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MSN messenger died for Skype
Skype died for Teams
We’re not on a great trajectory here
(Yes Lync too, but everyone was pleased about that)
Teams died for Teams (New)
Teams dying doesn’t sound too bad either. Just hoping the next iteration isn’t even worse
Given M$'s track record, it definitely will be worse…
Next iteration will be “Copilot for Teams”.
Whenever you get a message, Copilot will auto-send an answer unless you click “no” in a popup without window decorations, showing a timer.
On Windows Pro, you can disable this with a registry key, but that resets with feature updates.You know, if copilot also joins morning meetings for you while you sleep, that’s a deal I’m willing to make
How long until it degenerates to a bunch of Copilots exchanging gibberish, and people forgetting there was ever a real meeting? :D
Seems like the natural progression of things
Next iteration will be MSN Messenger
Teams will die for Copilot somehow.
Teams
New Teams
Teams (New)
Teams with Copilot
Copilot Teams
You missed Teams 365
365 will be dead soon enough. Long Live Office Copilot
They can all coexist in your desktop, just like outlook
By “coexist” we mean being installed side by side with barely distinguishable icons, and when you try to log into the wrong one with the wrong type of Microsoft account (where the login mask looks exactly the same), it throws a helpful error message saying “this account does not exist”.
You forgot all the Bing Chats in between.
And MSN was so much better.
Can imagine your boss nudging you? Lol
I don’t want to.
What most people don’t know about the ouroboros is that every time the creature eats itself it becomes a little bit closer to being a turd (a consequence of its peculiar metabolism) so even though from an inside perspective the system appears to be in a complex mysterious cyclic kind of stasis, from the outside it is just more and more obviously a turd in the shape of a donut.
Is this real lore or is this meme
I am not sure I remember anymore, I have eaten my tail one too many times.
I don’t think this is a direct meaning of the metaphor, though any metaphor of endlessly repeating cycles can be placed in a rhetorical framework where it represents enshittification so I am sure I am not the first person to add or tweak the metaphor with that context.
Did it die, though? Last time I had to use windows for work (shudder) the Teams app process name was lync.exe. Or was it Skype?
Either way, shit’s still around.
Still find it absolutely wild that Microsoft fucked up during the global pandemic and allowed Zoom to slide right into the communications spot Skype should have been.
Fucking idiots.
Did they really? Microsoft championed Teams and its pretty accepted in corporate environments today, especially if they are already on Microsoft.
Afaik, Skype for Business was merged into Teams. Skype for non-business consumers has been virtually dead for longer. The way I see it, Microsoft let go of the brand, the value of which is questionable in this decade. When they bought it, I remember the rumors saying it was because of its voice codec, which probably got used in everything from xbox live to teams in the end.Nobody uses Teams voluntarily. It’s always imposed by corporate.
Skype was the term for skyping. It’s like buying a social media that coined the term tweet and changing it’s name to a letter. Stupidest shit ever.
Microsoft has 1 massive disadvantage when it tries to enter new markets.
It has to deal with brutal cutthroat competition from its worst enemy: Microsoft.
Ms internal politics destroy almost all its successes, their politics are why theyve never really been a threat, for every skype there’s a teams which cuts them off at the knees lest it cost a division head their chance at a promotion.
I personally blame stack ranking, invented by Jack Welch to justify cutting 20% of the company.
If you want to get mad, the Behind the Bastards episode on him explains why corporate America is what it is today.
I heard about that, some call it the “wasted decade” at MS. Top engineers refused to work together due to the stack ranking, not wanting draw the short end of the stick in the evaluations, when compared to each other.
A company I worked at 10 years ago also dabbled with it a bit, luckily not seriously. It was a consultancy firm who hired top graduates from prestige universities, so it made even less sense. Dude, nobody is average or below here, you hire the best people after grilling them in interviews and a whole day assessment center. The bell curve just doesn’t make sense
My company does it and it’s fucking stressful. And just like you said, it doesn’t make a ton of sense.
Occasionally there are certainly people who are just there to ride coat tails but I see this behavior more in leadership than in the front lines.
IMHO, the pandemic just allowed everyone to see how much better of an experience Zoom had over Skype.
I worked in an office where half of corporate used Skype, and the cooler sub-brands used Zoom. No one in the main corporate office was happy about using Skype. Microsoft had been neglecting it for quite some time.
Microsoft had been neglecting it for quite some time.
You’re right but that’s why they’re idiots 😄
Yeah, right before the pandemic it was becoming clear that Skype was in Keep The Lights On mode, and MS wanted to funnel all of those users into Teams. But Teams also sucked.
It’s a lot better than it used to be, but it still takes MS an ungodly amount of time to build basic features that have been in Slack / Zoom for a decade… and MS is one of the biggest companies in the world.
how much better of an experience Zoom had over Skype.
I hate Zoom
I couldn’t get my head round this at all. Everyone used Skype where I worked, and it seemed hugely popular. By the time COVID happened, I was in another job, and all of a sudden everyone was going mad about this Zoom program. I’d never heard of it, but it just came out of nowhere and everyone on the planet was using it. How on earth Skype fumbled it so hard is absolutely staggering.
Skype didn’t fumble it, Microsoft just doesn’t know how to strategy. When they bought Skype, they killed MSN and told people to move to Skype, whereas they should’ve integrated the two to make the transition seamless. Then they had both Teams and Skype for Business at the same time by the time COVID happened.
They messed up on every turn.
MS Teams did become the standard in a lot of places now
I have to use Teams for work and it is absolute dog shit.
Why? My experience is the opposite.
Try searching for something that was said in a chat last month.
Then follow what was said in reply.Now as an admin, try to delete an image someone has shared with the team.
Or control who can create new teams.But my biggest pet peeve, which annoys me literally every day, is how it shows a notification for a new message in your task bar.
You click on it, Teams opens how you left it, and you read the message.
But the notification stays. To get rid of it, you have to click on a different chat, then back on the one where the message was posted.I agree, those ARE annoying things. But overall functionality is pretty solid IMO.
I just don’t understand how an app that’s primarily a chat can fail at notifications and searching through the chat log.
Let me introduce you to discord. You get a notification for a message but there’s no way to find it. You keep clicking the notification and it won’t actually scroll up to the message to let you read it
I never said it wasn’t dogshit, but Microsoft did win the corporate messenger race
Hey, RIM/Blackberry’s CEO went to mobile world Congress in 2010, 3 solid YEARS after the iPhone launched, was dominating and defining the smartphone world and said, “we feel touchscreen is not the future of mobile phones” and rolled out another hybrid touch/keyboard model like the 5 they already had
Blackberry was $150/share as of 2009 with the entire world in front of it. It’s now worth $3.59/share.
Netflix tried to get distribution in Blockbuster and a partnership w/them and were told to fuck off …
to be fair i miss physical keyboards on phones. i wish we still had space for it.
You could get a Bluetooth keyboard. Literally pick your size.
You have to charge it separately, it’s not quite as convenient
Same. Colossal pain in the ass.
Get yourself a RIMjob and help bring them back
I’d happily have a phone half an inch thicker if it meant a folding or sliding physical keyboard for my large hands.
Blackberry and Nokia were so slow to react to the iPhone, it was painful to watch.
And then, to bring us full circle to OP, Microsoft made it’s strategic acquisition of Nokia long after they had squandered enviable market share to Apple and Google 😂 https://www.theverge.com/2016/5/25/11766540/microsoft-nokia-acquisition-costs
Their stuff was better, but disadvantaged by public perception. A perfect storm one can say.
Their stuff was significantly worse in user experience. Buttery smooth scrolling and highly reactive multi touch on a touch screen only device was revolutionary. Touch screens back then were known to be shitty to use. The competition to the iPhone were phones with tons of buttons, styluses and cumbersome user interfaces.
All previous players in the smartphone market Blackberry, Nokia, Palm, Windows mobile were slow to adapt and failed.
Palm’s webOS was competitive to iOS and in many ways superior. It failed because of mediocre hardware, bad carrier deals, and running out of money too quickly.
Google‘s Android succeeded despite sucking until about version 4 by willpower and deep pockets from Google.
The original introduction keynote for the iPhone was mindblowing back then.
with tons of buttons, styluses and cumbersome user interfaces.
My dad had one. I liked that more. What you call cumbersome I call clean and sharp.
While those rows of vaguely symbolic mildly nauseating icons we have now irritate, overload and suppress me.
And back then I didn’t know that, but making Tcl/Tk programs for Windows Mobile of that time, for example, was as easy as for desktops.
All previous players in the smartphone market Blackberry, Nokia, Palm, Windows mobile were slow to adapt and failed.
Yes, that’s why Stephen Elop went from Microsoft to Nokia, buried Nokia’s relevant smartphone business, then went right back to Microsoft. Blackberry was too business-oriented, they should have marketed more universally.
And they even dropped Maemo. Maemo didn’t have any of Symbian’s supposed “burning” traits. Nobody can persuade me a Linux+Qt based system is worse than iOS, especially of that time.
Dunno about Palm then.
Windows Mobile was Microsoft’s accidental good product, of course they decided to bury that as soon as they found an excuse.
Let’s clarify this - I don’t consider iPhone anything good. Its success is a result of a cultist phenomenon which didn’t lead to anything good either. I agree about Android.
But I can also see how that phenomenon happened, I myself looked in awe at anything Apple, just where I live it was and is considered luxury stuff. I also had this indoctrination from stupid books and articles about Stephen Jobs being some genius and Apple being a good company and the underdog. Had a children’s book about computers with the semi-transparent colored plastic iMac and classic MacOS screenshots, and had seen an ad about the lamp-shaped iMac G5, liked that aesthetic, wanted that. Used QuickTime browser plugin under Windows 2000, and my dad had an iPod. By the time I’ve seen a Mac IRL Apple’s aesthetic mutated into some ugly crap I didn’t like. I still feel that awe in what others do with software like Hotline and KDX and other things that originated on Macs. Apple had a huge emotional capital. Unfortunately, it went the way it went.
Using TCL/Tk and Qt based apps on smartphones with a stylus was a pain in the butt in my experience.
You probably mean Windows Phone, not mobile. Yes, Windows Phone 7 and 8 on Nokia phone were really compelling.
Being able to scroll and zoom real websites smoothly on a phone, instead of having to use crappy WAP was huge.
This meant lots of people were getting an iPhone as their first smartphone.
The iPhone succeeded initially because of ease of use. Of course Apple‘s brand image played a role as well. When it came out it was 1000 US$, making it more expensive than other phones. So it instantly became a status symbol.
Ease of use and status meant the executives of corporations started to demand their IT departments make the iPhone work with their Microsoft based networks and such.
Later on Apple started supporting corporate features and mobile device management for corporations really well. Corporate IT loves iPhones because of the great management options, the limited range of models, and long support with software updates. Once Apple had a foot in corporate, their success became cemented.
You probably mean Windows Phone, not mobile. Yes, Windows Phone 7 and 8 on Nokia phone were really compelling.
No, I mean Windows Mobile. Windows Phone with those tiles - no.
Once Apple had a foot in corporate, their success became cemented.
Dunno, it felt like the cult part fired much earlier and for much longer.
Intel thought the iPhone market was going to be too small so they didn’t agree to manufacture their CPUs
While also completely missing the boat on the potential of graphics cards and watching Nvidia and even AMD become massively more relevant in recent years.
I think he felt right, but at the same time Blackberry wasn’t properly marketed.
And maybe having a touchscreen option would be good enough.
They’re a cyber security firm now. Wild stuff.
Rip to a real one
I fell out of contact with a lot of people when they shuttered MSN messenger for Skype, so not sad to see it go.
MSN Messenger was brilliant. At the time I used it, everyone I knew used it. It was the go-to for communication.
Somebody send a gift basket to the Skype CEO, he’s not doing so well.
I see Brennan, I upvote. Love the guy, his DnD campaigns are a blast!
Huh?
I thought Skype was still a widely used thing.Well; not any more. That’s for sure.
Was.
microsoft pissed away all the brand recognition it ever had and turned it into teams. in 2020 it was poised to be the most important technology there was, but having received no updates in years, it was effectively already dead
I haven’t heard of anyone using Skype in over a decade.
Immigration Canada wanted proof of my wife and I’s relationship, so we dumped a packet of printed call logs on them as thick as a novel. Skype certainly served its purpose.
I remember the “old” Skype, which was essential for keeping in touch with my siblings before we got cell phones. Once I got a phone, it was the end of Skype until ~2014 when I got a job where Skype for business was available. I still didn’t use it because that application would sometimes crash if you just jiggled the mouse. It became a running joke at my workplace.
Clock into work, Skype crashed.
Go to lunch, Skype crashed.
Ran out of TP at home. You guessed it. Skype crashed.
On one hand, having been forced to use Skype, I’m happy to see it gone. On the other hand, they somehow made it worse and called it Teams.
Please don’t confuse skype4biz and Skype. The former only borrows the name, and shares a lot of code with teams, Lync and probably netmeeting.
The latter will be missed.
Skype for business was truly awful.
A new convo instance every time I messaged the same person after a few hours of not, taking upwards of 10 minutes to sync convos between my laptop and my phone if it did at all, and the shittiest voice/video functions ever? Glad that shit died, teams seems amazing in comparison.
Communicator should be in there somewhere, too
Story of the times, have a good thing then break it so you can replace it with a shitier thing. Then have the competition eat your lunch by making a slightly less shitty thing.
I found my physical “skipe” phone last week, dang it we could have had a bad bitch. But no, now we have fucking teams.
For us plebs. Government (US) will still use it for years to come.
Nope, Teams.
Not everywhere.
I think Teams has already taken over there as well.
Not everywhere.
I’m 39. So I’ve been around Skype since it came out back in 2003. Since then, 22 years later I didn’t use it a single time. Never downloaded the program, app or accessed the webpage. 🤷
I used Skype a couple of times - I was talking to someone overseas. This was pre zoom. It’s interesting that they dropped the ball, they could have been zoom.
skype was way ahead of his time. The quality was top notch. MS fucked by changing the architecture from decentralized to centralized in windows servers - this fucked up the calls quality and it created an opportunity window for whatsapp, viber, etc…
MS turned skype to shit.
I’ll never get over MSN Messenger
For video calls that was really bad compared to skype.
Unfortunately everybody was using it (i had to do it because everybody was using it).
Welk Yeah, it wasn’t for video calls, it was for messages full of emoticons :)
And the nudge!
Story of the Microsoft…
Can I guess that the American amoral capitalist company won’t have transferred my Skype credit?
I had like $9.22 remaining credit from some international calls back in 2002 I was going to use…eventually.
I find it funny Microsoft gave me a survey on my work PC asking about how I’m enjoying its products (I laughed in Linux, “how do you like windows customizablity” let me go off about KDE lol)
But back to the subject. Literally everything they work on seems to turn to shit — I wonder what kind of survey feedback are they usually getting? “Oh, Skypes cool but I really like Teams”
Literally everything they work on seems to turn to shit
Not the MS Office though.
