Fuck Microsoft. They enshittify everything and they support a genocide by helping to select targets to murder. No game is worth supporting this.
Microsoft isn’t the only company helping Israel target children and women especially in there favourite location hospitals.
How is this response remotely relevant to the comment you’re responding to?
Youre acting like we should only boycott Microsoft and there games because theyre supporting it but a lot of companies could have stakes in gaming companies and support the genocide its a team effort from NATO to support Israels genocide.
Well, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, as they say. Literally anything you buy, there could be a shareholder who is evil. But y’gotta vote with your wallet, and so it makes a bigger impact to boycott companies that are directly involved, rather than ambiguous or strenuous connections.
Youre acting like we should only boycott Microsoft
The thread is about a Microsoft product, so of course they’re going to discuss Microsoft specifically
This is true but Microsoft is the one which made the BDS list for being most responsible.
I remember when their DRM was just telling you that you’d go to HELL if you pirated it.
🥺 pwease money?
Seeing this pains me, especially considering Id Software’s history with Linux. Prior to being bought by Bethesda, most of Id’s games had official native Linux ports. Even Doom 3 had a native Linux port, it doesn’t seem to work anymore but there are source ports like Dhewm3 available for it.
It wouldn’t astonish me if this were a semi-deliberate act by microsoft. While they’re trying very hard to expand to every platform, non-windows pcs seem to be the exception. Linux and OSX have the game gamepass support as your phone.
This is what happens when bean counters make the decisions. Linux is only 4% of market share so I am sure the cost of supporting Linux users was not worth it.
so I am sure the cost of supporting Linux users was not worth it.
What’s so fucking annoying about these DRM issues is that basically all of the AntiCheat and DRM we have WORK ON LINUX IF YOU ENABLE ONE FUCKING SETTING
Easy AntiCheat for example is quite literally a checkbox at some point of compiling or whatever, I’ve seen someone do it!
Shows you how little they value Linux games
It never is just a checkbox though. You have to test the result and with Linux you have to test dozens of distros. For a fraction of users. If Linux crowd wants to be taken seriously, they should settle on a single distro for everything.
You have to test the result and with Linux you have to test dozens of distros
Lol
You get what you pay for. You buy denuvo, you get denuvo.
After how id treated my man Mick Gordon, I’m torrenting cracked versions of their games here on out - pulling the patient gamer card.
Fuck the management at id. Just another corporate machine.
Only way for this to change is to vote with your (virtual) feet and wallet and “cancel” games that have DRM, in my opinion.
Good luck, there is DRM on almost every peace of software you buy. Most of it you never notice but it is there. I am guessing
Id~~Bethesda ~~Microsoft went a little too hard on their DRM. We will probably have another Spore situation here and its becomes going to become the number one pirated game of 2025. Or maybe not, the last Doom game wasn’t that great and I am assuming this one is trash too.With EA and Spore - SecuROM was a straight up root kit. Basically malware. Pretty sure on the Sims 2 forums there were people who had their computers bricked. (Sims 2 was already messy enough to reinstall sometimes, EA did lots of weirdness with the registry.)
Sony did something similar with music CD’s. Their elaborate scheme to prevent you from ripping your CD’s more than three times or whatever created a vulnerability that was actively exploited by malware developers.
There are a lot of indie/open games that are DRM-free. I refuse to think all good games are the ones with DRM
One of Steam’s selling point to developers is that it has easy DRM tools for them to use. Bethesda probably added their own DRM on top of Steam’s. But no for profit company is going to let you pirate software they spent thousands or millions to developed.
GoG has DRM-free games: https://www.gog.com/en/about_gog
Gog also doesn’t have nearly as many games.
Shows how much, most companied wont want to give you DRM free stuff.
Who knows, maybe they are gaining side-revenue, selling your memory scans.
Oh no?
Yes, and I don’t know what you are trying to say.
Man, they’re taking the “dark ages” part seriously.
That probably explains all of the crashes reported by windows users too. ID Software what happened? You were supposed to be the chosen one.
You must really fucking hate composers or not play games if you think ID is a contender for the best game studio.
It used to be. 😭
Owned by zenimax, owned by microsoft. Same owners of activision blizzard. Shafted Mick Gordon. So this is kinda 100% as expected.
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Not that I would have bought it - not my type of game - but this game gets on my blacklist.
Yet more evidence that the smartest thing you can do if the game comes from a AAA studio is hold off on buying it for 6-12 months.
If the game comes with Denuvo, never, ever buy it.
I think the point is that they often eventually remove Denuvo and it becomes a moot point.
My point is that companies that use it are anti-consumer scum and should be actively boycotted.
Companies like Sega and Ubisoft never remove it, and in the case of Ghostwire Tokyo, Bethesda added it nearly a year after release, pulling a bait-and-switch on PC gamers that would never have it bought it otherwise.
These companies demonstrate that will steal your purchase from you whenever they feel like it. They do not deserve anyone’s money, not even 6-12 months later at 90% off.
If a company uses Denuvo, don’t give them money. Because that’s what you’re doing. You aren’t buying anything, you are just giving them money.
Yeah, they pay fees to keep Denuvo in the game. So they only usually use it for the first 6-12 months, (long enough to capture the initial surge of launch sales), and then remove it to stop paying the fees.
Aww, that’s disappointing. Linux users with a DS or who use emulators should look into Orcs & Elves in the meantime. It’s another fantasy-flavored FPS from ID and it’s pretty good.
Orcs & Elves
dude, sick, i never heard of this one 👍
All this drm nonsense ever does is punishes the paying customers and maybe delays cracked version by a few days, but fucking pencil pushers still put it into everything.
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That’s anticheat, not drm
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maybe delays cracked version by a few days
Denuvo has not been cracked since 2023. The only pirated copies of Doom Eternal were using a leaked denuvo-free build until Bethesda removed denuvo entirely 3 years after release, and unfortunately they didn’t leak a denuvo-free build this time, so you are probably going to have to wait a couple of years or so.
you aren’t buying doom because it has denuvo. im not buying doom because i am boycotting microsoft products. we are probably a little similar
Also it’s $80 fucking dollars for the base edition. Everyone complaining about Nintendo game pricing but Doom gets a pass apparently.
Just another reason to wait long after release to buy a game. Denuvo charges games companies to administer the DRM infrastructure and most developers will strip it out of their games after it’s been out for a while.
Buying games on launch is one of the most anti-customer experiences you can get. And that’s saying something in our wonderful capitalist economy
Buying a game post-launch:
- Better prices; often on sale.
- Fixed and patched up.
- Extra content often included.
- DRM often removed.
No brainer, imo.
Remember when games used to, at least sometimes… do actual internal beta testing to iron out performance bugs and such?
Now we are all alpha and beta testers, all the time.
Sometimes even AAA and ‘AAAA’ games release, and then unrelease before the alpha or beta is even done!
Yeah, patient gaming for me, haven’t preordered or gone into an early access game in almost a decade now…
Cons:
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maybe multiplayer isn’t very populated if you wait too long
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Preordering games: I need this digital product before jt goes up in price or runs out of copies!
Runs out of copies? Is that a thing?
not for digital games.
It’s ironic
Like rain on your wedding day?
Like something about cutlery
Like eating mom’s spaghetti with a spork.
It’s a free ride, but you already paid?
Whoever came up with that deserves credit. Entirely lovely and harmless “superstition” as far as I can tell. No one is hoping for rain so they won’t be disappointed, but everyone has that line (“lucky it’s raining on your wedding day“ or whatever) ready just in case.
I wonder if there are other white lie kinda pro-social quips like that
You forgot a bonus point:
- Hardware requirements are now easier/cheaper to meet/exceed.
They also typically go on really good sales right around the time denuvo gets removed.
Patient gamers represent! The older I get, the less I care about FOMO. The less I care about FOMO, the happier I am. It’s a beautiful cycle.
/me goes back to playing snes games on an emulator
A lot of things in life are improved once you excise the FOMO mind cancer.
Yeah, there’s so many good games and so little time, I don’t understand how anyone wouldn’t have a big backlog anyway.
cause they only play slop with huge marketing.
Pirating single player games is unfortunately the way to go, considering you BUY a single player game and STILL get fucked on it.
Pirating is getting so hard for me that it’s becoming not an option. Comcast has started blocking vpn nodes for me, but only of I am torrenting. And if I turn off the vpn, DMCA notices out the ass. I’m kinda stuck.
What VPN and where are you located?
Couple things you can do, try changing your router DNS to quad9 or open DNS, make sure you’re not using Comcast default DNS servers.
Try a new VPN provider, I’ve been using Torguard for almost a decade, zero issues, there are discount codes where you can get it for $29/year.
I have a dedicated desktop for seeding, I upload about 1TB per day on soulseek/nicotine+ and torrents.
Thank you, you’re a god among men. I use a pihole for DNS, but I will give Torguard a try because I’ve been thinking of getting rid of private internet access since they went all corporate.
Pihole is fine, just make sure it’s not using the Comcast DNS settings. I have a pihole instance also that I use to block ads.
Disagree, like yesman (lol) said it’s best to wait. I’m not that worried about playing games day one but I still want to sort the Devs, after they’ve patched out the bugs and removed DRM preferably
Only the devs who don’t use Denuvo
I’m not either, I get them on sale later, just pointing out why would they screw over a paying customer with DRM bullshit.
If only buying games actually supported devs anymore. Devs seem to get fired for any reason nowadays.
Bad game? Fired. Good game? Also fired. Popular game that people loved? Believe it or not, also fired. Develop a game only for the company to change direction and the game gets cancelled? Absolutely fired.
You’d think these publishers would value talent as much as their intellectual property but they seem to not care anymore for either.
I get where you’re coming from and I agree the job security for Devs and the financing of games is fucked. It’s still disingenuous to claim that pirating the game has the same impact as buying.
Plenty of singleplayer games are from indies, those more or less support the developer.
I’m sure most pirates don’t sit here and want a crack for a 10-20€ Indie Game. But a 80€ Game (sometimes even with additional microtransaktions like skins etc.) Yeah I see that.
^ This is me.
Any indie devs out there using Denuvo?
Just saying, indie devs just dont have the money and time to use denuvo
And you don’t need to wait for indie games, though you might need to be patient about early access quality. But, as long as the dev(s) stick with it, even that can be satisfying to see the game improve from a janky boilerplate mess to wherever it is really headed.
Only pay money for open source because you can actually own it
