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By all criteria, this a concentration camp. Not “concentration camp” as rhetorical inflation, or emotionally manipulative shorthand, or edgy metaphor—but as in: literally.
As in: detention without trial, state control, inhumane living conditions, forced labor, dehumanization, brutal violence, isolation from accountability, psychological torture, and—by every available logical extension—murder.
That last one we can’t yet verify in the strict evidentiary sense, but the circumstances suggest it like smoke suggests fire, and they are already trying to hide their actions and deny what is occurring.
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From Wikipedia:
“A concentration camp is a prison or other facility used for the internment of political prisoners or politically targeted demographics, such as members of national or minority ethnic groups, on the grounds of state security, or for exploitation or punishment.”
I’d say it tracks.
How is this all going so fast, tho? Didn’t it take the nazis a few years to get to this point?
Nazis got to all the points they wanted so lightning-fast that nothing happening now can rival it.
That’s one of the reasons for the cultural shock about Nazis - everybody expected such processes to happen very slowly, in small flashes, as they do now. Thus them to be voted out or pressed out as a reaction, or at least for most potential victims to flee Germany, gradual pressure, compromise, all that.
Instead they came to power, almost momentarily changed the internal balance of power (of armed forces, their own paramilitary organizations, veteran organizations and such), anschlussed Austria, “solved unemployment” (organized massive programs of building autobahns and such, not very economically viable, but a symbol and a working mechanism), attracted investments (various scams on enormous scale, but the funds were attracted and it wasn’t all scams), scaled the military back to something realistic, performed successful rearmament programs … And built concentration camps. They started with something like Guantanamo almost immediately after coming to power, then didn’t lose any time to learn.
See, they had an apparatus, even a social layer of very well educated people, but with indoctrination of service and obedience, and the legacy of German science and industry and patriotism too. They broke that, but not before successfully using it for a lot of things.
That’s the problem with building good systems, they prevent idiots from learning who they are earlier. It’s the same with Sun and DEC and other legacy in tech. Everybody still uses their paradigms and products descended from theirs. Vision, architecture, aesthetic (only hidden somewhere deep). So everybody big has now IMHO wrong ideas about how to solve problems, but since everybody also uses solutions made by those who had right ideas 30-15 years ago, they don’t get the feedback. Today’s tech is a pile of crap reinforced with yesteryear grass, but it doesn’t fall apart in your hands because for the main problems you use solutions from a more civilized age.
While this was informative, I don’t quite understand the progressive change from concentration camps in nazi Germany to a fanatic escalating hate for… Uh… x86 architecture?
Sounds like a really, really wild ride to be on.
It’s a more general thought. Our actions do not have immediate visible consequences. Thus we can break everything and think we are winning.
Also on the subject of Nazis it does possess some value, they loved analogies between relevant modern techologies of their time and sociopolitical events. Where the word “anschluss” comes from, by the way. It literally translates like “connecting”, as with electricity. Well, electricity wasn’t new, but radio was, Nazis used radio a lot and referred to use of radio to show how modern and revolutionary they are.
Important because it applies to leftists often, if you say “leftists made Trump” or “leftists made MAGA” or “leftists broke American democracy” or something like that, it’ll sound clearly wrong, but it won’t be. USSR was a clear case of using what others made and thinking that it’s their own achievement by its administrators, most of its history, while first they were using the tremendous results of Stolypin reforms and then NEP (Lenin was a bit smarter than his buddies), and then selling fossil resources to support visibility of a working economy, but that’s kinda off topic.
I’m not talking about x86 architecture, I’m talking about everyone using Java and Sun idea of the web, just slowly worsened and degenerate, first of all. Or Windows NT, it was fine in year 1999, but being stuck there for 20 years is just wrong.
So, back to our day and how it’s useful, systems should have smaller latency for evolution to work well. Like those temples in Japan, which are constantly being rebuilt in all of their parts. You should be able to tear down a republic and build a new one in a couple of years.
Getting back to Nazis - if the system they captured had smaller latency, they wouldn’t have managed to even annex Austria.
No, Dachau concentration camp was started in March 1933, just a few months after Hitler took power.
The Nazis didn’t have the historical context of the Nazis’ rise to power to help guide them.
ICE detention centers in the USA count as concentration camps as do American Indian reservations, too, but yes we now have our own concentration camps out-of-country like the CIA black sites for illegal rendition or the NAZIs in Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Belarus and the “secure hamlet” programs carried out by our Vietnam vets, for examples.
My entire country counts as one
CECOT is the American gulag
They’ve done it before, why would we think they wouldn’t do it again?
By the way, only some concentrations camps in Nazi Germany were exterminations camps. So even without any mass murder this can easily be regarded as equivalent in function to a concentration camp.
Specifically, extermination camps are industrialized human suffering. Something like an assembly line that builds cars, except the output is death.
All that said, splitting hairs about the definition of this stuff is not a good place to be.
We invented concentration camps in the US to deal with Chinese and Native American “undesirables,” back in the mid 1800s. This is just the third time, at least, we have started using them. We only pretend to be better than the Nazis because we didn’t have the idea to use them as mass murder camps, just slow death camps.
You forget 120,000 people of Japanese descent during WW2. And the Biden ICE camps.
And how about Guantanamo for some added gruesome torture?
The one that Obama definitely and immediately was going to close when elected.
And it would’ve been no problem since the US used Polish black sites and other vasal places to do it.I started the timeframe in the mid 1800s. The WWII camps were the second or third time we used them. One could argue that the modern day Industrial Prison Complex is also another variation that we are using of the same theme.
They’re right that we should at minimum not allow them to define how we talk about this, and we should call it what it is.
But we should also have a plan to avoid getting put in a concentration camp when we do so. Stay safe, and be good everyone.
Home of the not so often brave and land of the less and less free.
Land of the fee,
And the home of the slave
America already had concentration camps in the form of ICE detention camps and prisons. The trials most faced before being sent to prison do not some how make those prisons not concentration camps. Those also have inhumane living conditions, forced labor, dehumanization, brutal violence, isolation from accountability, psychological torture and murder.
El Salvador is certainly worse, but we didn’t get here overnight. The american people have been conditioned to accept this over decades by sending millions of people to internal slave labor camps with the thin excuse of “but they had due process!!!1!”
excellent point
I’m sure Republicans would say the same and more about me, but I’d take one migrant who took a risk to work harder than almost any Americans do and give their children a better life (funny how they actually do what the American mythos claims to value, they walk the walk of our largely bullshit rhetoric), at our big corpo’s invitation no less, than a hundred of my fellow American supposed conservatives born in the developed world acting like they hit a triple and reveling in the suffering of those who weren’t born in what was once a cradle of safety until they demolished it with their ballot, seeking to destroy their enemies, aka most Americans, in the zero sum game Faux News drilled into their head.
These people are unashamedly drunk on the schaudenfreude of cruelty. To me, their willful rejection of basic human empathy means they are wholly devoid of value.
Even if you were a massive shithead racist, and only wanted white Americans working in America, it doesn’t matter. Even if you were to somehow convince white, natural born Americans to work the shitty farm, housekeeping, and industrial cleaning jobs, it doesn’t matter.
There simply aren’t enough white, natural born Americans to fulfill all of those jobs. Our economy will fucking collapse without migrant labor. Our food supply will collapse. We depend on a lot of people working really awful jobs for peanuts to have food on the table every day. There is no amount of rhetoric that will change that. And if it takes the collapse of the United States for these motherfuckers to learn that then so be it. I’ll see y’all at the pitchforks and torches rally.
This is something people around the world need to understand.
All the developed countries with plummeting birth rates should be actively competing for citizens.
Though for non-US nations they are already getting some help from our self-imposed brain drain.
South Korea would like to know your location
The stated purpose of CECOT is to put people in violently cramped, close confinement with each other until they die.
It is a deathcamp.
Exactly it’s a death camp.
One thing I noted is that the majority of the people that got deported had tattoos.
Are they intentionally seeking people like that?
yes, they are explicitly going after people with tattoos https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ice-list-venezuelan-immigrants-gang-members-1235306641/
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Everyone: stop feeding the troll or at least treat them like the lame troll they are. A 22 day old account whose first comment can be summarized as “I’m okay with people with tattoos going to concentration camps”.
There are many very stupid people in the world, but few people this stupid. It’s likely a troll.
Edit: see, even their response to this comment is designed to encourage engagement by making an easily verified false claim. Obvious troll is obvious and not even particularly creative.
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LOL you’re going to have to up your game kid, your trolling is much too obvious. I suggest sandwiching the baiting comments you want people to “rage correct” between plausible statements a person of normal intelligence would make. When every comment makes you appear implausibly stupid, it just becomes laughable. Once someone points out how you’re trolling, you’ve hit the rocks.
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Better luck next time. It was a good first try, I’m sure you can do better if you keep at it!
…because you’re banned
“I don’t like what they put on their own bodies so I don’t care what happens to them” must be the most brain-dead sentence I’ve read all year
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So where does the jump from “people that I should avoid” to rounding up and being sent to concentration camps happen? I don’t really care if you avoid people with tattoos, but where do you get off using that as a basis for persecution?
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I’m not using it as a basis for persecution. I’m saying that I don’t care if they are persecuted
Those things are the same thing.
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
I really hope you’re a child. If you are an adult with this opinion, I feel bad for anybody you come into contact with
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It’s not foreign, it’s just sad.
stupid. half the college grads I know, a good number of vets, and none who have ever been in trouble, ever, have tattoos. you are just sick in the head. I don’t have tattos, don’t like them, but I don’t choose my friends by it, or use it as a moral compass.
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i know no good people named shuhsha, and one bad one, therefore we should fucking find and kill them, lock you up and let you suffer the most inhumane fate known to mankind.
yeah it sounds pretty stupid?
or are you different? this isn’t a real argument, it’s in bad faith as a matter of category.
man i’ll stop feeding the troll but whoever you are i hope you know you’re stupid, vile fucking human garbage and partly responsible for the destruction of western society, not whatever weird bizzaro rhetoric you might have in turn to explain why it isn’t “like the good ol days”.
i’d type more but im frankly not even sure you can fucking read, idiot. lmfao.
bullshit
I never liked tattoos and they’re more-often-than-not an indicator of people that I should avoid.
I never liked bootlicking, individualistic, snowflake fascists and they’re more-often-than-not an indicator of people that I should avoid.
Louder brother.
And he’s a little bitch scared of tattoos on top of all that.
Hope he never has to go to a hospital. Like 90% of the staff have at least one.
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I never liked glasses… People who wears glasses think they make them look more inteligent, and it’s true.
And that’s why I’m OK with putting every g*asses wearer in the meat grinder.
Yeah, totally normal train of thoughts
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Holiday in Cambodia!
No, they got it just fine, it’s just a dumb opinion to have.
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You can dislike people with tattoos if you like. You’re doing so in the context of throwing them in concentration camps, and that is dumb as fuck.
Is this satire? I genuinely can’t tell
yeah because that’s their one and only trick.
works surprisingly well, tho.
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or, ya know, you and people like you are & always have been gigantic blights on the ass cheek of human civilization.
ooooOOOO now i’m discriminating against YOU how dare I???
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For clarity - you would be okay with someone being sent to one of these facilities if they had a little tattoo of a peace sign on there leg? Or a butterfly on their arm? Or does it need to be a sleeve of demonic symbols? This sounds like it could be a spectrum thing and some of us aren’t understanding your comments. It sounds like you’re okay with someone being sent to one of these horrific facilities merely beacuse you don’t like something they did.
Okay, definitely not satire.
You’re allowed to say whatever you like, but you’re still a bigot.
I hope you successfully avoid everyone with tattoos forever, but it’s not because they’re the “unsavory” ones here
Holy crap I can’t believe you think this is about tattoos and not about atrocity. “I am okay with people being sent to concentration camps, tortured, and murdered because I don’t really like tattoos. If you find this view objectionable, it’s just because you have the tattoo mind virus and cannot tolerate criticism of tattoos.” I cannot express how fucked up this is to say. Like you may be completely detached from reality in this moment and should probably isolate yourself until loved ones can help you. You may be in danger.
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Gross. Actually revolting mentality.
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Oh, you’re calling this shit “independent thought”. Rofl. Hilarious bigot account.
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Can i ask where in the world you’re from? I’m personally from Denmark where tattoos are pretty common – i have some myself. But as i’ve come to learn, the perception of tattoos differ widely around the world.
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Well by that logic I don’t particularly like beards therefor, all men with beards must be avoided.
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First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out, Because I was not a socialist.
You joined April 2, 2025. I believe you are just here for thread drift, purposely derailing the topic into a meaningless discussion of tattoos by sharing ragebait.
Uh-oh! Looks like the mods agreed! lol. Thanks mods!
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I’m honestly ok with sending you to a concentration camp with no regards for your safety or wellbeing after that comment.
Tattoos are a form of free speech that applies to one’s body, and should be afforded all of the protections of the first amendment.
I cannot believe we’re having this conversation in 2025.
This facility, built under President Nayib Bukele’s “war on gangs,” houses over 40,000 men, most of whom were arrested en masse without any process resembling justice—just tattoos, zip codes, or looking nervous.
Not just American deportees…
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Tattoos are not a sign of a culture getting bad.
Your behavior of intolerance is a sign, however.
People like you are why I wish the US had re-education camps like China. You need to unlearn your bullshit.
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most of whom were arrested en masse without any process resembling justice—just tattoos, zip codes, or looking nervous.
That’s the price they pay for letting their culture get that bad.
Why are you talking about tattoos here?
The person you’re responding to highlighted some text from the article, pointing to injustice of the regime by believing tattoos automatically = jail.
You said their “bad culture” is the price they pay, implicitly grouping tattoo, zip codes, and looking nervous defined by the previous comment all under “bad culture” of those who do go to jail.
You then gaslight me for pointing out your fascism and disregard for civil liberties by avoiding any correlation with tattoos because you didn’t mention them explicitly.
Every knows what you were talking about bro. The fact you asked this question makes me think you’re a troll with no convictions for attacking modern fascism. Thanks for giving that away so all of us can treat you as such.
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The salvadoran government was significantly supported by the US during their civil war. The war lead to mass migration of Salvadorans to the US. MS-13 was originally an LA street gang that the US deported to El Salvador, an act which launched it into an international cartel. They didn’t “make their culture this way”, the US sluffed it’s own problem upon them.
I mean, this is a level too generic. They aren’t going after 60 year old women with the Rolling Stones logo tattoo’d on their thigh. However, if you are heavily tattoo’d and from a certain part of the world and a certain race, you should be pretty jittery. There’s been some collateral damage in all the ICE sweeps. The current administration is far from highly competent, and their error rate is carrying over to these arrests and deportations. I don’t trust Trump and co. with the smallest of operations, so I definitely don’t trust them with life-or-death, potentially citizenship-violating mass arrests.
That’s exactly what El Salvador does. They have a database of gang-affiliated tats and that’s enough to take them in. https://youtu.be/tWjq0ECRxhA
Guess that’s good enough for America now too.
Or more interestingly evil…could they be given tattoos forcible to make them look like that?
A horrific thought indeed.
They would have to be pretty fresh in photos. They take at least 2 weeks to heal
It doesn’t have to be real tattoos or even really on them if they can Photoshop them in.
But shaved heads for sure and you can see many of them have a 5 o-clock head shadow, meaning that they don’t shave often in real life.
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Yikes, I didn’t think of that. It would be a convenient way for them to prove that they are some Mexican gang member.
It is not new though, it started with Guantanamo concentration camp for Taliban fighters.
It is not new though, it started with Guantanamo concentration camp for Taliban fighters.
It is not new though, it started with 10 concentrations camps during World War 2 for Japanese Americans.
It is not new though, it started with Guantanamo concentration camp for Taliban fighters.
It is not new though, it started with 10 concentrations camps during World War 2 for Japanese Americans.
It is not new though, it started with concentration camps for the extermination and removal of the Native Americans
Hey! You skipped the civil war concentration camps on both sides, how dare you.
I’ve always thought it was hypocritical of Americans to be calling Nazis the worst. We literally enslaved a group of people for hundreds of years, bred and slaughtered them at our whim. Had concentration camps, and more. We’re not better, and probably worse. We just had good propaganda.
Eh, I wouldn’t say Americans reached the level of industrialized genocide Nazi Germany achieved but we definitely had and still have plenty of blood on our hands.
I’m not sure I’d agree, though maybe you’re correct because it wasn’t industrial. We put bounties on bison skulls though to encourage them being slaughtered because we new native populations relied on them, for example. It was brutal and systematic. Sure, we didn’t use industrial means to actually kill them, but I don’t think that makes it better or worse, only different.
TIL
In Die Hard, when Hans is describing Takagi, he says “interned at Manzanar 1942-43”. 9 year old imsufferableninja thought he was talking about an internship at a prestigious company called Manzanar. 25 year old imsufferableninja finally figured it out. They did not teach about the US’s concentration camps at my schools, for some reason…
Master Miyagi from Karate Kid also had it rough.
And George Takei
Massive shoutout to my teacher who taught us this junior or senior year. Was absolutely shocked.
Guantanamo Bay is/was its own fresh hell, but it was not a concentration camp.
Why is it not?
It was an off the record black torture/interrogation site. They didn’t send every taliban they accounted there. It was selective.
Ah, sorry, I didn’t realize that the Nazis sent all their prisoners to one camp. I guess those weren’t concentration camps, either.
I’m sure the Nazis had torture/interrogation sites too.
Nobody said that not being a concentration camp made Guantanamo ok.
No, someone just said it’s not a concentration camp because everyone of one demographic wasn’t there.
Actually, on further thought, I’ll give you that. But, unsurprisingly, limited rights abuses tend to lead to more extensive rights abuses, and the only really surprising thing is that it took more than 20 years to go from torture camps to concentration camps. Waiting for those ghettos, Poland style.
You misinterpreted my response. The point is the intention (giving 1 example at the time of operation). That intention was interrogation not concentrating undesirables.
Because it was used for a select few (relatively speaking). It wasn’t a camp built to concentrate a sizeable portion of our population into one small area.
I’ve already said that there are good arguments for why this shouldn’t be considered a concentration camp, and this isn’t one of them. This is like saying genocide isn’t genocide because the unique tribe you wiped out was only a couple hundred people. So, if you took that same tribe of people and put them in a camp and resteicted their movement, would you not consider it a concentration camp because of it’s size?
Gitmo was never meant to store large amounts of people (and not civilians). It was a place that was conveniently located that allow them to detain and torture individuals. That’s not a concentration camp dude.
Even when they started trying to send some migrants there, there were articles saying that they didn’t have the facilities for it because it was never meant for that.
Look at the shade of their head. These people had hair. Without hair its easy to think they are typical American gang members with shaved heads. But look at the tan-less skin. They had hair and they were shaved to prevent lice but also to remove their personality. Look at some with glasses. Gang members often hate people with glasses because those people often have more money to pay for glasses.
The first AMERICAN concentration camp is being constructed as we speak. Soon we won’t need Cecot.
Trump has signed an executive order to build a 30,000 bed detention facility in Guantanamo Bay, and a $249 million contract has already been awarded. It is due to be complete in 2030, but it will open in stages.
For context, the average maximum security prison in America is about 800-1200 people. The largest, in Angola, LA, is about 8300. That means this new detention facility will be almost 4 times larger than our current largest prison, which is already several times larger than average.
Its also going to be on a foreign island, surrounded by a (supposedly) hostile foreign nation, far from the prying eyes of the media or the courts.
We’ve seen Cecot, with its giant cells packed with 80 prisoners. We’ve also seen their method of frog-marching their prisoners.
Compare that with Russia’s infamous Black Dolphin Prison where prisoners live this way for the rest of their lives:
they are forced to stand and forbidden from resting or sitting on their bunks from the time they awake until bedtime (roughly 16 hours).
They are also moved about in a similar way as Cecot:
Black Dolphin prison officers have a unique form of escorting inmates: prisoners are kept bent over at the waist while a guard holds his handcuffed hands behind his back, higher than his hips. This escort control tactic allows for maximum control while depriving him of a view of his immediate surroundings (preventing him from escaping and/or attacking prison staff)
The MAGA Nazis are very familiar both of these notorious prisons, and it is likely they will be the model for the the new Guantanamo Bay facility.
So who do they intend on putting in there? He is making it crystal clear that whoever is destined for Camp Gitmo will NOT be receiving trials, or anything resembling Due Process.
Our first AMERICAN concentration camp is being constructed as we speak, Google it.
That first paragraph is perfect: By all criteria, this a concentration camp. Not “concentration camp” as rhetorical inflation, or emotionally manipulative shorthand, or edgy metaphor—but as in: literally. It’s so fucking frustrating how the media has done so much work normalizing Trump that you can’t just call things what they obviously are. Trump is doing all of this stuff loudly and proudly in all our faces but if you call CECOT a concentration camp, or you point out that he dropped a fucking shitcoin before the day of his inauguration to take bribes out in the open, you just have TDS. It must be so easy and comforting to just be a nice little Trumple cultist and slurp up everything he says and dismiss all evidence of your eyes and ears.
