The use of “pastor” is totally normal and not worth noting.
The “interesting” part is how this fascist refuses to talk about how he completely opposes the politics of the former pope.
Yeah, just like using three fingers and not the thumb to indicate three is totally normal and not worth noting.
Can someone explain for the non-religious folk?
Calling someone a “pastor” is a Protestant thing. You wouldn’t hear a Catholic call The Pope a pastor.
Vance, like a lot of tradcaths, is LARPing because the rituals look cool. Sorta like how Andrew Tate is a “Muslim” because he thinks it’s all about controlling women, but at the same time unabashedly drinks in public.
Like not all Catholics are obsessed with the Pope, but like I have merch of the man from my Vatican visit. I have some conservative Catholic family critical of the Pope’s more progressive views, but they would never talk like this.
Thanks!
Thanks for nothing. There are endless catholic bishops using the term pastor. See my other posts.
Oh that’s funny. Thanks for the correction, then!
Pastor as a job title is specific to some denominations but the metaphor of a pastor tending his flock is common in all denominations. The roots of all Abrahamic faiths are the Jewish peoples who were largely herders in ancient times.
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JFC who’s upvoting this nonsense? Are bishops catholic enough for you?
- https://www.usccb.org/news/2025/global-pastor-word-and-deed-pope-preached-mercy-outreach
- https://eu.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/local/2025/04/21/bishop-david-ricken-remembers-pope-francis-as-strong-pastor-leader/83195098007/
- https://www.wlky.com/article/louisville-archbishop-remembers-pope-francis-as-a-great-pastor/64542751
- Etc, etc, etc
The first headline: “Global pastor: In word and deed, pope preached mercy, outreach”
Not “a pastor.” Emphasizing global.
That second article, the journalist is the one using the term “pastor.” It does not appear in quotes.
Third one is closest to your point, but again the wording is very difference from Vance.
“You know, I think for Francis, the image of the good Shepherd was very, very important … to seek out the lost sheep. So I think he’s going to be remembered as a pastor.”
It’s kinda strange how eager some of y’all are to defend Vance from the allegation of speaking in a weird and off putting way.
Edit: Let’s try phone a friend (lapsed Catholic, invited me to services a few times for the sit kneel stand routine. The open air service I attended at the Vatican itself felt more Christlike to me, tbh)
These people who have obviously never been Catholic are really down on the whole “Catholics use Father and Pastor interchangeably” thing lol. This is crazy. A Catholic wouldn’t address their priest as “Pastor” holy shit.
I thought I was taking crazy pills. I grew up Catholic and the sentence gave me such a weird creeped-out feeling.
This is cultural uncanny valley.
Yeah exactly. Like, I’m not Christian anymore so I’m not saying it’s bad to not to go church, but like, are all the people arguing about this Christmas Catholics or something??? I’ve never heard of a Catholic who goes to weekly mass calling their priest “Pastor” lol
No, it’s almost always “Father.”
Right that’s what I’m saying, I grew up Catholic and nobody ever said “Pastor X” because that’s a protestant thing
Yeah I was agreeing and did a bad job of projecting that.
Average Internet forum experience—saying something true but downvoted because it was said opposition to a popular view
I think pastor is for the Protestants.
I’m assuming priest orr something similar. Please understand I am also non-religious. So I’m basically just guessing
“Pastor” is the term for the person that leads a church / church congregation. The general ranking of the hierarchy is:
- Deacon (not yet a priest, are usually all volunteer, but can do some ceremonies)
- Pastor or priest (ordained, usually employed by the Church itself, they’re allowed to hold all ceremonies and conduct mass or church service)
- Bishop (management level, must be 35, must be a priest for 5 years)
- Archbishop (oversee multiple churches and run the archdiocese; there’s 196 in the US. Wyoming has a single archdiocese)
- Cardinal (upper management, only cardinals are allowed to vote on new popes)
- Lastly - Pope. The man at the top, there’s only one.
J.D. Vance is Catholic, and referred to the Pope as a ‘pastor’. This would be like somebody saying “(insert American President) was a good mayor”.
there’s only one.
unless
Yea yea there’s some schismatics out there that claim to be the “actual” pope but there hasn’t really been an anti-pope since 1449.
But there was pope emeritus
“Pastor” is a Latin word that means shepherd. Francis would appreciate the title of pastor, because for his entire papacy he put the pastoral concerns of guiding the congregation before theology and nearly any other concern the church might have.
JFC… Does nobody one this site use a search engine?
- https://www.usccb.org/news/2025/global-pastor-word-and-deed-pope-preached-mercy-outreach
- https://eu.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/local/2025/04/21/bishop-david-ricken-remembers-pope-francis-as-strong-pastor-leader/83195098007/
- https://www.wlky.com/article/louisville-archbishop-remembers-pope-francis-as-a-great-pastor/64542751
- Etc, etc, etc
I tend to place personal experience over random internet articles written by strangers. I attended catholic church weekly until 18 and went to catholic primary and secondary schools, and not once did I hear a member of the clergy referred to as ‘pastor’. Not once.
I’m not even, and never have been, Catholic. That being said, I attended the local Catholic primary and secondary (high school) schools, because my parents looked at the graduation rates of the local public schools, and the private Catholic school, and put us kids into the one with a 99% graduation rate, and a 70% university attendance rate.
I would NEVER call a priest or nun anything other than Father or Sister. Sister Mary Josephine is dead and I still fear that meter/ yard stick.
OP seems to not understand that the pastoral metaphor is common to all christianity because they are focused on “pastor” as a title. The job title of “pastor” is used by specific protestant denominations but the overarching metaphor of the faithful being a flock of sheep that God/Jesus/the faith tends to is common.
No - it’s more that this isn’t the way that Catholics talk, because Vance doesn’t give a shit about Catholicism and is only one because he thinks it gives him street cred.
Compelling testimony. He’s very aligned with the intellectualism of his patron Saint.
I totally believe he had an angry atheist Richard Dawkins phase.
Are you joking or have you literally never stepped foot in any Roman Catholic space? The pastoral metaphor is common to pretty much every major branch of the faith.
Vance is attached to the “Rationalists” (note the capital “R” because it is a philosophy that isn’t rational) and absolutely was an edge lord regardless the phrase he used is entirely acceptable.
Are you joking or have you literally never stepped foot in any Roman Catholic space?
Nope, never.
Then. how have you never heard or seen this metaphor before? It’s incredibly commonplace
I have heard the metaphor. It’s not a term someone would use to describe the pope. It would make sense if he was referring to his local parish’s pastor. It does not make any sense for a Catholic to describe the pope this way.
He does not talk like any Catholic I have known. I have family who are Irish Catholics who attend regularly. I have a dear friend who was really wrestling with his faith and sexuality, who chose St Francis as his patron and was a lot more eloquent than this shit. I have had discussions with actual trad caths. The person who gave me a tour of the Vatican worked for the Vatican.
The way Vance is talking is off putting and weird, and along with basically everything else about him, indicates that he doesn’t give a shit about the religion or its beliefs. He’s like a 4chan asshole who converts because they like posting Deus Vult and “Remove Kebab” memes. Aesthetic, not substance.
It’s not a term someone would use to describe the pope
Yes, it is. He is the pastor to the entire Roman Catholic faith. It’s kind of awkward but not out of line like if he had called him a bishop or Imam.
I have family who are Irish Catholics who attend regularly.
OK? What does that mean? Heck are they Catholics from Ireland or American Roman Catholics whose ancestors cane from Ireland? What significance should this be assigned if none are clergy?
It’s not a term someone would use to describe the pope.
lol. You should try google sometime. Pretty sure the US Conference of Catholic Bishops would disagree…
- https://www.usccb.org/news/2025/global-pastor-word-and-deed-pope-preached-mercy-outreach
- https://eu.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/local/2025/04/21/bishop-david-ricken-remembers-pope-francis-as-strong-pastor-leader/83195098007/
- https://www.wlky.com/article/louisville-archbishop-remembers-pope-francis-as-a-great-pastor/64542751
- Etc, etc, etc
He does not talk like any Catholic I have known.
Cool story.
I totally believe he had an angry atheist Richard Dawkins phase.
I feel that. I think it was a phase I needed, but man was some of it cringe. Chill, relaxed, “you do you, I’ll do me,” Atheism is soooo much better.
Eh, I’m not apatheist. I do actively believe there is no god. It’s just not a big deal to me.
I actively believe there are no gods either. I don’t see how, if the existence of one could be proved, it would make any difference in my day-to-day life. So I don’t care to talk about the existence of said gods. That’s core apatheism.
Pope’s are Catholic. Christian don’t have pope.
Years and years of Christianity and Catholics hating or just tolerating each other. I know first hand. My Dad Catholic, follows the Vatican and the pope word for word… tries to at least. My Mum raised Baptist and now, I have no idea. It’s all the same to me at the end of day. My family is a rainbow of all Christian/Catholic depending on the side of family.
Catholics are Christian, but they aren’t Protestant.
Considering the thing thing that Protestants protested was catholic rule….
It would be awkward if they were.
Catholicity, namely that your church is the unbroken chain back to St Peter, is claimed by several denominations not just Roman Catholics
Including the Protestant episcopal church that considers itself catholic.
That’s because it is part of the Anglican communion who actually make that claim.
Peoples front of Catholicism NOT the Catholic people’s front
I said this to my Dad before and drilled me how Catholics are not Christian and my Mum will say the same.
You’re probably right, my parents are crazy in my eyes. How they got married at all is a “miracle” lol
Wonder who the guy on the Catholics’ cross is then
Probably not Republican White Jesus, which is why some would consider them not Christian.
Absolutely guessing. I’m not an American so these weirdo Republicans don’t make sense to me.
That’s a common lie Protestant pastors tell their congregations in order to create an enmity between their people and Catholics. They do it for other Christian denominations too, like Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Seventh Day Adventists.
Can’t have their income source go to a competing church, now can they?
Dafuq are protestants like in the USA? Protestants in Europe are usually quite liberal and do not antagonise any other faith.
Protestants are generally militantly conservative in America. Look into Southern Baptists for an example.
Yeah - what SaintOwlPizza is saying is an extremely common belief in the American South.
A lot of Bircher types were set off by the election of JFK. There were people who were genuinely concerned he was controlled by the pope. The current iteration of the KKK is about the least anti-Catholic it has ever been, historically they were extremely vocal advocates in favor of public education and not having religion in schools solely due to the popularity of Catholic schools.
I definitely heard things very similar to what OwlPizza’s family said in Sunday school.
Your parents are incredibly incorrect on this. Maybe try google.
How I was brought up and yes I agree.
Information is wrong, I see other replies with accurate information. I can tell them, but they are stuck in their ways.
Now that there is some classic American anti-Catholic sentiment.
Christian is actually a fairly new all encompassing word. Like Muslim there’s actually a ton of different “Christians”
I’m not sure where you’re getting that information, Christian is not a new word. It’s literally biblical. You could make an argument that it’s a 1500s word but that’s a little spurious considering alternative forms such as Cristien and Cristen appear far earlier.
Edit: Christian, “1520s”, etymonline; Cristien, “c1300”, Middle English Compendium; Christen, “pre-1150”, OED (potentially referencing modern definition of baptising rather than religious follower, paywalled so can’t double check that one)
The link you posted literally proves my point. Christian has been used as an encompassing term for followers of Jesus Christ for the last 100 years the terms you posted sound the same but mean two very different things.
I posted three sources and you evidently did not read any of them. The latest of the three sources is the exact same variant as modern use and dated 1500s, which is slightly more than the 100 years ago you’re claiming.
When I said it was a biblical term I was being entirely literal. King James translation circa 1610, Acts 11:26:
And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Christian Science as the name of a religious sect is from 1863. Is the first historical use of the word.The ch- form, regular since c. 1500 in English, was rare before. This is from YOUR source. Lastly, You quoting a religious text as historical is literally showing the lack of critical thinking skills necessary to read said doctrine.
You are very bad at trolling. Try reading the first sentence of the source instead of skipping to a related etymology. Use of a word in a 1610 text is concrete evidence of use of that word existing in 1610, regardless of any other claims that text makes; if it read “Martians ate my baby” that would be concrete evidence of the word “Martians” being used but not of Martians existing.
There are several different denominations within Christianity but they are all Christians.
That’s the point.
When they first started they started as catholics. When then church was first established.
No, when they first started they were called Christians as Christian means follower of Christ whereas catholic means universal. The church now referred to as The Roman. Catholic Church got that name after the Great Schism.
That is an English word. You have no evidence put forth buy legitimate historians.
Fairly new meaning almost two millennia?
Early greek christians already called themselves Χρῑστῐᾱνός (christianos)
Lemme get this straight, 2 millenia they’ve been praising a guy before he was born??? Just asking…
that is under JD vanced REAPED his soul.
Who gives a fuck?
Most Americans can’t keep the various Christian church leader names straight.
There’s so much shit worse they’re doing. And more important going on…
But some Jesus freak somewhere got mad you didn’t call his sky daddy’s bf the right label?
When you’re trying to pander to a certain demographic you don’t want to call their most important guy by the wrong title
Hey, what do I know?
I thought growing up in a place that’s voted >90% Republican (with the exception of 08 Obama) populated exclusively by different flavors of Christians would give me unique insight into how much the Republican base would care the wrong title was used.
Which is not at all because everyone uses their own title because it’s confusing as fuck and no one has ever given a single fuck.
But apparently I was wrong, because it’s obviously not people down voting what they don’t want to hear, that would never happen.
Did you go to church? Cause I grew up protestant, if someone called our pastor “priest” I would immediately know they weren’t one of us.
From your initial comment I gather you don’t like Christianity, which is fine with me, I’m an atheist now. But the joke of OP is that you can give yourself away without realizing it because of a tiny detail.
In the movie screenshot the guy indicates “three” using a hand sign that’s different if you’re from different places. Same with calling the Pope “pastor”. It gives away that Vance isn’t really one of them. And the point of making public statements like Vance did are to endear you to the intended audience.
Imagine if someone bragged about how big of a Star Wars fan they were, and they referred to Jar Jar Binks as a Jedi.
When we all know he’s a Sith
or that star trek was their favorite show, and when presented with different versions of the enterprise asked, in earnest, which one was the millennium falcon
The cgi Clone Wars series pretty resoundingly refutes that claim and also redeems him as a character.
I think the real ascendant Star Wars take is Jar Jar Binks is actually very kind and just wants the best for everyone. He made mistakes as a Senator but I don’t think the Gungans had much contact with space before the Battle of Naboo? He got taken advantage of by Palpatine, but so did, like everyone else? (If the Jedi Council didn’t figure things out until too late - blindly trusting the gift of the Clones…)
He’s not a warrior-poet or scholar, but he’s adaptable and direct in his thinking.
This man’s name is a lie!
But in seriousness, your apathy is what they want. Keep calling them on thier hypocrisy. Keep pointing out when they look dumb. Keep being the thorn in their crown
That’s…not the point.
Vance sucks but there’s nothing wrong with his comment. The metaphor of the clergy having the role of pastor to their flock is incredibly common. The ancient Jews were largely herders so this isn’t an uncommon religious metaphor.
