Aww, that’s disappointing. Linux users with a DS or who use emulators should look into Orcs & Elves in the meantime. It’s another fantasy-flavored FPS from ID and it’s pretty good.
Orcs & Elves
dude, sick, i never heard of this one 👍
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Just don’t run their shitty silicon burners on your system and get some good stuff.
Support teams that are willing to make builds for the latest Arch release (and tell me too if you find any :P).I have narrowed down my “to pay” list to GoG + Linux games, only problem being, since they are not open source, we still depend upon them rebuilding the binaries for the latest systems. Otherwise, we need to then keep an older version of Ubuntu for it. Really wish GoG pushed Debian as a standard for those cases (for old games which the dev might not rebuild), because Ubuntu ages worse than Debian, when out of LTS.
I completely forgot about that game. I played an early demo and thought it was pretty good.
Pause?
Meanwhile, DRM-free Doom (2016) is here, it also runs quite good >>> https://www.gog.com/en/game/doom_2016
with good music too
Urge to pirate, rising…
Necessity*
Or you could always just not play the game? Is that not an option?
But I’m already doing that. I want to do my part to dissuade bad software practices.
Who am I kidding I’m just going to keep working through the Cacowards forever.
I’ve downloaded software that I had paid for, simply because of the bullshit involved with DRM, licence unlocking, etc.
If the user experience of a paid software or service is inferior to a pirated version, then the developers are doing something wrong.
Same. At a minimum, I remember having to d/l no-CD cracks to get around the annoying and totally unnecessary disc DRM (that required you to insert the disc, just to prove you had it).
While the CD checks are absolutely annoying, nothing, and I mean nothing, was more inconvenient than having to go to a certain page and a certain line and a certain word in the manual to unlock a program you paid for. Fucking infuriating.
Shuddderr. I remember the first time I saw a game do that, I thought oh what a fun little game I guess it’s to get me to use the manual… like some kind of ARG, but when I realized the real purpose all the joy was sucked out of it.
Why though?
Read the article?
Gonna be honest, if Dark Ages represents the future of Doom: Doom died with Eternal. I’ve played probably 75% of the game and it’s enough to turn me off of every future title.
Edit: Bizarre fucking takes in this thread. How many of you that liked DA played on controller?
Final edit: liking Dark Ages and disliking Eternal is like preferring lunchables to a NYC slice.
doom past doom 2 never felt like doom anyhow.
Ultimate Doom which was doom2 with harder levels was great fun as well, but yeah, doom2.exe was peak.
Hard disagree. Doom Eternal was a rhythm game disguised as an FPS and I hated it. It’s crazy to me how widely acclaimed it was even over Doom 2016, which I thought was amazing. I’m glad they shifted back towards a more grounded FPS style that doesn’t force you to juggle your entire weapon arsenal nonstop the entire game.
Is Dark Ages really more grounded? What the hell does that mean here?
I had issues with Eternal demanding I use the weapons the way the devs intended, but when I saw parrying was a central part in Dark Ages, it was an easy decision to wait. Icon of Sin was peak because it was chaos management. I managed the Marauders, but just couldn’t be assed to beat the Dark Lord.
Good thing the indie scene is making their own Doom likes.
If Doom Eternal is a rhythm game, what does that make Metal: Hellsinger aka “Doom but as a rhythm game”?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1061910/Metal_Hellsinger/
(really great game btw)
Yeah I called it Doom Doom Revolution.
Still cool tho
Rhythm games are consistent every time.
Pressing buttons sequentially does not a rhythm game make. By your, incorrect, definition — fuckin WoW is a rhythm game.
Dude, relax the confrontation mode, it’s not Reddit
No, I will make sure everyone understands that the game they subjectively like is objectively bad. I refuse to back down when people are making very clearly outlandish statements.
Edit: prove that it’s a rhythm game without using sequential button presses as a metric.
A rhythm game?
Who did you get that from? Doom Eternal is in no way a rhythm game, weapon swapping was no different from 2016 to DE. The only enemy that ‘requires’ it is the marauder and god forbid you need to switch between two weapons.
No, better to strip everything that made Doom good - down to the fucking double jump. Bad joke.
You’re so wrong it’s almost like the version you played came from another reality.
Guns and ammo all loop back on eachother forcing you to use everything you have to keep shooting. You can’t stick to one gun for more than a few shots lmao. Either you’re larping and you didn’t get past muraurder and you’re just spitting a youtuber take.
guns and ammo all loop back on each other
First off, it’s a first person shooter. What you’ve said is literally how first person shooters work. Not to mention: if you’re suggesting that I’m larping while trying to suggest you don’t have nigh infinite ammo for every encounter in eternal… idk, I’m gonna laugh at you with my other friends who love doom.
Second, are you suggesting that you like the fact that you only need to use one out of… how many, 16 weapons?
Ewww I don’t like the fact that this game… makes me play it and doesn’t just let me autopilot through everything.
Yes I’m sure that Dark Ages has appeal to kids and old people. I am neither.
Infinite ammo? Sure! Chainsaw a guy, more ammo!
You wanted to keep shooting? Sorry, there’s no more ammo left for what you’ve unlocked, time to punch the chainsaw clock.
Out of chainsaw? Oh no! Guess you’re stuck with the two guns you hate.
Your comment speaks like it was played below Easy mode. Some of us actually like the demons to hurt us.
Riight
This will be a very amusing conversation with my friends. Cope harder, dark ages is shit.
Edit: by the way, it takes 20 seconds to charge one pip of the chainsaw. If you’ve somehow used all of your resources in 20 seconds and the thing isn’t dead; you’re just bad. Not to mention infinitely spawning fodder for ammo.
Could you elaborate on the „rythm game“ part?
I get that eternal was way more saturated and faster, but Rythm?
Have someone that’s even just moderately good at Eternal and then watch their keyboard strokes. It’s a combo-centric game, where you’re constantly juggling weapons and jumping to and fro, and eventually it slides into a “flow.” It’s not literally a rhythm game, but it actually kind of is once you hit that flow. I don’t know how to explain it beyond that; but, it’s not a hot take in the least, as even huge fans of it have agreed with the sentiment.
I played it for just a couple of hours and I understood why you were saying that. It was either dance around like an idiot or make no progress. I didn’t like it and stopped playing it.
yeah i love doom eternal and you’re completely right here. i think it’s definitely more noticeable at higher difficulties, but the game absolutely demands a certain rhythm
I really enjoyed 2016, couldn’t get into Eternal though. I’m definitely going to hold off on this new one until it’s been out longer and goes on sale, unless it gets standing ovations. Then, if I don’t like it I haven’t lost much.
I believe it depends on the player’s personal playstyle. I’ve played Doom 3, Doom 2016, and Doom Eternal. Doom 3 is for fans of horror-focused FPS games, Doom 2016 offers action at a normal pace, and Doom Eternal feels like a high-speed dance.
I’ll try Dark Ages next year, but I think if they had added even more mechanics than the Eternal had, the game might be more like an RPG than an FPS.
I think they did bring back Doom RPG best phone game ever
Dark ages is a dumbed down version of doom 2016. That is the best way I can describe it.
And, I’m sorry - but doom 3 was just bad.
Doom 3 was not bad, it was a good game. But it was not Doom, only had the name.
Which makes it… a bad doom game. …
You will not revisionist history this game, there is nothing wrong with subjectively liking a bad game but the fact remains: doom 3 was bad.
a bad doom game
Thats what i said. Bad Doom game, but good game. BOTW for example is a great game, but not a good Zelda game.
BOTW was a good open world game, though - Doom 3 was a cheap attempt at plastering a survival horror skin onto the Doom IP. The level design was bad, the jump scares were cheap - the only thing it had going for it was that it was the first 3d doom.
Doom died with Ethernal. Dark Ages is just more of that decline.
The idea that anyone likes doom 2016 without liking dark ages despite dark ages being more of a gameplay successor to 2016 - genuinely fucking baffling.
What don’t you like about it?
Every single encounter is braindead. There are like 8 true demons. There are 3-4 weapons (the others are worthless), and literally never a reason to use any of them but the impaler and the BFC (which is functionally completely different than the BFG).
I have not used my brain for any of the encounters. I throw my shield to deal with checks notes 80% of the encounter, spamming parry and impaler headshots to simply annihilate every boss or even remotely threatening enemy.
The game is fucking boring.
Edit: this isn’t even discussing the fact that it seems like every encounter is dEfEaT eNeMiEs To BrEaK sHiElD. Very dumbed down sequel to 2016.
I’m replaying 2016 right now and it’s the same. There are a handful of enemies, the minor demons are so weak they might as well all be the same. I never use the pistol or Gauss gun. Most weapons are functionally identical, I only switch when I’m out of ammo. When I run low on health, I do a glory kill. Rinse and repeat.
Eternal has much more variety in its combat, and being more frantic makes it more satisfying to chain kills.
Yeah, I definitely pissed off the geriatrics/children in this thread — Eternal was peak. 2016 was a good start. Dark Ages is a joke.
Actually, I’m seeing that it might just be a good controller shooter. Which, of course, means that it is fundamentally furthest from doom as a concept.
Bad game, went from ‘will buy every ID IP from now on’ to ‘YAAAARRRR’ after 12 chapters. Idk if I’m even going to finish it, I’m probably just gonna go for another Eternal UN run.
Didn’t fall for it, even when they whisper sweet little lies in my ear, I just say to myself, I quit gaming. I’m done. If I can’t own it, I ain’t playing it. And now I just joined the class war. Because you know, there is no war but the class war.
If I can’t own, I pwn.
If even not that, perhaps you can look into [wning
I can’t own it, I’m pirating it.
Only way for this to change is to vote with your (virtual) feet and wallet and “cancel” games that have DRM, in my opinion.
Good luck, there is DRM on almost every peace of software you buy. Most of it you never notice but it is there. I am guessing
Id~~Bethesda ~~Microsoft went a little too hard on their DRM. We will probably have another Spore situation here and its becomes going to become the number one pirated game of 2025. Or maybe not, the last Doom game wasn’t that great and I am assuming this one is trash too.There are a lot of indie/open games that are DRM-free. I refuse to think all good games are the ones with DRM
One of Steam’s selling point to developers is that it has easy DRM tools for them to use. Bethesda probably added their own DRM on top of Steam’s. But no for profit company is going to let you pirate software they spent thousands or millions to developed.
GoG has DRM-free games: https://www.gog.com/en/about_gog
Gog also doesn’t have nearly as many games.
Yes, and I don’t know what you are trying to say.
Oh no?
Shows how much, most companied wont want to give you DRM free stuff.
Who knows, maybe they are gaining side-revenue, selling your memory scans.
With EA and Spore - SecuROM was a straight up root kit. Basically malware. Pretty sure on the Sims 2 forums there were people who had their computers bricked. (Sims 2 was already messy enough to reinstall sometimes, EA did lots of weirdness with the registry.)
Sony did something similar with music CD’s. Their elaborate scheme to prevent you from ripping your CD’s more than three times or whatever created a vulnerability that was actively exploited by malware developers.
I remember when their DRM was just telling you that you’d go to HELL if you pirated it.
🥺 pwease money?
Was this before or after this: https://lemmy.world/post/29593011
Because I’m curious why Valve would have gone to so much trouble to make the game run on Linux just to ruin that.
Well the game runs well if you just launch it with only one Proton configuration and keep playing on that. The issue is changing the Proton version is recognized as multiple installations by the DRM and it locks you out after a couple of tries.
This is what I didn’t understand. Thank you for explaining.
you aren’t buying doom because it has denuvo. im not buying doom because i am boycotting microsoft products. we are probably a little similar
Also it’s $80 fucking dollars for the base edition. Everyone complaining about Nintendo game pricing but Doom gets a pass apparently.
Seeing this pains me, especially considering Id Software’s history with Linux. Prior to being bought by Bethesda, most of Id’s games had official native Linux ports. Even Doom 3 had a native Linux port, it doesn’t seem to work anymore but there are source ports like Dhewm3 available for it.
It wouldn’t astonish me if this were a semi-deliberate act by microsoft. While they’re trying very hard to expand to every platform, non-windows pcs seem to be the exception. Linux and OSX have the game gamepass support as your phone.
This is what happens when bean counters make the decisions. Linux is only 4% of market share so I am sure the cost of supporting Linux users was not worth it.
so I am sure the cost of supporting Linux users was not worth it.
What’s so fucking annoying about these DRM issues is that basically all of the AntiCheat and DRM we have WORK ON LINUX IF YOU ENABLE ONE FUCKING SETTING
Easy AntiCheat for example is quite literally a checkbox at some point of compiling or whatever, I’ve seen someone do it!
It never is just a checkbox though. You have to test the result and with Linux you have to test dozens of distros. For a fraction of users. If Linux crowd wants to be taken seriously, they should settle on a single distro for everything.
You have to test the result and with Linux you have to test dozens of distros
Lol
Shows you how little they value Linux games
All this drm nonsense ever does is punishes the paying customers and maybe delays cracked version by a few days, but fucking pencil pushers still put it into everything.
well cheaters sure do ruin online games…
That’s anticheat, not drm
i know
maybe delays cracked version by a few days
Denuvo has not been cracked since 2023. The only pirated copies of Doom Eternal were using a leaked denuvo-free build until Bethesda removed denuvo entirely 3 years after release, and unfortunately they didn’t leak a denuvo-free build this time, so you are probably going to have to wait a couple of years or so.
Man, they’re taking the “dark ages” part seriously.
