“What could a childcare cost, ten dollars?”
In Canada, yes.
As of February 2025, eight provinces and territories are delivering regulated early learning and child care for an average of $10-a-day or less, and all other jurisdictions have reduced parent fees by at least 50%.l
Wow way to rub THAT in XD
Just kidding, I love that for y’all. Every parent should have that (or better!)
That’s the goal. Maybe I’m in an exceptional area, but I’m not aware of any parents who are effectively paying $10/day unless their income is low enough to trigger additional benefits.
Still HUGE improvement over the last few years though. I think we had an option for 18$/day if we packed our kid a lunch. Our daycare would feed them for an additional 3$/day. I think overall average care costs have practically halved in the last few years so even if it’s not perfectly universal and perfectly $10, it’s HELLA better. Strong improvement. Honestly a MAJOR factor in trying to figure out the feasibility of having more kids for us.
My friends are paying $1400 a month, I don’t think this is working in Ontario.
Ontario has been extremely stingy on paying out their share of the fees (Program is part funded by federal, rest by provincial), leading to most daycare centres still not registering for the full reduction to $10/day. But most are still reducing their prices from what they were at previously.
So that’s $5k per month, right? Right?
What’s interesting is 5000$ today is about 129$ in 1860.
Slaves were, on average, worth about 800 bucks in those times. I’m not sure how much a baby would be worth, but even if it comes to a quarter of what a full grown slave is worth… that means that they literally think we are worth less than slaves…
Ban corporations from owning residential properties. Outlaw rent as a form of slavery. Every person currently renting residential property becomes the owner of the property they’re renting. The 14,000,000 empty residential properties in the USA which are mostly corporate owned get confiscated and distributed based on the needs and skills of the families that need them. Empty 6 bedroom farmhouse on 40 acres of land goes to a family with 5 kids that is willing to farm. One bedroom condominium in the city goes to a single person or a couple. Housing is a human right. Fuck corporations. Tax the wealthy the way they did 80 years ago and use the money to pay for universal health care and free college. Tax robotic labor and AI administrative labor to pay for universal basic income. Let the robots do the work, just give us all our fair share. Nationalize all fossil fuels as a step to phasing them out. When the money from selling oil all goes to the public good rather than corporate profits, it will be much easier to switch to renewables. With free housing, UBI, free college, and universal healthcare in place, lots of people will be interested in having children.
What’s stopping communal childcare from becoming a thing again? This is how working parents did it for thousands of years.
The grandparents who would have been available to watch the children are still working at 65 because they can’t afford to retire.
Well luckily this won’t be a problem since we won’t have the money, space of career stability to have kids until we’re 40 anyway. By then they’ll have no choice but to retire.
I imagine a mix of the already diminished size of extended family units, and the liability implications if it’s outside your own family unit.
You’re essentially just describing an unlicensed daycare if it’s not a family member, and those exist.
Gotta rebuild our community support networks. There are obstacles but it seems solvable.
Decades of distractions and propaganda to ensure you never speak to your neighbors.
Also zoning laws helping to destroy walkable “third places.”
True. Gotta break out of that habit. My friends are starting quarterly block parties in our neighborhood. We can get back to it but we probably need to stop using social media so much.
Nothing. You can find communities online (I don’t have one to recommend.)
Just remember, for most of history your neighbors were at least distant relatives.
Technically speaking they still are because everyone is a relative.
Also https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_separation
I don’t know… I like most of my second cousins as human beings, but decidedly fewer than my first cousins. I fear my third cousins are likely to fair even less well.
A lack of communities. Communal child care works great when you live in a village and you know everyone and most people around you are related to you.
We don’t have that anymore. People live in suburbs where they don’t even want to talk to their neighbours. Their relatives live far away, potentially in other provinces/states or even other countries.
Heck, a lot of people don’t even like their own relatives!
What’s a baby cost? $5,000?
I can get you one for $4k. No take backs though.
Well, most of a baby. Do you want the front half or
I’ll buy the orange baby man for 4k.
He’s definitely for sale, just ask any tech billionaire.
Orphan boom.
Orphan to foster care to homeless to prison to free labor pipeline.
y’all understand why they want conservative christians to have a ton of babies, right? the only reason that american conservatives have become as atrocious as they are is that they have the big, dumb numbers. they need another generation of idiots - forcefully uneducated - to continue their legacy of shit.
The irony is that these conservatives often can’t afford large families without welfare, the exact things Republicans are cutting. Those give a lot more than onetime 5k payments.
They have to ensure that the large families are also poor, thus flooding the armed forces with young people in need of a paycheck with no alternatives.
That’s why they’re getting rid of child labor laws. Make them kids earn their way!
and of course to be wage slaves
sure, if you need to throw some 4chan jaron into the jumbo that’s fine.
Yes, we’re aware. But they can’t even do that right. They’re still too greedy to properly implement their own plans
lol at one point I was paying more for daycare than my mortgage.
5k, these people are 🤡
That tracks. I’m paying about $15k for pre-k/daycare throughout the year, which really only covers about 7-8mo, then there’s camps, babysitters, etc. I easily spend $25k on each kid and I’m not in New York or somewhere.
Oh there will be a boom of… abandoned babies for the fostercare system.
See: Nicolae Ceaușescu’s Romania
How the fuck much are they making that it is still worth it after taking $40k off the top?
It’s probably in NYC or San Fran if that’s for one kid. Both parents could reasonably make 100-200k around there.
I mean anything more than like 60K is still technically making money. If they’re in a place where Childcare costs 40k it is likely they make at least 80k due to the high cost of living or they have more than one child. The poorer people in that area have to use family, friends, and less official care. Federally, parents only get 12wk of unpaid leave.
For me, it would have to be at least 80k, otherwise you would effectively be earning less than your daycare provider. You could find one or two kids to watch with your own and effectively be making more money while being there with your child.
Child care costs are also tax deductible. Does help a bit.
https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/individuals/child-and-dependent-care-credit-information
Only among the very stupid
So half the population
More MAGA!
People are not having kids because the middle class cannot afford it. Assuming your household has the average American household income of 80k. This would give the household something like 40k at most after the kid’s associated expenses, which means that each parent would have a whopping 20k to themselves. This is positively fucked because they would have to have a quality of life similar to someone who is eligible for food stamps, but they would not be themselves. Kids are for those who already benefit from government programs, or those who can afford a very expensive pet for a minimum of 15 years.
All this will do is increase the number of children born into poverty, which already accounts for the majority of children born in America.
You want an actual solution? Give parents food stamps up to a yearly income of 120k
I also find the implication that a human life is worth $5,000 disgusting.
It was clear to me that when the gov’t went after reproductive rights, it was because declining birthrates are detrimental to capitalism. The money cannot stop; the money cannot slow down. Capitalism REQUIRES exponential growth in every regard.
Any “moral” reason given by a politician against abortion is a thinly veiled disguise to ensure that the machine always has enough cogs to keep running and growing.
How are you going to say a fetus is priceless and then say a live infant is worth $5,000? Fucking disgusting.
I don’t see a clear association in saying a baby is worth $5,000 when existing tax law says a baby is worth $2,000 off your taxes. It’s an incentive, not a bill of sale.
Sadly, I could see this convincing people desperate enough for cash…
I saw ads before Christmas incentivizing people to refinance car loans and get cash in hand :<
Those poor fucking kids.
That’s absolutely what this is for. Uneducated people have more kids; trump lives the uneducated. Those kids grow up to lick their oppressors boot, or end up in the prison system. Either way it’s a win for conservatives.
Remember all the garbage about welfare queens? I thought this was something that was morally wrong in the 90s to support people who have kids?
Better: remember all the gnashing of teeth about “latchkey kids”? These people will do anything besides the minimum necessary.
