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Whats even funnier is that in the original (Jewish interoperation) god does this as a joke. Yes god literally makes a bet with angels over if he’ll acturally go through with it. Then said angels go down to earth to attempt to sway him because they wanted to win the bet.
How exactly is the Jewish interpretation different from the Christian one? I thought the Christian Old Testament was identical to the Torah. I ask as someone who was raised Methodist.
The difference is that the Jewish interpenetration developed both before and after Christianity started, so its not really possible for them to be the same.
The Torah is only the first five books of the Old Testament. Depending on what branch of Christianity you go by, the Old Testament contains 39-49 books. But that’s only a small nit.
I’ve never heard of that particular interpretation of the Abraham story, being raised Catholic. I also can’t find any sources that say that the Jews believe that the Abrahamic Covenant started as a joke between God and the angels, but then again my quick search might not have had the right keywords.
I wouldn’t trust anyone who misspelled interpretation twice.
interpenetration
My keyboard app doesn’t have working spellcheck. Sorry that every other Android keyboard is spyware.
But no worries the kid as a sleep during the decision making. Right? I don’t recall exactly from last time I read the book.
I’m just wondering what kind of parents name their kid Abraham. Like “We’re gonna name him after that guy. Yes, that one.”
And then he grows up and frees the slaves. Go figure.
Well hey, when your invisible friend says kill, you kill.
Once you start learning about some newer iterations of Christianity like Mormonism and Seventh Day Adventism, where there are actual accounts of their prophets, you do realize how these people were either really good con artists or just insane.
Why not both?
According to them:
Mutilating your genitals for sky daddy in your head- good and normal
Surgery to be your true self - Deranged
I hate this hell world.
Job: “Thanks for giving me back everything you took from me in that bet with Satan, but can you please bring my dead family back to life?”
God: “We haven’t established that lore yet.”
God: I replaced them, what’s your problem?
I constantly reference Job for exactly that logic. Early Christianity saw family as property first.
I’m pretty sure it started with some chick named Mary cheating on her spouse, and then “Uh, no, it’s uh, it’s… MAGIC! Yeah, I got pregnant from magic! But the magic was a person you see, named uhm, looks over at pet dog, named do- uh no, g-o-d, his name was God! God gave us a magic baby! Yay!”
The power of women. She and few schizophrenics changed the whole society.
don’t forget the part where she got her fiance/husband totally snookered and/or dosed with magic mushrooms or something; and then appeared to him pretending to be an angel telling him to shut the fuck up and go with it.
(or maybe she got a friend to be the angel?)
Edit: also, can we talk about how if the story is real… there was no chance that Mary could give meaningful consent?
Well, the whole virgin Mary is later stuff. Joseph was the father probably. If there was any Jesus at all - the “objective” historical mentions we get are not really very first-hand, so it’s all kind of clouded.
So, like, To go with more modern names, it’d be like some guy named Michael having a kid they named Braiden. In that particular time and place Yoseph was a super common name; as was Yeshua.
Which suggests there were many, many people named “Yeshua Bar Yoseph” which is part of the reason we have “Yeshua of Nazareth”
In fact, there was probably more than one Yeshua bar Yoseph from Nazareth, even if it was a small town. just like how there’s Braiden, Brayden, Braeden, Braidyn. It’s probably a good thing I’d never have kids because I’d name them all Zathras
For religion rape is a feature not a bug
That’s the new testament. Pretty modern and woke stuff compared to the old testament which is the common root of Abrahamic religions.
And that tells a lot about the state of the whole thing, really.
Mary was a teenage girl that was being married off to an older man who was already widowed with children (at least, I think that’s the Catholic claim. “Perpetual virginity” and all that means that Jesus shouldn’t have siblings…)
I think rationally she was a teenage girl that was raped by a Roman soldier, and considering that not being a virgin on your wedding night was the kind of thing that, at least on the books, could get you killed…
If Mary lied, that was a really smart move.
Religion is a helluva drug.
As they say, if you talk to God, that’s praying, but if God talks to you, that’s schizophrenia.
If you talk to god, you are an idiot and if he talks to you, you are a schizophrenic idiot.
If someone finds comfort in talking to God, then they’re comfortable. If it produces a desirable result, then it’s desirable.
Calling others morons for disagreeing with their way of life, however, solves nothing. I was a Reddit atheist at one point, and I’m glad I’m no longer one.
And if it produces nothing but example after example after example of negative results? What is it then?
Thinking that it’s a one-size-fits-all solution. In some people, it helps. In others, it hurts. If people found their own faith, instead of having it handed to them at birth, the world would look a whole lot different now.
Perhaps, it would even be a good one.
He has those crazy eyes.
“Old man listens to cloud” is an even scarier headline.
A lovely test of one’s faith is whether they’ll stab and burn their child on command.
By the way, if someone is constantly testing you, that’s abusive. Run. Away.
Gabriel: what else could a test to see whether someone would stab and burn a child possible be!?
God: a test of obedience and faith!
Gabriel: a test to see if someone has faith in voices in his head that tell him to murder children IS A PSYCHOPATH TEST!!
God: well I’m sure there is something more psychotic than obeying murderous voices in your head
Gabriel: well, I can’t think of much
omg 💀
Not to mention that those same 4 billion people are convinced that it is an act of love. Their god would be abusive as fuck if it existed.
The act of Love was that after demonstrating his commitment, God allowed him to dip out at the last second and sacrifice a goat instead.
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Honestly less. How many are just going along with it because its the easiest path?
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I think so as well. If they could just see how hard they make their lives by listening to the few who mainly use it get away with their crimes.
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I know all too well. Many of them do it for the attention. My parents got up in church every sunday and pleaded for everyone to pray for me. I remember so many times my dad would get right up in my face screaming at me at the top of his lungs. Every cuss word except the one that starts with F would fly out of his mouth. After all that is where he drew the line. Never of course when anyone other than my mother would see. They always made a big show of any kindness they did for me. Only for them to take it back when their audience had left. There are so many of those types that gravitate toward power that there is no hope for most of them. They are either their fools or their tools but one thing is for certain anyone who really believes is being manipulated by those that just use it for their own gain. I have never in my life felt further from decency than in the congregation of a baptist church.
