Carney should send a thank you note to Trump for helping him win the election
Trump. MCGA, making Canada great again!
Make Canada 320x200 with 256 colours again!
I cannot wait to see how the Trump admin will spin this. Either that or they have a meltdown and immediately call it a rigged election. Bonus points if he tells Canadians to storm their capital.
They are 100% going to say our election was rigged, and our idiots are going to believe them.
excerpt of facebook comments Ive seen since last night
- “this country is a disgrace”
- " sad day for canada"
- “fucking rigged!”
- “west time to become 51st state”
- “alberta saskatchewan manitoba 51st state of USA!”
- “time to secede”
- “trump will save alberta”
- " insert conspiracy here already picked their candidate, our votes dont count"
- “time to leave”
- accusations of Chinese meddling
- accusaions of European meddling
- accusations of Globalist meddling
Club your idiots with baseball bats. Or cricket bats. Or whatever bats you use up there.
Lacrosse and hockey sticks.
Not the flying kind!
There should be a bingo sheet.
Please, I am begging you, do not make this sheet. Right wing media will pick up on it, the golden one will catch wind of it, and it will become an achievement checklist. Please do not.
I’ll be a little surprised if he addresses it more than a passing comment - the US conservative population doesn’t actually give a shit about canada (unless they’re told to be mad about it for some specific scapegoaty reason, but they’ll just forget. Like they’ve all forgotten about the lumber issues, or eggs, or how ‘canada is killing the US garment industry’ that one was cute…). At this point he’s got enough other things to distract them with, so why waste his very limited attention span on something he’s declared a solved issue?
I think it would depend on whether Canada’s new government is willing to play ball. If they’re not willing to kiss Trump’s ass and give America the preferential treatment that he’s trying to extort from the country, there’s going to be more than just a one-off passing comment about it. Probably a woe-is-me “Canada is taking advantage of us” campaign, I reckon.
lol suck it conservaturds.
thank you, canada, for not following america’s path to ruin.
Yet. Stay vigilant
Really proud of Canada not going down the same path my dumb ass country did
Hopefully Australia follows suit, as we have our own Temu Trump in opposition coming into our election.
It wasn’t by a large margin… Canadians are turning fascist just like a lot of other countries.
That is the sad thing.
Until social networks are mare criminally liable for the crap they spew this won’t be turned around.
They all have to be sued nonstop for slander, defamation, and high treason or else all their leaders and pundits dragged into the streets and beaten to death in front of their kids. Waiting for society to right itself is never gonna happen.
I’m hoping the margin was tight because most people, even the ones who voted liberal, held their nose as they did it. We don’t like a party being in charge for this long, but the alternative is worse and worse every election. Pierre poilievre was however the worst and most dickish conservative I’ve seen in a while, so I hate how close this was.
Both Jason Kenney and Andrew Scheer, the two prior Conserrvative leaders, also completely blew their chances of winning by relying on the rightwing outrage pipeline and by being completely unlikable as a human beings.
Side story, I worked in government and received an MP complaint against me by a client, and the MP was Jason Kenney. I had to talk to him a bit everyday for a week or so, and he came off as incredibly stupid. Blew my mind a year later when he was on a ballot lol.
I was asked by a conservative volunteer why I wasn’t voting Con, I told him to write it down for the higher ups “I will never vote for a candidate who makes up cute little trump style nicknames for his opponents like carbon tax carney, and that any politician who rallies against woke culture has brain worms”
Yes, we narrowly avoided going down the Trump route this time, but I don’t find this picture particularly encouraging (NDP, Green and BQ are the three most progressive parties):
Source: National Post
It’s not straightforward to understand that, since this is a chart of seats not votes, and you can get weird effects with first-past-the-post and strategic voting, but it certainly looks like the electorate is moving rightwards at the expense of progressives.
On what planet is the BQ (bloq quebecois) a progressive party? NDP and green for sure.
Bloc are literally a Quebec only nationalist/separatist. The cons are angry at them because they “stole” a bunch of their Quebec voters/seats. If that’s your target audience you aren’t on the progressive end of the spectrum.
In the policies section of the page you link, there are a number of positions that are typically associated with “progressive” politics.
And a broken clock is right twice a day. Just because a couple policies from a party are progressive doesn’t overwrite the fact that their founding tenants are hyper nationalistic (if you count Quebec as an independent nation).
Maybe the left is realizing that they are fighting for really critical human rights, their autonomy and their country, so it’s time to stop splitting the vote among marginal left wing parties?
I don’t think the answer to the corrupting influence of America’s rotting republic is to become a two party system.
What’s the answer?
Electoral reform would be a good start. Ranked Choice isn’t perfect, but it’s easy to implement and much better than our current system, asvwe build appetite for a truly progressive voting method.
Certainly there’s a lot of strategic voting going on. But you don’t see the Liberal (centrist) seat count increasing as the NDP goes down: the gains are all with the Conservatives. If it were a matter of progressives deciding to just consolidate with Liberals, you’d expect to see the Liberal seat count go up as the smaller parties went down. To me this suggests either that some people are flipping directly from left to right or that there is a general rightwards drift, with right-wing Liberals going over to Conservatives and left-wing strategic voters filling in some of the gap they leave for the Liberals. In either case it’s concerning that when the Conservatives fielded their most far-right leader so far, their share of the seats went up.
There’s strategic voting going both ways as some people are simply tired of seeing the Liberals in power, they would have been back the following election if the cons had won.
In either case it’s concerning that when the Conservatives fielded their most far-right leader so far, their share of the seats went up.
It’s not surprising at all, the 2 conservative parties in Germany are the most far-right and second most far-right parties. They host politicians who are grandsons and granddaughters of real Nazi SS officers (like the leader of the AfD: Alice Weidel, her grandpa was directly responsible for thousands of civilian deaths as military judge and prosecuter and later chief military judge for Adolf fucking Hitler. They copy their talking points one to one and would love to see people dissappear, who are not looking like them. Conservatives, for the most part, are atrociously far-right.
But splitting the vote isn’t an issue with proportional representation is it? If the libs lose one seat to the greens that’s still one seat not occupied by the cons.
The liberals are not a left wing party, but ya people are just scared of trump and our own conservatives, understandably so.
Conservatives still winning over 40% of all votes total. Definitely a very bad sign.
Go Canada!!
The big key is gonna be if we get that sweet 172 seats with Lib+Green+NDP, we are only 1 seat short
If we hit that mark it means, hilariously, the one single green seat is needed to form a majority government without bloc’s help needed
Which will force liberal party to play ball with NDP and Green Party’s more progressive policies.
That’s our ideal scenario, conservatives are told to go kick rocks, and green/ndp get an actual voice on decision making to push the country in a progressive direction.
One. More. Seat!
Currently it seems like there is a highly improbable but mathematically possible outcome where the Conservatives and Bloc Québécois form a government. Canada gets to be the 51st state and Quebec gets to be the 52nd state. 💀
Let’s get that last seat! edit: typos
Bloc have endorsed the liberals already, Quebec is extremely anti trump.
Bloc aligning with conservatives would be political suicide lol.
That’s why I said highly improbable. But if they became states it would be the end of Canadian politics. It would be all American politics at that point. edit: typo
I don’t think Quebec will recognize Trump’s rule if he takes control of Canada. It may result in some occupier deaths.
Somehow I don’t see Quebec deciding anything that favors a party that wants everyone to speak English.
If only they would embrace nuclear!
Atm we got it, this is the magic sweet spot where we want to be
172 seats exactly with lib+ndp+green
and conservatives can’t even threaten a vote of non confidence with bloc’s help. (1 vote short)
But they could trigger it with that 1 green seat’s help, which means liberals have to stay on the good side of that 1 green seat XD
How is the green party in canada? Actually good or like in the US?
Not as wacko as in the US, but they had some weird new age candidates at some point.
You’re conveniently leaving out the fact that the federal Greens spent the last several years destroying itself through infighting. Remember the leader that was elected to replace the long suffering Elizabeth May who then stole a bunch of money, started a bunch of law suits against the party and then May had to take back over under a joint leadership?
They’re a novelty party, not a party of governance.
(I have voted Green several times, but never again in their current arrangement)
Sure, but go check what the US Green party is to compare and you’ll realize that the Canadian party isn’t so bad
Using “well at least it’s not as bad in America” in these contexts is both dismissive of valid criticism and also a staggeringly low bar
But if you go check I was replying to someone asking for a comparison.
“at least it’s not a Russian funded spoiler party, right?”
The 1 seat they got was in the green party stronghold (co leaders home town)
I have zero clue what her platform is, prolly environmentalist tho.
Generally to the left of the NDP. Kinda unrealistic, TBH, because they don’t have to worry about costing it or carrying it through.
Hopefully there won’t be a Joe Manchin situation where just one of the liberals starts siding with the conservatives on just about everything to negate the majority (though I may be misinterpreting how the system works, I’m not super aware of how Canada’s legislature functions)
I blame Manchin alone for a lot of what we weren’t able to get done under Biden
If any vote ever fails in our government, it triggers an instant re-election. It’s called the Vote of Non Confidence
It’s probably one of the most key parts of why our government is a little bit more resistant to clown-showing, because even a small crack in the parliament triggers a new election.
So bills can only be tabled if the gov is 100% confident it will have the votes.
Which means the conservatives could table a bill if they knew the NDP + Bloc would side with them on it, as then they have the votes to pass it.
But since it’s the NDP, a very progressive party, it means they actually hold that fine balance of mediating power between liberals and conservatives.
It’s pretty solid actually, and makes it so everyone the entire term could pass a reasonable bill.
Pretty sure this last term the conservatives and liberals did agree on some stuff and some bills passed with both approving it, iirc.
I think forcing them to occasionally work together like that helps temper the fascism lol.
Sky news spin: haha, Carney was actually Trump’s win! I can’t make this shit up (but apparently Sky news can…)
Daddy hasn’t told them what to say yet and these kinds of outlets don’t know how to think for themselves anymore. And at this point it’s pretty much all news outlets based out of the US don’t know what to say without him.
Is just treat any US and UK news outlet as the Onion these days.
You’d have to be trying hard to forget your media literacy to think that was spin.
It’s a device that’s saying the Trump issue is the major one in the election. Trump, and how voters feel about him, is what is driving one party or the other to victory.
I did read the article and indeed the content is about what you say. On the other hand, I don’t know if titling this as “Canada might be the second election Trump wins in six months” is an attempt at sarcasm, click-bait or spin (pretending not to know the number of people who will only ever read the title). It’s sad that I now I jump directly to believing the latter so I do hope that I’m wrong
It’s an analysis piece, an interesting or provocative headline is the thing to have.
People really have forgotten how to read news media in the past few years.
Finally something to celebrate in this general vicinity. Congratulations, Canada.
Bro I need gaslighting lessons from PP; how is he losing his riding, losing an election he has polled 20+ points in the lead in for almost two years, and yet gives a speech where he not only says he will stay on as leader, but makes it seem like losing the election was his desired outcome??
Really sad about Jagmeet and the NDP wipeout tbh. I know why it happened, but if I’m not mistaken the universal pharma and dentalcare we have now were initiatives pushed by the NDP that the Liberals get credit for because they were the ones holding the PM seat.
but if I’m not mistaken the universal pharma and dentalcare we have now were initiatives pushed by the NDP that the Liberals get credit for because they were the ones holding the PM seat.
No one who has any political awareness would give the liberals credit for that. That was the NDP’s contribution.
Same as universal health care… it was an NDP initiative that the Liberals took nationally.
Without the NDP, our Liberals suck… which is why I am sad after this election (still happy PP won’t be around)
I’m hopeful that it really is just a temporary thing given the Trump situation and with a new leader and that behind us (might take more than 1 term of course) that they’ll be able to come back stronger and make the Liberals advance things they wouldn’t otherwise again. Also you never know, maybe they’ll get some leverage with the current set up, but seems less likely for this term.
Agreed… I only vote Liberal when I believe the Conservatives are getting dangerous and the Liberals have a chance to beat them.
I will continue to support the NDP with my vote and wallet in the future
No one who has any political awareness would give the liberals credit for that. That was the NDP’s contribution.
A lot of voters aren’t aware. If it’s not being blasted on repeat by a news channel, then at least 50% of the electorate has no idea what’s happening. We’re also so inundated with American politics that Canadian news gets drowned out as well.
Bro I need gaslighting lessons from PP; how is he losing his riding, losing an election he has polled 20+ points in the lead in for almost two years, and yet gives a speech where he not only says he will stay on as leader, but makes it seem like losing the election was his desired outcome??
Because he is a weasel… he was in opposition for almost 3 years against Trudeau when Trudeau was toxic and PP was unable to make ONE meager alliance with nobody. We have Jagmeet to thanks because, like me, he could not stomach a PP majority
Jagmeet was getting wiped out regardless. The fatigue that existed for Trudeau was also present for Singh and Pollievre.
“if I’m not mistaken”
That’s how the NDP loses, even someone who seems to have a minimum of interest in politics isn’t sure that it was the NDP that got us that. Yes, they forced Trudeau’s hand on that question.
Yeah, I was 95% sure it was an NDP mandate, but I also have an awful memory so I was open to being corrected.
“Mark Carney” is the perfect name to demonstrate the Canadian “car” vowel. I am going to enjoy saying his name as Canadianly as possible.
The delicious irony of watching the CBC announce the Liberals have won a fourth term …
Defund that you stupid little twerp, guess Canada wasn’t broken enough not to see through your stupid bullshit
How does them boots taste like?
Maybe i am reading it wrong, but it seems to be a dig a pp
I read it too quickly. My bad :)
It’s all good
…yeah totally, was that not obvious?
It was to me lol
It is, PP has been threatening the CBC left and right. The commenter probably should have put his name somewhere in there.
Better than orange spray tan in the back of my throat…
Sorry bud, I might’ve read your reply a bit too quickly. We’re on the same side, I’m just an idiot
Australian chiming in here and we have an election in a few days time.
The current Opposition Leader is running on a platform of Trump Wannabee.
I really really hope our country tells him to stick it up his fucking ass.
Luckily we have preferential and compulsory voting.
Let’s go mates. Kick them bootlicker asses.
rooting for you aussies. Love and strength from Germany <3
Cheers dude. We have to come together across all borders to end this shit.
thankfully our 2 party preferred polls look almost the identical to canadas!
I’m still terrified.
Australians have a bad habit of falling for those kind of dog whistle tactics.
yeah it’s way closer than it has any right to be that’s for sure
Narrowly.
Are you guys not horrified of what’s happening south? If you interpret this as a win and go on, your country is going to be mega conservative in like a decade.
No, this is an existential crisis, and you need to shut off the propaganda machines before it’s too late.
Quite true. The reason for celebration is that had the conservatives won they were planning to defund our public broadcaster right off the bat. We need all kinds of reforms but having the CBC around to report on them will be quite important.
What do you mean “narrowly”? It’s a clean victory and the trumpist conservative leader lost his own riding.
Liberals projected to hold a slim minority, the NPD was all but annihilated, Liberals will be forced to reach across the isle and work with the BQ.
Are the Bloc easier to work with than the NDP? history suggests no.
The numbers allow a continuation of a Liberal-NDP confidence-and-supply arrangement. This is a good result for those of us who don’t trust a banker to not sell out the working class.
The numbers allow a continuation of a Liberal-NDP confidence-and-supply arrangement.
Or a less formal agreement, if there is no appetite for a similar arrangement as last time.
Or, my preference, working to consensus with both BQ and NDP.
Or a more formal agreement. I’ve heard some complaining about not having any NDP ministers, but I don’t know if that’s mainstream.
Or, my preference, working to consensus with both BQ and NDP.
Eh, it sounds like the Bloc really wants a rematch. Now’s not the time to risk that.
it sounds like the Bloc really wants a rematch.
I doubt they’ll try to topple the government until the threat of Trump is neutralized. Or at least significantly muted. They have a common goal with the rest of the country on that issue.
Plus, what’s their warchest look like at the moment?
Yeah, I don’t know for sure. I was going off of what Chantal said on CBC, but the again she though the last government would be short lived, too.
The thing is, the Liberals are in a good enough position that they can maintain power with the support of the BQ or the NDP. This gives them some leverage if they tried to play the two parties against each other, and the NDP may be more willing to help given their low head count. Maintaining relevance could be a strong motivating factor. All that said, I hope that Carney instead chooses to build consensus. If he is able to, it will lead to more stability for our country in troubled times and would be a promising indicator of a change to PR electoral reform, which would also cement greater power for Liberals while opening the path for more social progress for Canadians. I’m not optimistic, but a non-career politician may be more inclined in that direction than most others.
All that said, I hope that Carney instead chooses to build consensus.
As I understand it, that has been how he has operated in his previous roles.
Not quite. There’s still enough polls left to report that could lead to a Liberal majority, even if that doesn’t happen (it’s quite unlikely), then current projections are that the NDP will have enough seats to support the minority government, even though the Bloc will hold more seats overall than the NDP.
It’s after a full decade of Liberal rule. Do you know how hard it is to win after that long being blamed for everyone’s problems? This is huge.
And damning for Poilievre. He not only had the opportunity to win by banging on the usual triad of “time for a change”, “we need to unleash the economy”, and “tax relief” but he lost his seat in the process. It’s easy to point at the gains the conservatives made, but losing at all after a decade of having another party in place, especially in very difficult times, is impressive. Even if he isn’t ousted or doesn’t step down, he may be seen by the electorate as incapable of bringing home a win.
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Agreed. Incumbents always do worse in the next election. Makes me shudder to think what the result of the next election is going to be. Trudeau’s latest term was really bad and they got no punishment for it whatsoever thanks to the gift from the south. And Canada seems to be moving further and further away from proportional representation. So who will voters swing to next election?
Great result for today’s Canadians. Terrifying result for future Canadians.
I would point out though that a CPC win would have been a terrifying result for future AND current Canadians. So I guess that’s a small win?
Look, we’ve had the liberals for ten years now. Theyve won 4 elections at this point. It’s amazing they won anything at all this time.
Justin fatigue was real. Carney coming in, demolishing the only thing the conservative dingdongs were campaigning about and just being overall a very respectable candidate turned things around. Along with the orange monkey down there.
It was still waaaaaaay too close
Considering the massive lead the conservatives once had it isn’t really ‘that’ close. Liberal gains were astonishing once Carney entered the ring.
40%+ of voters still went for pp. That’s too high, and with our shitty fptp, it made it worse
I don’t know thats its too high especially of it was going to be much more than that if not for Trump’s threats, Trudeau’s resignation and Carney’s ascension.
I believe it to be. It should be a race between the Libs and the ndp
Too close from whose perspective?
The liberals had no business winning this election. All metrics pointed to a conservwtive land slide until Trump got involved and Carney seemingly handled him better than Trudeau.
Carney is going to have to perform above average in his first term otherwise the liberals will be absolutely decimated in 4 years.
This is borrowed time. Even an average performance now will guarantee Poilievre a win in 4 years. The Liberals are going to have to get more done in 4 years than they have in the past 10 to prevent that.
Mine,
Conservatives policies aren’t beneficial for the average Canadian. 40% of people voting against, their, and my best interests is not something I like. The cons and pp don’t care about climate change. That affects all of us,they want more American style Healthcare, that affects all of us. They want to lower taxes, great! Where do they get the money to do that? By cutting our services.
It was mostly Trump. American polls did something similar after 9/11, the candidates involved just put it over the top.
You can predict what likely happens next: more neoliberal policies and degradation of quality of life. In one of the next election the fascists take over Canada. They never learn.
This is my fear as well. Neoliberal policies are exactly what have made the extreme right so strong and powerful over the past decades. When people have no means to get forward in life, they resort to despotism, which is exactly why the poorest parts of the USA are so strongly in favor of Trump, while the wealthier parts are still clinging onto the liberal train.
Like I said in other posts, this is a good day for the current term, but if the Liberals aren’t serious about making life better for real Canadians (not the super-wealthy ones), there’s a good chance that this is only exacerbating an inevitable collapse.
This is the part a lot of US liberals are missing. Those red states are shit holes now. Look bombed out and war torn because industry left and took the money with them, and they were thriving 40 years ago.
A wiser human than me could probably find a way to incentivise companies moving headquarters out of high cost of living areas to more rural areas where rent isn’t half your paycheck.
The ‘rust belt’ is over 40 years old now. Places like Detroit have started to stabilize.
The high cost of living is everywhere. Capital moves in the blink of an eye, setup a company in a small town and it’ll be bought up and rented out before lunch.
I think ultimately we need to design an economic system that allows less work and less consumption. You want those outsourced jobs to come back but done by robotics. Coming back to stop needing to ship them halfway across the world, wasting energy. But we need to have a clear(er) vision to what we want to transition to. Like a partially planned and circular economy that covers the basic needs (food, living space, education, news, healthcare) for everyone for free. Otherwise there is nothing to believe in.
In one of the next election the fascists take over Canada. They never learn.
At least we stopped Maple MAGA from taking over now… we learned this one trick from the Americans
Mark “100 million by 2100” Carney
You know, we could do better. 150 seems reasonable.
Yeah neoliberals… the reason they want that is to get cheap laborers. Can’t believe they are so brazen about it.
Kay? If the infrastructure is there what does it matter?
Narrator: the infrastructure was not there
Voted liberal, ndp, and green my whole life btw, and spent a decade as a public servant; im not a hate filled person who shits on immigrants, I just want responsible immigration policy, and McKinsey Consulting is evil.
Not there in 75 years? You must be clairvoyant.
The Canadian population rose by almost 20% in the last 5 years. The infrastructure we currently have was not ready for irresponsible immigration policy, and these things need to be done in coordination. I can’t predict the future, but I’m sayin’ my political concerns lie in this decade, not the next century.
Bad immigration policy also fuels distain towards immigrants, and it bolsters people like Pierre Pollivre, and I think we probably both agree that’s a bad thing
and it bolsters people like Pierre Pollivre, and I think we probably both agree that’s a bad thing
Yes
And you’re right to say we have housing issues. Getting rid of rent control was a poor choice in ontario. Corporate landlords are another. We have many vacant homes in Canada that should be filled. There are many things that need to change, and I am hopeful that these changes can be made before canada had 100 million in population
Immigrants = scary 🥺
Cons seriously need to come up with new talking points, trying to paint Carney as some kind of WEF great replacement agent clearly wasn’t a winning strategy.
It isn’t? Drive by Hamilton or any other GTA city, shits unreal how expensive housing is and homeless is more pronounced post-covid since they opened the flood gates and reduced CRS requirements so that anyone with a pulse could get in. They only back pedalled now on resuming policies they had pre-covid, but the damage is already done…
They want 100m by the end of the century no? You don’t think we can build infrastructure to support that in 75 years? I wasn’t saying now
No I dont think so, because I have lost faith in provincial governments actually realizing that goal. They cater to nimbys and the status quo
Well, with climate change warming stuff up, we will build on the old permafrost i guess
