Spoiler: They do need a warrant.
Also “you are tresspassed” is a magical phrase that turns ICE agents into criminals and armed ICE agents into armed criminals that you can pull a weapon on.
Funnily enough the “second amendment” crowd has been completely silent about all this shit. But people really have to use those stand your ground laws.
I’m not a big 2A guy, but I’m more than well armed and practiced, and I haven’t shut up about shooting anyone attempting these kidnappings.
I’ve given up on humanity after the racist Karen in Minneapolis raised a shitload of money off of a Christian based fundraising website while pretending to be the victim of calling a 5 year old racial slurs.
Like we have a problem. Society preinternet didn’t have this problem, society after internet didn’t have this problem you could be called a dick with no recourse.
Once society figured out you can just make money on being a racist asshole and be crowd funded for it, that’s when society went to shit
I saw that headline a few days ago. Was that all it took to make you give up on humanity? Trying to understand.
It’s a bunch of things combined but that just pushed me over the edge.
Understood. It’s a shame to lose you at the start of the fight, but get what you need to hang on and recover.
One strategy I’ve found helpful is taking little breaks from political news and spending time with those around you. It’s been a good antidote for the despair of the news cycle.
And if you need someone to talk to I’m here.
Our species is trash - it has nothing to do with the news cycle. There are just too many fucking stupid people that are being allowed to shit out legions of children.
I sincerely wish there was a virus that killed people who were “too dumb.” It’d be much more peaceful…
#ThanosWasOntoSomething
#HeWasntAndYouKnowIt
The solution to ignorance is knowledge, not eugenics. Also get your ass into therapy before hate consumes you.
I’ve taken a big step back from most apps and social media in general, unless I’m playing Xbox online for 2 hours after 10p’m hardly using the Internet for anything else. .
Plus just got done with daughters club volleyball, now it’s onto softball season… working with her on pitching have to use a lot of YouTube for that because I don’t know how to pitch fast softball. So we’re both sort of learning as we go.
She’s got a Canon for a arm. Like has made my hand hurt on multiple occasions from 40 feet for only being 11. Ive been trying to teach accuracy over speed and a actual coach said not to do that. If they have natural speed. Let them pitch fast and ccuracy will come later.
She’s improved. I’d say 3/10 are strikes, 5/10 will probably get someone to swing at. The other two watch your shins or head 😅. Or in my case sitting on a 5 gallon bucket, the family jewelry. Have had a few close calls
Sorry for delay. Had to take care of a few things offline.
step back from social media
That’s pretty huge. Everyone I’ve known who did that said it improved their life and mental health in lots of ways, and the harder their exit the more enthusiastic they were. Tried it myself back in 2012, and stuff probably wasn’t even as bad back then, but deleting google facebook twitter snap etc really did help me build better relationships and enjoy life more. I still text/chat people and use some forums like lemmy but never have to worry about an algorithm trying to fuck with my head lol
daughter mobile softball turret
That is wonderful! While I don’t have kids, I know the feeling of helping young people discover things they’re good at and it’s deeply gratifying. Really cool that you’re there to practice with her too. Having a parent who’s there isn’t a given yet helps so much with basically everything.
3/10 strikes 5/10 swing
From what I understand of baseball rules, that would mean like 8/10 over the plate or close enough for the hitter to attempt? 80% success sounds damn good for a new player. Is it possible she has some natural athleticism and/or hand-eye coordination?
learning together
Ditto re: softball knowledge; could only guess where to begin. Did see a few rounds of a softball game at a pub once and noticed the pitcher would deliberately bounce the ball, which I thought wasn’t a thing in regular baseball. Is this something pitchers in her league practice, like a type of pitch?
Sounds like you know where to seek respite!
I bet the summer weather will be welcomed by you and yours, yeah?
Most of the second amendment crowd have a “daddy” fetish and want to be ruled by a strongman figure. Mostly cuckish cowards
Those who don’t are afraid to arm themselves and share those vibes because it’s a statement, almost a challenge to possible strongman figures. Even if they think their reasons are different.
Those who are not afraid usually haven’t ever considered that they’ll actually have to defend values associated with those vibes.
That’s normal. That’s how it should be. Doing something for real is always a harder decision.
That and the 2a isn’t necessary for resistance. Been done in places without it obviously.
And yes, seems most of them seem quite happy with the current situation. Funny that.
Yep. The common myth is that 2A is for defence against tyranny, but it’s clearly about having people armed and trained to be ready to fight if they’re needed against an invading nation. That’s what the military was in the day: militias, not standing armies.
2A is broken and shouldn’t apply to the modern day, but that doesn’t really matter. It doesn’t matter why we are allowed to have weapons, just that we are and we should defend against those trying to intrude on the rights of others.
Militia is army in Latin, but in the day it already meant how people generally understand it now.
Also you are notoriously wrong about “not standing armies”, people were recruited and served for many years. Of course militaries were scaled up and down depending if it was wartime. Mandatory conscription and mobilization were a new tendency that, in some sense, led to WWI.
I think I want to play “Victoria” again.
2A is broken and shouldn’t apply to the modern day, but that doesn’t really matter.
Yes! Glad you understand that.
There’s a dialectic law with constitutional rights - if they are not on paper, then someone might say they don’t exist. If they are on paper, then someone might say they are given by that paper and exactly as much as written and intended.
Rights just exist, they are a transcendent object that can’t be defined or limited by laws.
I’ve been called a sovcit for saying that, despite it being pretty logical that if rights are limited and defined by law, then over time you’ll have fewer and fewer rights and not vice versa.
There’s a dialectic law with constitutional rights - if they are not on paper, then someone might say they don’t exist. If they are on paper, then someone might say they are given by that paper and exactly as much as written and intended.
Rights just exist, they are a transcendent object that can’t be defined or limited by laws.
This is why the ninth amendment is my favorite, and far too many people know of it. If the people have held certain rights, then they have them whether it’s written down or not, and they cannot be taken away without a good reason.
“The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”
This is how the abortion defence should have been argued in my opinion, but they went the route of defending it through weird implications of other amendments that you have to reach to get. The right to choose to have an abortion is a right that has long been held by the people. It only became an issue with obstetrics, to try to take jobs from midwives.
The same goes for guns and everything else. If we’ve held the rights to something, then it’s protected by the constitution whether it’s explicitly listed or not.
Also you are notoriously wrong about “not standing armies”, people were recruited and served for many years. Of course militaries were scaled up and down depending if it was wartime. Mandatory conscription and mobilization were a new tendency that, in some sense, led to WWI.
I some large nations, like France and England. The US was a tiny and poor nation. It would not have a standing professional military, and they wouldn’t expect it to.
Rights just exist, they are a transcendent object that can’t be defined or limited by laws.
I don’t think rights exist in any meaningful way unless enforced / people agree to follow them. They’re just norms in a nicer suit. There’s no external referee that’s going to stop the game because “your rights are being violated”.
That’s the point, laws and agreements are not rights and don’t affect rights.
There’s no external referee that’s going to stop the game because “your rights are being violated”.
Yes, that’s why they are called rights and not something else.
Spoiler: They do need a warrant.
Oh yes, they do. Absolutely. They may do whatever they were gonna do, regardless, but standing up for your own rights and the rights of others helps to guarantee them all the way out.
And, sometimes, all it takes is someone willing to stand up and cry the actions of the state
Yeah but in this county that i reside in only law enforcement can trespass someone.
And they likely won’t.
Hmm, I would check your local law. That is not how it generally works. If someone is on your property and you tell them to leave and that they are trespassed, then they have to leave. Failure to leave is almost always a crime in progress.
Owner / caretaker of any property can trespass anyone on their property. Law enforcement included. Which is why they need a warrant.
Only law enforcement can enforce the trespass. But you are trespassed when informed by a person with authority over the property that your presence is not welcome there. If they fail to leave, you can follow up in the courts.
Bullies melt when faced with even the tiniest bit of resistance. Because they are fucking cowards. All bullies are fucking cowards.
They know what they’re doing is illegal, and they only get away with it because some people let them. Don’t be one of those people. When you see your rights being violated, resist! When you see the rights of others being violated, resist then too!
The actions of the manager of the restaurant Chang Chang were not only American, they were patriotic.
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Know your rights!
Yep. The Germans coined a nice term, critically: Vorauseilender Gehorsam - pre-emptive obedience. Don’t do it.
Sometimes not doing it may cost you. When the society is in terminal stage, that is.
When everyone does “preemptive obedience”, just not doing it and politely asking “ok, but who you are, please provide some identification and such, or at least explain me how you are different from a random person demanding it, I don’t know who you are and why are you demanding this” might cause dangerous levels of fury in someone who is not a random person, unfortunately, just treats a request for their correct identification (which they would be able to provide) and reasons as an insult.
To not let it reach that level, you shouldn’t, yes.
Actually maybe we will have a period of history when Germans save everyone from tyranny. I’ve read they are thinking of returning conscription and are growing military industries rapidly. Maybe for a good cause this time. Should be their turn. LOL.
“Fascism” is not a German word. It’s an Italian word. Fascism started in Italy before it started in Germany and became something much worse.
Nowhere did they say “fascism” is a German word.
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A comical level of projection.
Why are you correcting people for something they didn’t say?
Why are you hallucinating things I never did?
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How did you manage to misinterpret such a short comment so badly? Go reread it. Seriously. You’ll see just how idiotic your response here is
I know it’s not what you’re saying, probably, but just to be clear: It wasn’t a good thing going just fine until the Germans took it too far. It sucked in Italy, too, and is always bad.
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Are you some weird bot or do you just have issues reading? They said Fascists are bad and have always been bad, including Nazis but also those before them.
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The black knight always triumphs!
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I am not to blame if you can’t understand my response.
Nah, your “teachers” are.
Save the world, hurt a bully today!
Bullies always hurt. That’s why they do what they do.
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Deine Gewalt ist nur ein stummer Schrei nach Liebe
Deine Springerstiefel sehnen sich nach Zärtlichkeit
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Isn’t this the exact reason Americans have so many guns, to oppose tyranny at the hands of the state? Funny how the most vehemently anti-gun control people are the same ones clapping and cheering as government thugs bundle people into detention centers without warrants.
Because having a gun for fun or feeling of superiority is morally easier than having it as part of citizen’s duty.
Makes sense. Maybe should call people of the same political opinions to some responsibility so that they’d arm themselves.
Bytes, my man, you need an archived link. https://nitter.net/PabloReports/status/1919822694477947003#m
Edit: A reminder to go after the argument, not the users. No troll baiting.
Xcancel works better
hmm
It’s just an x frontend that correctly embeds lol
Oh nice!!
Just curious, why?
Are we expecting the original to get deleted?
Trying to avoid fake tweets while also not sending traffic to Twitter.
Was the post edited since these comments? Because the image is just a screenshot they seem to have uploaded to slr.punk itself; it doesn’t go to Twitter at all.
A screenshot is worthless as a source.
You need a link to the post to prove the tweet is real, and an archived link to prove it was real in case it gets deleted.
Stand your ground
What are the odds it was a couple magats pretending to be ICE to fuck with immigrants or people the think are immigrants.
Depressingly high.
But also…depressingly low. The fact that they couldve been actual govt officials behaving this way is…worse?
Odds are pretty damn good, I’d say.
Still, it’s a distinction barely worth making. Garden varity pigs doing this shit are equally as unjust as brand name Pigs doing it.
They sell fake ICE federal agent jackets too. the Maga people pretending to be ICE could at least have the dignity to spend the 28 bucks on an ice jacket. Trying to get by with just a walkie talkie and a plain manila folder with no documents in it is a disappointing performance. They sell FBI, ATF and police ones too.
https://printerval.com/ice-federal-agent-3d-hoodies-p587374667
People need to start making this a fafo fatality.
Behold, the power of “No.”
I love to see it.
It is exactly the same power that Trump uses: the willingness to assert yourself. We need more people to not comply, especially in advance.
This is America, the most well armed nation in the world, push us far enough and that manilla folder gonna be full of holes.
Americans can’t even be bothered to get out and vote against this shit, they ain’t uprising against anything.
Go corner a wild animal and see what happens.
For those that have only lived comfortable and safe lives, the line where they bite back is far away, and for others that know pain or oppression, the line is a lot closer. But the line always exists, and with the way everything is going right now, we are all diving face-first over that line sooner or later.
There will come a breaking point though. I hope to never see it, but there is a line that can be crossed that will move people to action. I’ll admit, it might be further than it should be, but it’s there. Americans may be complacent, but people are people
We will end up with a general population that knows their immigration/civil liberties laws and rights, and how to exercise them.
It’s going to be real interesting.
So how long until real criminals start following suit and impersonating undercover ICE agents? Not like there’s much distinction between either “career” now, is there?
And then how long until ICE agents start showing up with holes on the ground because property owners “thought” they were real street thugs trying to rob them? Is there even a way to tell the difference? ~wink wink~
How long? Negative three months, apparently: https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/04/us/ice-impersonators-on-the-rise-arrests-made-as-authorities-issue-national-warning/index.html
And then how long until ICE agents start showing up with holes on the ground because property owners “thought” they were real street thugs trying to rob them? Is there even a way to tell the difference? ~wink wink~
Should happen more often, this aversion to civil violence is a bit like a game of “I drop my weapon, you drop yours” between governments and people, except governments never fulfill their part.
Like Russian opposition trying to do “everything by the law” until realizing the other side never was, it was just silent enough in killing and randomly vanishing people and pretending its just dumb thieves. The same is happening in the EU right now, they just don’t know it yet.
Criminals are not stupid and generally have no political leanings. This is already happening.
They’d be caught out too quickly.
“Hey, wait a second! Yeah, you’re holding me at gunpoint but you’re asking me to put the money in the bag? But real ICE would have just kidnapped me!”
remember; always throw a brick at ice
This is how the brownshirts operated. Just thugs, power trippin’, and attracting the absolute worst people who WANT to wear balaclavas and have the excuse to be intimidating assholes and have the power to bundle people into vans (or railcars).
Brownshirts, I think, didn’t wear balaklavas.
They were probably less cowardly
They were like football fans with knives, and their communist opponents kinda similar. So in part yes.
In part there was that nuance, that they were the approved kind of hooligans with knives, and their communist opponents those the government feared more. But neither wore balaklavas, and mostly they were on equal grounds, just Nazis were able to attract more support eventually.
In a poor depressed morally shaken environment communist ideas morph into Nazi ideas very quickly. Look not even at these people, but at (sincere, not official spoilers) communist groups in Russia, even the official CPRF has almost gone Nazi.
I wanna see security footage of them posted online, so other businesses in the area know there are vigilantes posing as secret police.
These guys probably weren’t even ICE. At this point, treat it like an attempted kidnapping, or better yet, an attempted ‘robbing’ of your employees, and give them a free sample of buckshot.
The footage and other complaints I’ve seen it could be both. Thugs either way.
From the set up, I’d have expected the agents to have unleashed whatever was in that manila folder. You’d think it was important if it was one of the only things they brought in.
Now I’m thinking it was less ICE agents carrying a warrant and more “militia leader bought a pack of folders at Staples” and told his racist minions a folder will get you through doors like wearing hi-vis or a ladder will.
It was just to fan away the fentanyl particles in the air
How do you wear a ladder?
Very carefully.
