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Neither - the words you mentioned are usually employed by people wanting to take advantage of you.
Distancing from it is a self-preservation thing, and sometimes a moral thing. People don’t like being played, or doing bad things because someone told them it’s for family/clan/country/etc.This is the most realistic answer here.
They’re neither mutually exclusive alternatives nor universal.
I’m pretty sure “conmunity” does indeed not mean anything and never has.
I dont agree here. Community has meant something and still does. Im in several communities and would do a lot for a lot of people in said communities.
Hell, if you start looking at asia communities tends to have even more meaning…
EDIT: derp, didnt see the n in there lawl
“Conmunity” =/= “Community”.
‘Conmunity’ is what the US is now, right?
Unfortunately.
read it again, I quoted a typo by OP, there’s not actually a letter “n” in the word “community”
commu>n<ity
ok fair point :D
Oh fair, didnt see that haha
I’m going to heavily disagree. Community is the only thing we have now. it’s the giant mesh of friends and connections that is stronger than any single node. But you only get out of it what you put into it.
I’m currently a week away from leaving the US, and the loss of my community is one of the biggest things I’ve been mourning. That said, my community has also been absolutely instrumental in helping me through this.
Edit: I missed the typo in OP’s
Yeah. I’m staying with a friend after fleeing a red state. I miss my old community of trusted friends back there, but I’m relying on trusted friends here. And once I settle here I’m gonna build a trusted community here too.
A lot of the cultural zeitgeist has moved away from getting to know your neighbors and getting out and doing things and meeting people. But they are very worth doing
Duck!
That was close, @[email protected]’s post almost landed on you.
Isn’t a conmunity just prison?
Certain groups use it as a coded word, which sounds like they’re talking about a general area, but what they actually mean is their race/religious community.
I have a friend who lives in a “bad neighbourhood”. Everyone looks out for one another. Harm anyone in that street and you’re in deep shit.
My aunt also lived in a close community. When she died, they had to hire security to guard houses because the entire neighbourhood was at her funeral. She and her husband had looked after them, they’d looked after her after my uncle died.
The human race will not survive without empathy and community.
Yes, they do. That’s why so many people are struggling mentally in the “most developed countries”. The capitalistic society, centering around “me”, we build up in the west is contradictory to the human herd mentality.
Idk, I think people are showing their needs of belonging more than in a long time, be it nationalistic or political or ideological or religious or social media cliques or influencer following or family or heritage or skin colour or sports teams. Because these are dynamic times, so the tribal Us vs Them is way ahead in the front before other primal urges and basic needs.
Here in secular Sweden with the probably most inclusive state church in the world, they have found that young people are showing interest in religion more than in generations, except they don’t want the all-inclusive “woke” church but prefer more traditional and fundamentalist flavours.
A lot of the importance of family and clan in previous generations was due, in part, to the economic need of banding together. It turns out the need for family diminishes when there are other economic alternatives.
Family still means something because the definition is limited.
Community is dead and the reason for that is community is exclusive, by necessity it has to have people in the community and people outside the community.
People can’t stand not being involved so they force they way in shit all over the floor ruin it and then suddenly the community is dead.
“I’d like to offer you a job, we’re like a family here”
Family might have a fairly clear definition, but the word does get abused, and it is eating away at its meaning.
Various factions would like us to feel isolated and helpless so we can be manipulated more easily. All of the things you mentioned still exist and have meaning, but there are alternative meanings being pushed at us. And we not everyone has a community or family in the traditional senses anymore.
If you want to be a member of a community, you can. There are many available in most places, and there are more on the internet that are not limited by location. Find a group of people with common values, common interests, or anything else that ties you together and participate in it. Humans evolved to be social animals.
Human interconnections are a threat to the power that be. Individuals are easy to deal with via manipulation, intimidation, or incarceration. All of that becomes harder with groups, and the larger the group, the harder it is. That is also why we see so many efforts to subdivide us by race, culture, nationality, generation, education, income, religion, gender, gender preference, sexual preference. The less unified we feel, and the more we view the people around us as “other” instead of part of our community, the less able to we are to band together to form an effective threat to the ruling class.
Family has some meaning, but generally everyone has always looked out for number one. Society exists in spite of human nature, not because of it.
You have a moral, ethical, and economic incentive to build a strong, close, tolerant, and inclusive community but not everyone is rational enough to realise they have more to gain long run by sharing and caring than grabbing everything that isn’t secured and running.
Considering just how far we’ve fallen, calling someone a boy scout is a pejorative followed closely by “were you raped?” with the assumption that every boy scout gets raped
Scouts are old school, we can see how little society wants people like scouts by the ideals scouts are taught
Scout Law:
- Trustworthy
- Loyal
- Helpful
- Friendly
- Courteous
- Kind
- Obedient
- Cheerful
- Thrifty
- Brave
- Clean
- Reverent
Scout Oath:
On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law; to help other people at all times; to keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight.
Scout motto:
Be Prepared
Scout slogan:
Do a good turn daily
Society does not reward people who adhere to these ideals anymore. In fact, they are actively ostracized
I do these things, just without the god part. Ironically, I was an utter failure of a cub scout. I do probably need to throw in sarcastic and misanthropic (depending on the day and the people) though. Oh wait, I’m not obedient. Not sure who I would even be obedient to besides my boss, and even then it’s usually more of a dialogue situation. Oh and…goddamnit, ima redo this list
- Trustworthy
- Loyal
- Helpful
- Friendly
- Courteous
- Kind
- Empathetic
- Thrifty
- Brave
- Clean
- Sarcastic
- Variably Misanthropic
- Easily overloaded on social interaction after a maximum of 3 hours
- Not Rapey
- Knows right from wrong without having to read an ancient book
A scout is obedient, a scout follows the rules of their family, school, and troop. They obey the laws of their community and country.
Ew
Criminality and incivility, so hot right now
No trusting what my country is saying to think and do right now, sorry. It’s not the 80s anymore.
That’s not what it means, at all
Honestly, as an outsider it seems like an institution (breaking their own oath by) covering things up for decades makes it obvious why people don’t trust (or even respect) them.
The executive leadership certainly did
Community is absolutely still a real thing. In my experience, however, you have to be willing to step outside of the mainstream and you have to be willing to touch grass every now and then. Socializing IRL is completely different than socializing online, which is different than socializing in VR, or in voice chat, or so on.
That said, there absolutely is a case to be made for idea that “community” being slowly ground into dust, possibly intentionally so. The death of open gathering places, the rise of online-only interaction and so forth, erodes at the kind of socialization you need in order to build a community. My tinfoil hat theory is that it’s easier to sow division in the unruly masses and keep them at each other’s throats when everyone is alone, so the rich and powerful have an incentive to kill the concept of community so that it’s harder to rise up against them.
At this point, I believe the places where you’re most likely to find a strong sense of community will be within marginalized groups; people who’ve traditionally been downtrodden tend to band together for protection, relationships and support.
Capitalism, positivism, and post-modernism have all eroded those things.
When we have less free time, and everything is commoditised and given a monetary value, interhuman connection - which resists the economic lens - falls by the wayside, as the modern “homo-economous” values only what has a price tag.
When gathering spaces, and natural groupings are either made to focus on money or wither, there is no space for community in a casual sense.
The death of meaning with the rise of post-modernism also means that grand narratives, and the myths of belonging have also lost a lot of their power to a rightful dose of skepticism. (Descriptive rather than prescriptive, but probably did speed things up a bit.)
Capitalism will eat us all.
For examples, classical and neoclassical economics really run away with “selfish people maximising self interest”, to the point try to reframe family decisions as “intra-family bargaining”, and Maggie said “there is no such thing as society, only the individual and family” (because as a Tory she couldn’t admit to tearing those apart).
I don’t see a thing wrong when someone is looking out for themselves. We all have to, at somepoint or another or we won’t know how to survive on ourselves when situations boil down to just us alone.
Now as far as bonding together and getting mutually along with eachother to co-exist without bumping eachother or touching people’s buttons? yeah that’s a tricky one and usually makes everyone fall apart. The societal and political climates of today seems destined to break those bonds.
Clan never really meant anything even in Scotland. All that tartan shit was invented by Sir Walter Scott as tourist fodder.