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Putting a woman at the top of the ticket again would definitely be a way to show them, “hey we are willing to walk into the same trap as many times as it takes to prove our point about equality.”
Not enough women think a woman should be president to make the idea viable, and that’s not my fault.
Which woman matters.
I find it funny, that you still buy into this narrative. Most western countries and many countries were women are considered to be discriminated more than in western countries had women leading governments. This includes far right parties such as in Italy.
Neither Hillary nor Harris lost because they were women. They lost because they had political positions driving away progressives and presented themselves in an uncharismatic and “high-and mighty” way that alienated the conservative bases they tried pondering to. If you want to win you have to at least pretend to care about normal people, not belittle them.
Two questions.
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Can you reference statements or interactions where these women represented themselves as high and mighty?
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Isn’t part of trump’s appeal to his base (regardless of them saying “he’s just like us”) that he claims to know more about, or be better than someone else, at literally everything?
Nice link, but the prompt for number 1 was…
Can you reference statements or interactions where these women represented themselves as high and mighty?
The article has no direct quotes from Harris or Hillary. The closet thing I could find was a complaint that for the month of October, Harris appeared with Mark Cuban more often than the UAW leader.
It also has some pretty dumb takes.
That’s gonna be a ‘no’ for me. Try again?
For #2, Trump has a way of talking and carrying himself that makes him seem obviously like not one of the political elites around him. His plans are also wildly different than theirs (to the point of stupidity) and he seems ready to upend existing systems, which working-class people who those systems haven’t helped like. Hillary was one of the most establishment candidates to ever exist, and Harris kept herself as basically 100% aligned to Biden during the election (and to other classic establishment Republicans like the Cheney).
So your argument is that Trump doesn’t present himself as high and mighty? The dude had AI Photoshop him as the fucking pope…
Fascists want a strong-man leader, so yes, he and they produce photos of him with rippling muscles, riding a wind-swept horse, and while nailed to Jesus’ cross all at the same time.
But they don’t consider him an “elite” either. He’s supposed to drain the swamp, remember? They think he’s out of the establishment and will destroy the system that took affordable homes from them with his big, strong, racist muscles.
Now, I don’t think any of this is inconsistent, but even if you could find one, yeah, the common person is not a well-informed, forged in the fires of philosophical rigor, politically strategic agent of the people’s will—they believe a lot of irrational things. This is why the leopard eats their face so often.
The real difference between the parties is that the republicans have a story. They sell snake oil and salves to cure your ailing economy, while the Democrats sell… I mean, nothing, really. They sell the idea that things are just fine as they are, something nobody believes.
So it sounds like they are okay with a man being high and mighty, but a woman displaying any kind of competence or qualification is unacceptable grandstanding.
It’s almost as if what appeals to right wing voters doesn’t necessarily appeal to left wing voters. Those right wing voters don’t like women appearing to know more than men, but do like men who carry themselves as of they know everything and can do no wrong.
I know it wasn’t you that made the point, but…
Neither Hillary nor Harris lost because they were women.
Yep… It was because they were women.
People also seem to forget that Kamala had no primary to prove her chops, and had to work with less time to campaign due to Biden’s stupidity. While not a great candidate, she got fucked over by the DNC’s myopic habit of anointing candidates.
She also had Biden financially backing a genocide, with no pushback from her, to contend with.
It’s hard to say how much that was a factor. We know that the campaign’s staff were instructed to record voter concerns about Gaza as “no response,” but independent polling organizations found that most voters ranked the issue well below the usual, immigration and the economy. IIRC, only in Michigan was the number of protest voters high enough to perhaps swing the election.
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I think the issues with Harris and Clinton was that they were both boring, pro establishment candidates and Harris especially was a prosecutor right the BLM movement was demanding police reform. The DNC can’t or won’t read the room.
It’s an uncomfortable truth but there’s a lot of sexism out there that simply believe that a “man” … any man is better than women in positions of power. Like I heard about Latinos for Trump believing Trump would just simply be better than Kamala on the economy due to his gender.
To be clear, I definitely don’t agree with it.
It’s just self reporting your own misogyny if you think it’s cause they were women and not because of who they were as people
Oh please. We live in a very sexist world, and you’d be a clown to deny this has bearing in the political world
Those sexists wouldn’t be voting for a Democrat, anyway.
We live in a very sexist
worldcountry.FTFY. Non-shitholes manage to follow women leaders just fine.
Tim “Expand Isreal’s Borders” Walz? Tim “lost his own home district in the presidential election” Walz? Nah, hard pass.
DNC donors want a corporate stooge for president who does nothing and says nothing they don’t approve of.
I am an extremely safe looking whiteboy and I’d love nothing more than an AOC pres and Crockett vice pres ticket. That shit would be awesome.
I will vote for whoever isn’t the disgusting republican traitor. But give me fucking AOC, ffs.
I’d vote for a literal dog at this point as long as it had competent, non fascist advisors.
Even if it were a yellow dog? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_dog_Democrat
Why would they, if they know you’ll vote for whoever isn’t republican
Good call. Best to not vote so they don’t even need to try to win your vote. /s
Why are .ml some of the dumbest people on Lemmy?
Best to not vote so they don’t even need to try to win your vote
So you admit that they’re openly not trying to win?
Why are .world so often equally dumb to the .ml?
If you know a certain group doesn’t vote in large numbers, why would you try to win their vote. If progressives actually voted in primaries or down ballot, Bernie would have won the primary and several other lower politicians would be progressive.
I voted for Bernie, but I actually vote in every election, primary, and fill out the entire ballot. I’ve had countless arguments with people calling themselves “progressives” that claim not voting is not inaction. The claim by sitting on their ass at home they are sending a message. And in a way they are, just not the message they think.
I said this at the time, why field a chancy candidate in a country of racists and misogynists unless you wanted to lose?
The battle of being politcally correct vs appealing to more voters.
I voted kamala but I thought her campaign and policies were total shit. I want a bernie or aoc, but the ones who run on empathy and understanding are going to lose in this nation, for now.
Republicans will make sure the democrats never have a successful platform. They will do absolutely everything in their power to make sure anything positive is never passed unless their name is on it as the driver. If anything maybe we should all just join the republican party and vote for a liberal candidate in their primaries. If just half of the democrat voters did this we’d win their primaries and win the election by default.
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I think you have to be a much stronger candidate than Harris was to be either of those things, let alone both. Obama was a very strong personality and he only had one strike against him. And he wasn’t running against a social media shitstorm because that whole strategy was still very nascent.
We already saw what happened to Bernie in the 2016 DNC nomination race; he wasn’t going to get that close again, they had to pull out all the bullshit DNC fuckery to get Hillary in there.
Harris started really strong, too, but then just had to turn the whole campaign into a Liz Cheney slumber party and couldn’t admit that the obvious genocide in Gaza was a bad thing. She literally just had to let Tim Walz do his thing and it would have gone great.
Establishment Democrats love losing.
They need to energize their base and most people voting for Democrats are not racist or misogynist enough for the colour of a candidate’s skin to be a major issue. That isn’t why Harris lost and that should be obvious enough.
She’s making her move
I don’t think that is going to be necessary any more.
Crockett said Democrats have ‘this fear’ about voting for a woman again after Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton lost
Both had a VP named Tim. Need to run a third trial where a safe white man runs with a VP candidate with the name Tim to confirm that isn’t the issue.
The issue I see with those 2 is no one wanted Hillary, and she basically bought off the DNC to get the nomination. Kamala was thrown into the race way too late. Joe should’ve said right away he wasn’t looking for a 2nd term and immediately start pushing Kamala.
Democratic leadership just shoots themselves in the foot, and then blames voters.
I certainly will not vote for Newsom or Buttigieg. Unless some other incredible candidate comes out of the woodworks, I’ll be AOC or bust if she decides to run.
AOC with Crockett as vice pres.
Which just means another loss.
Why not vote for whoever you want in the primary and then whoever wins that in the general?
vote blue no matter who huh.
Surely this fascist government is preferable to milquetoast Democrats huh?
Because I’m not going to vote for pre-tea party Republicans under any circumstance. I didn’t vote for them then, and I won’t vote for them now.
Tbh Idgaf. I really don’t. Show up to the primaries, whoever wins gets my full support. I will volunteer and campaign for that person, whoever it is.
Your Republicans and most Democrats are two sides of the same medal
They’re both funded by the same
peoplecorporations, so many of their goals are the same.
“Safe” is how we got fucking Trump and the Turdpublicans running amok. How about we try some socialism, instead of unbridled capitalism?
It’s not that the candidates are women, POC, nonbinary!!! It’s they’re Republicans (DINOs).
That said, I like Jasmine. Afaik
Who is Jasmine Crockett and why do we care? (Edit: other than “texas lawmaker”)
Also, this isn’t a surprise. Lots of sexists won’t vote for a woman.
Who is Jasmine Crockett
What is a search engine?
and why do we care?
She’s not a centrist so you don’t.
Also, this isn’t a surprise. Lots of sexists won’t vote for a woman.
AOC is having a moment so suddenly the party is pushing the message that women can’t win. If they had some genocide-happy corpodem they intended to foist on us, they wouldn’t be holding back all women just to stop one progressive woman.
Is no-one going to tell them?
They have definitely heard. They just don’t care.
