured, and murdered because I don’t really like tattoos. If you find this view objectionable, it’s just because you have the tattoo mind virus and cannot tolerate criticism of tattoos.” I cannot express how fucked up this is to say. Like you may be completely detached from reality in this moment and should probably isolate yourself until loved ones can help you. You may be in danger.
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Can i ask where in the world you’re from? I’m personally from Denmark where tattoos are pretty common – i have some myself. But as i’ve come to learn, the perception of tattoos differ widely around the world.
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Well by that logic I don’t particularly like beards therefor, all men with beards must be avoided.
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First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out, Because I was not a socialist.
You joined April 2, 2025. I believe you are just here for thread drift, purposely derailing the topic into a meaningless discussion of tattoos by sharing ragebait.
Uh-oh! Looks like the mods agreed! lol. Thanks mods!
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I’m honestly ok with sending you to a concentration camp with no regards for your safety or wellbeing after that comment.
Tattoos are a form of free speech that applies to one’s body, and should be afforded all of the protections of the first amendment.
I cannot believe we’re having this conversation in 2025.
Or more interestingly evil…could they be given tattoos forcible to make them look like that?
Yikes, I didn’t think of that. It would be a convenient way for them to prove that they are some Mexican gang member.
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They would have to be pretty fresh in photos. They take at least 2 weeks to heal
It doesn’t have to be real tattoos or even really on them if they can Photoshop them in.
But shaved heads for sure and you can see many of them have a 5 o-clock head shadow, meaning that they don’t shave often in real life.
A horrific thought indeed.
By the way, only some concentrations camps in Nazi Germany were exterminations camps. So even without any mass murder this can easily be regarded as equivalent in function to a concentration camp.
We invented concentration camps in the US to deal with Chinese and Native American “undesirables,” back in the mid 1800s. This is just the third time, at least, we have started using them. We only pretend to be better than the Nazis because we didn’t have the idea to use them as mass murder camps, just slow death camps.
You forget 120,000 people of Japanese descent during WW2. And the Biden ICE camps.
And how about Guantanamo for some added gruesome torture?
The one that Obama definitely and immediately was going to close when elected.
And it would’ve been no problem since the US used Polish black sites and other vasal places to do it.I started the timeframe in the mid 1800s. The WWII camps were the second or third time we used them. One could argue that the modern day Industrial Prison Complex is also another variation that we are using of the same theme.
Specifically, extermination camps are industrialized human suffering. Something like an assembly line that builds cars, except the output is death.
All that said, splitting hairs about the definition of this stuff is not a good place to be.