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        Damn hack journalists. It was popularised by Petra Kelly (page 768, 82 in pdf) founding member of the German Greens:

        But when the laws of the state are in open rebellion against divine law, … then resistance is a duty, but obedience is a crime.

        …she was dishing it out with the CDU that’s why she quoted a Pope, in particular Pope Leo XIII, in 1890:

        1. But, if the laws of the State are manifestly at variance with the divine law, containing enactments hurtful to the Church, or conveying injunctions adverse to the duties imposed by religion, or if they violate in the person of the supreme Pontiff the authority of Jesus Christ, then, truly, to resist becomes a positive duty, to obey, a crime

        It then percolated through general Green-adjacent political spheres as a slogan and became “Wenn Unrecht zu Recht wird, dann wird Widerstand zur Pflicht”, “When injustice becomes law, then resistance becomes duty”, losing the “and obedience a crime” part. Usually attributed to Brecht, who probably wouldn’t mind, totally something he’d say. “I can’t eat enough for as much as I want to barf” isn’t Brecht, either, it’s Dürrenmatt. Actual Brecht quotes include “Who does not know the truth is just an idiot, but who knows the truth and calls it a lie is a criminal” as well as “First comes fodder, then morals”. Also, movie recommendation.

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          In any case, a good rule.

          Try telling it to people with relatives\connections behind government desks, even small ones. They immediately either have this absent look as if they are calculating with effort how to best hurt you, or the absolutely hateful look as if no piece of you should exist.

          That kind of reaction (EDIT: being so prevalent among that group of people) alone hints that today’s state bureaucracies have overstayed their welcome.

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        Oh boy, an ad hominem fallacy in the wild, it’s been a whole 5 seconds since I saw one!

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            The Founding Fathers fetishism so casually overrides peoples’ disgust for incest and pedophilia.

            It’s genuinely depressing. America is a failed state.

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              Not incest. She was his wife’s half-sister, not his.

              But that’s okay, whatever little bit of disgust that saved should be made up for by the fact she was their slave.

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              It’s extra depressing because these fucking stupid CHUDs licking slaver boot don’t seem to know that Jefferson never said or wrote that quote.

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    I wouldn’t be surprised if some cop who ate there wasn’t happy with the service he got and organised this shenanigan

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    We will end up with a general population that knows their immigration/civil liberties laws and rights, and how to exercise them.

    It’s going to be real interesting.

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    Bullies melt when faced with even the tiniest bit of resistance. Because they are fucking cowards. All bullies are fucking cowards.

    They know what they’re doing is illegal, and they only get away with it because some people let them. Don’t be one of those people. When you see your rights being violated, resist! When you see the rights of others being violated, resist then too!

    The actions of the manager of the restaurant Chang Chang were not only American, they were patriotic.

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      Isn’t this the exact reason Americans have so many guns, to oppose tyranny at the hands of the state? Funny how the most vehemently anti-gun control people are the same ones clapping and cheering as government thugs bundle people into detention centers without warrants.

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        Because having a gun for fun or feeling of superiority is morally easier than having it as part of citizen’s duty.

        Makes sense. Maybe should call people of the same political opinions to some responsibility so that they’d arm themselves.

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      Yep. The Germans coined a nice term, critically: Vorauseilender Gehorsam - pre-emptive obedience. Don’t do it.

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        Sometimes not doing it may cost you. When the society is in terminal stage, that is.

        When everyone does “preemptive obedience”, just not doing it and politely asking “ok, but who you are, please provide some identification and such, or at least explain me how you are different from a random person demanding it, I don’t know who you are and why are you demanding this” might cause dangerous levels of fury in someone who is not a random person, unfortunately, just treats a request for their correct identification (which they would be able to provide) and reasons as an insult.

        To not let it reach that level, you shouldn’t, yes.

        Actually maybe we will have a period of history when Germans save everyone from tyranny. I’ve read they are thinking of returning conscription and are growing military industries rapidly. Maybe for a good cause this time. Should be their turn. LOL.

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        “Fascism” is not a German word. It’s an Italian word. Fascism started in Italy before it started in Germany and became something much worse.

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      I still think about this scene a lot because I’ve been there sheen relatively normal people casually talked about going to cities and shooting "democrats“ while also talking about the guns they were currently buying. I should have turned them in.

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          I have too many family members who are Leo, plus other reasons why they shouldn’t do that. Plus it would be homeland security or FBI for various other reasons. But it could be ICE because I know a lot of immigrants. It would be a clusterfuck.

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      I wonder if the director told that actor “have, just, the worst trigger discipline. Make it look like you have no business handling a firearm.”

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        In the movie this is right after he executes 2 Chinese journalist, so lack of trigger discipline kinda makes sense. Oh and he’s about to try to execute a bunch more people in the up coming moments

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          Agreed. Dude was unhinged and didn’t give a fuck about any of that in this scene. Which obviously made it more tense

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            I’m not sure how well received this movie is but I really enjoyed it. The movie did a good job at not really identifying this characters “military affiliation” as well as the first group of militia they ran into. To my knowledge, nothing really identified these two groups as being affiliated with the government or resistance, so the tendency to just kill everyone you don’t know is probably how most things would get handled in the fallout/duration of a civil war.