Inception bitch!
There are many communities still on reddit for which there are no alternatives on lemmy as of yet and if you want it to surpass reddit you need to stop with the toxic attitude and the false sense of superiority especially since a lot of the content on this platform is just reposts from 4chan, x, reddit. If curious folk come here and all they see is toxic threads and reposts why would they stay here? This is mostly in response to the comments I’ve seen on here not the thread itself.
Lemmy’s biggest problem is how aggressive and uncompromising the people can be.
Really? I’ve seen Lemmings are much more competent, way higher debate ability, far less disinformation. Also I’ve seen this 10x so far in a month: “sorry, you’re right”. Almost never saw that on Reddit. And I’ve had to say it many times too.
Then we are having different experiences here because I see a lot of extremely flawed understandings of political philosophy and basic/entry level economics.
There are geniuses on all sides, I feel its just different priorities and perspectives, not to say they are all geniuses. At least here you can discuss the merits of Austrian economics for instance.
Those that find a lot of merit in Austrian economics would be a great example of the type of people Im talking about were they more common here. Im not seeing a lot of them around
I’m not saying there’s a lot, just a lot more than Reddit.
Reddit has several subs for discussing Austrianism last I checked.
Well, the smart people left Reddit.
you been arguing with tankies?
especially the anti-toxicity people
Lol yeah we haven’t heard that before
Where’s the aggression? You want to talk online respectfully, you can do that here apparently, but not there. I haven’t seen it yet… There is a paucity of communities though, NGL. I’ll practice patience.
Its true. I have friends still using it and they can’t seem to break free. I used Reddit since its inception, but left it immediately during the api-pocolypse and never looked back. I did the same with Proton when the CEO praised the GOP. I have no loyalties to tech companies.
I will die on this hill - the Proton CEO was right when he praised GOP in the context of the time, and situation.
The situation was: GOP accidentally* going against Big Tech and pro-citizens, while Democrats were defending Big Tech (just to be in opposition-by-default to GOP). Specifically, the CEO’s tweet was about how Trump nominating a fairly loudly outspoken anti-Big Tech person to a very high position in the DOJ was a good thing.
The time was: just before Trump 2 took office and showed what a shit-show his admin, and GOP have become.
The guy was ONLY talking about Big Tech and anti-trust policies nothing else. He never said “GOP is good for the US” or “GOP is good for the world”, he said “GOP are doing a bunch of anti-trust and anti-Big Tech moves right now and it’s good”.
People dropping Proton for this reason are the epitome of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
* it was because Trump was throwing a hissy fit at Meta and Twitter for allowing people to express anti-Trump opinions.
The problem with this, is if he was paying attention AT ALL, it’d be clear that the republican stance “against big tech” was always a lie. The fact he just bought their BS is enough for me to not trust the company.
The problem with this, is if he was paying attention AT ALL, it’d be clear that the republican stance “against big tech” was always a lie.
Nobody ever suggested otherwise. I specifically mentioned that myself.
The fact he just bought their BS is enough for me to not trust the company.
He didn’t “buy” anything. He didn’t become a Republican, WTF are you people talking about? He literally said, that at the time GOP was more anti-Big Tech and pro-consumer than the Democrats and that a specific appointment was a good choice.
Since when does stating facts mean you’re “buying someone’s BS”?
It’s a common way to say someone was dupes by something, “they bought it” meaning they fell for it.
The point being GOP was only anti big-tech in rhetoric, there was antitrust brought under the Biden admin. https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2024/10/02/biden-ftc-antitrust-regulation-consumers-tech-pharma
He is either lying, or not paying attention.
It’s a common way to say someone was dupes by something, “they bought it” meaning they fell for it.
Mate, are you OK? I know what the phrase means and I’m struggling to see which part of my reply gave you the impression otherwise…
there was antitrust brought under the Biden admin. [link]
What is your argument here, exactly? That Trump appointing an anti-Big Tech person to lead the anti-trust section of the DOJ was… a bad thing… because Biden did stuff for anti-trust…? Hmm?
The point being GOP was only anti big-tech in rhetoric (…) He is either lying, or not paying attention.
Sigh…
Don’t take it the wrong way, it’s not an attack, just a statement of fact: people like you are the reason democracy is failing.
In most countries democracy has a 4-year turnover. One party comes in, says “we’ll do X”, gets to do their thing for four years, and then… It turns out that “X” takes 6 years to implement so people like you go “they lied to us, they didn’t do X!”. Now, the other party sees that and says “oh, trust us, we’ll do Y” and “Y” is a bullshit non-issue or a non-solution to an actual issue, but it only takes 3 years to implement, which gives them a nice boost and a potential for re-election.
This creates a vicious cycle of parties becoming more and more populist, saying they’ll “solve poverty by increasing minimum wage” (where the actual solution is massive changes in regulation and policy that would take a decade to implement), or “kick out immigrants to give back jobs to true XYZ” (where “true XYZ” don’t want to do the jobs that immigrants take, and the solution, again, would be proper regulatory (and executive!) action, but that takes a decade or two to implement). Etc., etc.
Now, back to the point - yes, you’re right. A lot of stuff happened during Biden’s tenure. But A LOT of that stuff was started by Trump’s administration, or the actions of the Trump administration opened the doors for a lot of what Biden did.
Here’s a list of some of it:
DOJ Antitrust Lawsuit Against Google (2020)- Focused on Google’s deals with Apple and others to maintain default search engine status, thus harming competitors.
FTC Antitrust Lawsuit Against Facebook (December 2020)- To potentially break up Facebook by forcing it to divest those companies.
DOJ Antitrust Review of Big Tech (2019)- Laid groundwork for later actions, like the 2020 Google lawsuit.
FTC Tech Task Force (2019)- Re-examined acquisitions like Facebook’s of Instagram and WhatsApp.
Trump’s Executive Order on Section 230 (May 2020) to weaken legal protections that shield social media platforms from liability over user content and moderation decisions. - didn’t get much done as actual change would require Congressional action. But it intensified scrutiny of Big Tech.
Other indirect actions: Trump supported conservative-led Congressional hearings and investigations into Big Tech’s political power and influence or pushed the idea that companies like Amazon were harming small businesses and exploiting USPS
That’s why i left too though I only did it recently bc the app i used only stopped working like a month or two ago.
I’ve been trying to break free from Reddit ever since the api-pocalypse and subsequent ai-pocalypse. I mostly found my home on Tumblr for a while but it’s taken a long time to find replacements for some things.
Wait, what’s wrong with Lemmy?
If you know you know
I mean, I presume… I don’t know, so I don’t know
It insists upon itself. /s
People don’t actually want to engage with different opinions
The main devs are tankies. That’s all I’m aware of.
I mean even if they are, the software is open source and lemmy is made to work with ActivityPup, an open protocol. That is what matters at the end of the day.
Oh I know, that’s why I kind of shrug it off.
This is what’s insane to me.
Option 1: locked software owned by billionaires who can control the narrative and remove anything they don’t like
Option 2: open-source software anybody can use, coded by people with extreme opinions
It’s pretty clear which one is superior
ActivityPup
Who’s a good boy? Now go fetch that remote content and you’ll get a treat!
ahaha, I cant even correct that, it feels wrong
I don’t want to be part of a problem. I want to be the whole problem
Apparently if you want to do that you have to buy Twitter
Don’t we still have a few years before lemmy somehow enshittifies?
The fact that this is being upvoted so much I think demonstrates a big misunderstanding of how the fediverse works.
Nobody owns Lemmy and if a instance does something shitty it costs hardly anything to change instances. Nobody owns the lemmy software, and other softwares like mbin/piefed exist too with the same content.
It’s impossible by design. If an instance enshittifies people will just leave the instance.
Isn’t that the exact same argument for Twitter? If Twitter gets shitty, people will just leave? Because I feel like we’re not really seeing that.
No, not at all, twitter is not decentralized, with a lemmy instance, if you leave, you lose nothing at all. With twitter, you can’t take the content or your account
Not quite accurate. If you leave an instance, you do lose any posts or comments you had. Not a big loss, but there is that sense of investment in an account and reputation.
Not really though, you can still see them from the other account, so meh
It’s entirely possible in the future, since ActivityPub accounts can be “forwarded”. It’s a little clunky but look at Mastodon.
There is only one Twitter whereas anyone can start “a Lemmy” (instance). I am using a different instance than you, for example. So if mine enshittifies I can go somewhere else and still have access to the broader network.
No because Twitter is a walled ecosystem, you can’t move to Bluesky and interact with people on twitter for example.
With federated stuff you can move and still interact with people on other instances.
You’re telling me you can’t cross post links from Twitter to Bluesky and vis versa?
Sure you can, but I can’t follow someone on twitter or bluesky from other platforms.
Links in the bio?
That works as a specific action type thing, but I’d have to remember to go check every person I follow. Also without an account twitter doesn’t really let you do much, and sometimes completely blocks me from seeing a post.
Millions of people have left Twitter, wtf are you talking about?
if .world says being a minor is bannable suddenly there’s no minors anywhere on Lemmy. A minor example that is understandable, sure, but it’s just to show that a single large instance can cause a lot of change if they decide to.
But I don’t think that’s true at all.
I haven’t seen anyone share their age that’s less than 18 since that change 🤷♀️
I hadn’t seen that before the change? I didn’t even know there was one.
that’s a fair point lol, good talking to ya!
Lemmy.world is the second largest Lemmy instance, and less than a third of all users. If someone doesn’t like their rules it is trivial for a person to move to an instance who’s ruleset better aligns with their wishes.
it is trivial for a person to move to an instance who’s ruleset better aligns with their wishes
How?
Can I just move my existing account to a different instance? Or do I need to create a new account on another instance?
With Mastodon you can migrate your account, Lemmy can’t migrate (yet). But the difference between Fediverse and commercial platforms is that you can access the same network of content from different instances. With Twitter/Reddit etc. everyone is forced onto a single instance (and a single moderation policy).
perhaps you aren’t aware of how many instances there are that have much looser rules
The protocol itself could surely start its journey if enshittification? In which case different, possibly incompatible, branches would spawn fragmenting the Lemmy space. Still miles better than the whole thing burning to the ground. But with no shareholders looming around (yet) we can hope it won’t come to that.
I don’t see how, it’s covered by a good license, and if it did it’d be forked in an instant. Can you give a historical example?
I guess the closest I know of is Maps.me and Organic Maps? Maps.me was open source, but got purchased and enshittified, so Organic Maps was forked from it. And now there is some drama with the Organic Maps shareholders/co-founders, so unless that is (or has it already been?) sorted out we’re likely to see another fork of it.
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t the main dev(s) members of lemmy.ml? So I can certainly see how differing political views could skew the development of the main branch of Lemmy.
The organic maps founders seem to have convinced the volunteers that a private company would be best to manage an open source project. The community got duped hard.
I agree. And luckily for Lemmy and all other FOSS projects the worst that can happen is a fork of the project is created with a potentially fractured community.
That’s a bad example because it got forked and it wasn’t an actual problem?
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t the main dev(s) members of lemmy.ml[3]? So I can certainly see how differing political views could skew the development of the main branch of Lemmy.
People say this all the time but never can give even one example of a potential problem. Preemptive forking sounds insane to me. The notion that lemmy might enshittify because you don’t like their politics is also ridiculous when their politics are anti-capitalist… aka the politics that are least likely to enshittify.
But that’s exactly what I said in the beginning. The worst that can happen is the original creators take the project in an undesired direction so a fork is created.
It’d be pretty difficult, any instances that start that shit would be defederated with a quickness, but I don’t want to be too optimistic lol
Not really. It’s not a centralized platform by design - unless you’re talking about the flagship instances, which are a common problem with federated projects
If you’re still using the Internet in any capacity…
If you’re still using written word…
If you still are
If you’re still on Lemmy…
…you’re supporting the solution!
I do not see how Lemmy helps with anything other than allowing people another excuse for escapism and scrolling on the internet over actually developing life skills, seeing new sights, socializing with humans, getting better at understanding people, and actually making an effort to communicate with others, doing some small part to make the world better.
Then why are you here?
I think the ‘problem’ the meme is referencing is supporting centralized social media run by corporations. I think the ‘problem’ you are talking about is more along the lines of tech addiction. Something can fix one problem without fixing every problem.
Sure, and my point is maybe we all need to put away the internet entirely a little more often, it’s literally killing us and the world.
The internet can be an amazing thing. It’s greed that’s turned it into an incorporated husk.
I love me a really well-made grilled-cheese sandwich, like with all the fixings and fancy bread. Truly one of life’s pleasures.
But if gets moldy, even if it’s no fault of my own, I will probably throw that shit away and pick another option. (This also kills the spread of the mold.)
Why are you on here?
To bother you in particular.
the internet can be a great place if you know where to look. the problem you are referring to is cellphones and general 24/7 connectivity. you can still get called with no data service, anywhere anytime. so ppl… put away the phones, tablets, computers, gaming devices. I challenge anyone to go off grid for a week. sadly I know I can’t.
We have off grid days on the weekend. I love it. I’d do it more if work didn’t require it or I didn’t have people who call me for help with things.
It would be weird if a Lemmy instance tried to make itself addictive. Like congrats your users request way more content and it costs 10x more to operate now yay
with reddit the CEO ad shareholders control what gets promoted or silenced; with Lemmy they don’t have that power. that’s how it helps
This shits so funny bruh, stop using social media as your excuse for not developing skills, yeah its addictive but you make an active choice to not delete these apps, if I want to get shit done I delete tiktok, there you go, no longer distracted by easy scroll dopamine. Went i want a break from learning skills, seeing new sights, I redload it, wtf do you think social media is, there is less small talk and more proper socializing on lemmy/reddit type platforms than any other
Sounds like a YOU problem.
Link aggregate sites do perform an actual function outside of the use case of doom scrolling. It’s a way that I engage with my niche hobby groups, aggregate news, and troubleshoot niche tech issues. There’s a reason why you Google a question then add “reddit” at the end.
I actually enjoy talking with others on here. My worldview has expanded because of it.
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WHEN I WAS
Reddit is like CNN, which is Fox-lite, while xitter is ( oan and newsmax)
I ditched Reddit because the writing’s on the wall for them becoming a complete hellscape with their ramping up of censorship recently, and I jumped ship before that Titanic of a platform sinks.
You don’t like AI bots replying to other AI bots ad nauseum?
The only thing Twitter has over something like Bluesky is the fact that Bluesky is so milquetoast and nice that you don’t really get any of the drama you get on Twitter. Like, I never see comic fans going “Black Bolt would DESTROY Saitama in a fight!” and anime fans going “Nu uh! ONE PUNCH!” on Bluesky.
Same with Lemmy tbh. Lemmy is 80% politics, 5% memes about politics, 5% memes about Lemmy being better than Reddit, and 10% Linux.
It used to be so much more Linux, but replacing that with politically charged statements parading as memes isn’t a much better alternative. My two least favorite parts of Lemmy are how every conversation is somehow just one degree of separation from Linux or Nazis. Meme about dogs? Now the conversation is about genocide.
Honestly I’ve become so disillusioned with Lemmy over the last few months. Almost all of the discussion I see is liberals saying all conservatives should be executed, leftists saying all liberals should be executed, and tankies saying that anyone not willing to self-immolate in protest of the genocide in Palestine should be executed (but don’t you DARE mention any genocide not perpetuated by the West.)
/h
Get off lemmy.ml
I came here to discuss niche hobbies and technical stuff. What I wanted to use reddit for but I strongly disagree with their business practices since this whole API blocking crap from last year.
Bluesky is refreshing
fuck off
What’s the beef with bluesky?
Ignorant people that hate “the left” don’t like BlueSky cuz … ignorance?
look this one thinks libsky is ‘left’.
So cute.More left than twitter, inept fool.
“More left than twitter” LOL
What an accomplishment.🤡
oh shit it’s an edgelord watch out.
LOL “edgelord”
Who TF says that?
Some ukranian reposting kievpost garbage?
Time they end the benefits for you leeches and send you back to ex-ukraine
it seems to hates any conflict, where’s the doxxing, the death threats, the thousands of downvotes (or community notes)?
Just deleted my reddit and joined Lemmy. Do I have to quit already?
No, you get to be where you want.
I was joking but thank you. 😁
Yeah it’s over
Why? I literally just joined.
they’re messing with you…Lemmy does have a tankie problem:
Not my instance 🤷♂️
I saw someone praising Stalin earlier. It seems you’re right.
İf you want a tankies perspective then check out ProleWikil
I don’t think I do.
What a shame, it was a good run.
CATHERINE TWINNIE SPOTTED!!! O/
👋👋👋
They will follow us everywhere. If the medium is commercial, the capitalists will capture it. If its public, the extreme social interest groups will capture it.
“Extreme social interest” like universal healthcare / basic income, human rights, being anti genocide, pro-human rights, basic privacy rights… list goes on.
My good fellow, extremists are not here shitposting, they’re running the biggest economies of the world. World’s richest man did 2 nazi salutes a couple weeks ago. Twitter is full of nazis. Spotify is hosting Andrew Tate podcasts.
“Public/open source = bad” is exactly what those people want the public to think, because it can’t be monetized and easily controlled.
Reddit has become practically unusable. Mods censor EVERYTHING even if it doesn’t “break the rules” it’s worthless trying to have honest discussions.
Their threshold for “calls to violence” is ridiculous. Got a ban for commenting I’d slap someone just like the person who got pranked slapped the person who jump scared them.
My ban. A bloke purposely ran over a 12 year old boy that was riding his bike. Seems a group of youths had verbally hassled this bloke so this was his reaction. Thankfully it was caught on film. This happened about 50 miles from me here in Australia.
Well anyway my comment was that if he had run over one of my two boys he might have ended up in hospital, there might be broken bones and I might end up in prison. I mean it was an angry knee jerk reaction to a horrible situation.
Well I got a site wide ban for threatening violence. I didn’t actually threaten anybody. No warning, no temp ban, not just banned from that one sub. Appealed but it fell in deaf ears.
My ban was for saying there should be mass protests outside the building in which that American judge was held and that these protests should prevent anyone from entering or leaving until that judge is released. Apparently, that’s “violence”, even though it’s self-defence against the violence of a fascist state.
Luigi
Luigi is a hero and I don’t care if anyone thinks otherwise.
Luigi is a bright, shinning example of what happens when the powers that be stop listening to the complaints and needs of the peasantry.
You’d think they’d have learned that the last several dozen times lords got too high and mighty and triggered a violent revolt/uprising… but alas…
If they sentence him to death it’s gonna be the white people version of George Floyd.
Luigi is an innocent person who is being framed for being a shooter.
Luigi is also, in all probability, innocent.
Which means the Claims Adjuster is still at large.
slays
I dropped Reddit when it was announced that you could be banned for upvoting something.
I just continued using posting the same things I did before until I got banned, trying to figure out how to evade the ban for the sake of it.
Can you catch me up on the lore here
They are memory-holing Luigi over there
How? I thought moderators could only control individual /c/ ?
Oh mb, I thought we were talking about Reddit
Oh we are, I just got confused by limited context. Ok, that makes sense.
Dude im so tired of bans and creepy tracking that ensures you cant engage on the site… I do enjoy the reddit user friendly platform but im so sick of the overreach from the mods… i have had an account up for a while that just got permanently banned because I accidentally engaged with a sub i forgot had banned my og account… and because of that old account that had an IP ban it was somehow tied to my new account made a whole year later! Even though i use duckduckgo with full protection and cleared all my data… but Im done… its not worth the headache…and trying to use lemmy world now feels better. Still getting used to it here
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I fucking hate Reddit.
So spot on! And i needed a place to vent. I’m glad lemmyworld lets us do that. But I’m so done with reddit. They leave up absolutely toxic awful comments and users that are actually bots, but then punish and route out real users… I didn’t really believe the dead internet theory until i realized how much reddit targets real users…
DuckDuckGo doesn’t hide your IP. Your IP is a fundamental networking number used to route traffic to your computer. It can also change for many home internet service providers over time, so it’s a bit stupid of Reddit to use them, though they might be using more advanced fingerprinting mechanisms and merely saying IP.
Wait i thought that’s what the VPN was doing on duckduckgo?
I hear you. Right there with ya.
I once said on /r/nintendo in the context of Nintendo increasing the price of games that even if you enjoy their products, there’s no excuse to defend their anti consumer practices and that there was way too much “corporate boot licking” among Nintendo fans. It wasn’t a statement directed at anyone specifically, but I got a temporary ban for “derogatory name calling.”
Like…I fully understand it’s going to be a sub of Nintendo fans, and I also consider myself a fan of a lot of their games, but if you aren’t allowed to be critical…then banning me for that post kinda proved my point, lol.
Not even censoring, also outright stealing for karma farming. I’ve had perfectly normal photos being criticized as not within the rules for bullshit reasons. An alcoholic drink aggressively marketed in two “variations” for men in women in pointlessly gendered was taken down with the bullshit excuse, that men and women have different metabolisms so it wasn’t pointless. A week later there was a post about this drink with a lot of upvotes and my exact photo from our local supermarket. It was posted by one of the very active accounts. Mods are taking down promising content in some subs just to post it themselves.
I got an instant permanent auto ban for joking about pushing someone down the stairs. It was ‘supporting violence’. I appealed and it was auto rejected. It’s become absurd.
i got a ban for reporting a sub too often where people sold CSAM
Smh I’ve heard about a ton of stupid reddit bans but this one takes the cake. I guess if you keep reporting it they’d have to actually do something about it so they prefer to ban you and pretend it doesn’t exist.
Mods censor EVERYTHING
This is not a Reddit issue, this is a “subreddit I’m subscribed to” issue. I’m not seeing that problem.
The problem I AM seeing, though, that’s ACTUALLY making it unusable is how they fucked up the latest UI redesign. Ctrl+Enter no longer works, spellcheck is force-disabled when using the Markdown editor, posts no longer open in a panel, you have to open each one in a separate tab or reload the main feed every single time, everything is slow and clunky… It’s just badly written, badly optimised and badly designed overall.
old.reddit.com is still the best client.
Unfortunately, yes.
Joke’s on you, I’m on Mbin
How’s mbin been so far, compared to lemmy
I love it! Been using Interstellar on mobile.
How’s it compare to lemmy thou please? Same principal but better executed? Better content? More content?
I prefer the interface by a lot: More features, better UI, and more capability. Content is the same because federation.
