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it’s giving Zoë Roth
More burnt plantations please! We can put them out with confederate tears.
Hear hear, I will drink to that yes sir!
too late I drunked em’ all 😔
The lead in the paint and who tf knows what else (eg covered up arsenic paint or wallpaper) is in that smoke. Seriously avoid breathing in smoke from home fires, it has unfathomably deadly stuff in it
Generally speaking it’s best to avoid inhaling any smoke be it from a fire or even a cigarette.
Dude a place that old? Prolly has everything in it. Wouldn’t surprise me if a renovation in the 50s gave it some cadmium.
Beautiful building, awful history.
Waste of water trying to put it out, unless of course it was endangering nearby structures
Aside from nearby structures, generally you don’t want fire releasing toxins in the atmosphere,even were it just wood. Likely the are plastics, bad paints,and multiple other things we wouldn’t want just burnt willy nilly. Not that I’m against the destruction of the place; fuck that place.
Look at their faces! They know fate took its time granting this justice hundreds of years later … a slow burn.
That’s lowkey awesome
Just a side note, just because the United States fought a war that most people think it was about slavery. It was not. The North profited off of slavery. This was all to consolidate power and build up the federal government, which nowadays is constantly overreaching into our lives. Also, it is very concerning given the divisive climate in our country and the accelerating powers of the executive branch with the erosion of checks and balances that possibly we are on the verge of another Civil War. It could be thought that given the rate of incarceration, we just don’t see the human suffering like we did back then. Maybe nothing’s really changed. And maybe white people, the poor whites are all a part of this system too. I mean, look around America. What do we have, but cheeseburger stands. And five lane highways going through our neighborhoods with monster trucks running over kids. I mean, in a very short period of time, I’ve had three incidents where I have been around firearms that put me in danger. Slavery was an inefficient, outdated system of Managing Society. The same powers that justified slavery are the same powers both left and right that run the country in the United States. Have y’all heard of a Dixie Democrat? For there is no war but the class war. I am a cracker, but there are black people that have the same opinion as me. And I get a lot of my theories based upon their opinions. No war but the class war libturds
The rest of your comment is just arguing against points no one made.
You and others try desperately to bend and twist history to be something different than it was. It’s pretty simple: the Civil War started because the South seceded, and the North said “No.”
So the question is only why the South seceded. And I guess we can never know for certain, because it’s not like we can get a prioritized list of reasons for secession from each state that seceded OH WAIT YES WE CAN.
Each state listed their causes for secession, and primary amongst their concerns was slavery, whether is was concern for Northerners eventually getting rid of slavery, or upset that slaves escaping to the North were not being returned, or even that some Northern states were abolishing slavery within their states.
Yes, some Northern states still benefitted from slavery at the time, and yes, Lincoln was prepared to grant slavery in perpetuity to the slave-holding states, so it’s clear that the Northern states were not fighting to end slavery. However, that doesn’t change the main two things that led to the Civil War:
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The Southern states seceded to preserve slavery.
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The Northern states said “No.”
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hurr durr racism doesn’t exist y’all
Opinions promptly ignored.
those smiles
those smiles make me smile
I didn’t realise slavery continued in the US until so recently, mid 1800s? Yikes.
Even more shockingly, Mississippi only officially ratified the amendment to abolish slavery in… 1995.
And only officially submitted the paperwork concerning said ratification to the US Archives in… 2013.
No rush, guys. No rush.
Michael Moore had a TV show for a season. One part of one episode was dedicated to this as it was happening. Rusty Cundeiff, the writer and star of “Fear of a Black Hat”, hosts the bit. It’s worth 6-7 minutes.
More like mid-1900s.
And yes, that’s talking about the the last chattal slave not being freed until 1942, not the same points others are making about prison slavery.
They still have it, it’s just called prison labour now.
don’t worry, maga white supremacist snowflakes are in the process of rewriting that history to say the slaves “wanted” to be here, because of “opportunities” they didn’t have in the home they “voluntarily” left to be here. so, they weren’t “slaves,” but “immigrant workers”
Like the opportunity of not being shot
“It’s just like a working VISA!”
Don’t forget that they were gaining valuable skills to better themselves.
ITS STILL here, at least in very wasp areas, especially in country/golf clubs they still have hordes of African immigrants as “servers”, one english prof told me one time he dated a woman who im guessing is wealthy because they were eating at this country club, and all the severs there were African immigrants/migrants. and yes the people there that were in “high society were all white”
I understand what you are trying to say but isn’t it downplaying slavery (especially the racist slavery in this case) when equating it to seemingly racist hiring practices of country clubs? I would agree with you that it seems to be a romanization of the racist slavery. But slavery and a job is very different. The racism might be the same at its core but working in a job and working in slavery is very very different.
I am not defending the clubs. I just think slavery is a word that shouldn’t be deluded as it should be understood as the horror that it is.
If you think I am wrong, please let me know. Maybe my take is stupid.
Chattel slavery. Penal Slavery is still legal and targets mostly racial minorities.
It’s super important to really understand how fucked penal slavery and convict leasing is. When you think of American slavery you think of people working in a field and that it stopped with the civil war. It absolutely didn’t. They forced prisoners to work the fields after that.
California of all states voting to keep prison slavery legal in 2024 is how I know deep down inside we are truly well good and fucked.
probably need all those prisons to work for next to none to fight fires, or do govt work that nobody wants to work.
It’s still around.
The amendment to USA’s constitution that “banned” slavery did so EXCEPT as punishment for a crime.
USA also has astoundingly high incarceration rates per capita. Coincidence?
Yeah, fuck the south. Enjoy, ladies.
Hell ya let that thing burn! So happy for the people and the country. They should be proud of themselves.
Ok now that y’all read thus far. Auschwitz, Alcatraz and a myriad insane asylums not burner down for very good reasons. But an old slave plantation and we’re all smiles…
That plantation, Nottoway, explicitly presented itself as romantic. When I visited, they had an exhibit about how kindly the old master was, because he gave the slave children candy at Christmas.
It’s a place for rich white people to have weddings at, while being served by underpaid black people who are probably descendants of the people held there. They sold cotton in the gift shop - it was a sugarcane plantation. That’s something you do on fucking purpose.
If you want a place that understands that it is Americans Auschwitz - Whitney Plantation. Amazing place that everyone in the American south should visit.
You can tell what their priorities are because the History section of their webpage had nothing in it but the age of the trees on the property.
Yes - the oak trees were a big deal. Touring the gardens was part of the house tour.
They really try to make one of the daughters of the house a sort of princess/Southern Belle. The woman at the gift shop really encouraged me to pick this up, when we started talking about Gone With the Wind.
I’ll have to flip through the ephemera collection to find some of the other “fun” things. Also got a coffee table book somewhere.
Because goyim aren’t having weddings at auschwitz. If the plantations were treated as relics of antebellum brutality we wouldn’t celebrate their incineration, but instead they’re romanticized.
If the German government turned Auschwitz into a hotel and resort for people to throw parties and get married and ignore the atrocities that happened there, I’d be in favor of burning it down
Alcatraz
Considering that this administration is talking about reopening Alcatraz, uh… yeah, probably would have been better for everyone if it burned down.
Missed one
they really could have parked that tower-ladder in a better spot.
Yeah, like back in the garage.
exactly! :)
This is so incredibly stupid. We might aswell cripple most of the food production and burn down entire cities since most of the America and farms used to have some form of slavery or racism. Was that building still used for slavery, or did they just attack innoncent people and damaged their own food supply + economy? Like… why? What is one good thing you accomplished while causing 5 bad things?
EDIT: Note that I’m not from US so might be missing more context, but where I live, we usually don’t burn down historic buildings or museums because they host bad history. In fact, they’re protected by law as a culturally significant objects so others could learn.
Sorry man you don’t know shit
Good and well thought out argument, your comment definitely made me support burnings of historical places. I had to check if Im on reddit
If it was a museum about the horrors of slavery you’d have a point, the problem is this was a resort. They were still literally profiting off of slavery…
Wait till you learn about half of the hotel resort histories. Many of them use castles and palaces that were just as mean towards slaves.
Transforming something with bad history into a hotel or resort is something that happens all the time, everywhere.
I mean, there is literally haunted hotels tourism, and those buildings have commonly seen some really dark stuff.
In my country, there is a prison hotel where I can spend a night in a building where my kind used to be… well, it’s history, so people like visiting those places, including me.
Should we burn them all?
IDK maybe? Are the people and political structures that committed those horrors still in power?
What? No, lol. I mean, modern slavery is a thing, but it’s not really a race thing anymore, neither it’s done by the government, but human trafficking and exploitation in general by criminal groups.
It’s absolutely done by the government via prison labor and it’s absolutely still a race thing.
https://www.epi.org/publication/rooted-racism-prison-labor/
Now this photo is culturally significant! 🤗
This building had to be destroyed for the photo to exist and become culturally significant, just as the lives and culture of the planter’s slaves had to be destroyed for the building to exist and become culturally significant. Poetic, isn’t it?
It kinda is, yeah
Its as if auswitch administrative building was preserved in its peak state, had all its history scrubbed and added an option to host weddings with era approperiate costumes since the people weren’t actually gassed there.
It wasn’t a museom, it was whitewashing slavery.
And besides this is america. There are business signs in europe older than that building.
Using historical objects where peasants were banned from, to now allowing those that were banned to explore and utilize said objects freely? The horror. What do you think happens in every historical castle around the world? Should Chinese burn down forbidden city? The building isn’t even owned by the same family anymore, but some attorney and was added to historical buildings registry. The owner already said he hopes to rebuild it as it was both a reminder of brutal history of chattel slavery and economical drive (tourism) to the region.
Good job fighting the history, you really showed them, I’m sure the people in graves feel very insulted.
Ok. Really happy for you. Or sorry that it happened.
Are you under the impression that the girls in the photo burned down the plantation, or are you unaware of the history of such buildings in this nation, what they symbolize, and why the descendants of those brutalized in the shadow of those white pillars might be happy to see it burned down?
Nobody went and burned down the plantation because of its history. (Unless this turns out to be arson, which I would find entirely justifiable.)
The plantation burned down, and some folks are rightly rejoicing in the destruction of a nexus of brutality and harm.
If rich young descendants of nazis were getting married in auschwitz on the regular, I think that wouldn’t sit well with some folks, so I’m certainly not going to shed any tears about all the rich young white women who will have to find a better place to serve as the backdrop of their weddings.
Or is that that you don’t know what “early” means in this context? It would have been even more satisfying if it had waited a couple of weeks to burn down.
Note that I’m not from US so might be missing more context
This was a great film, and might lend some needed perspective.
I mean, if millions of people were killed as part of genocide in that building, I’m sure no one would think of hosting events there, but you’re comparing two vastly different things. The abuse that happened in that building is awful, but stop comparing it to genocide you goofball
EDIT: And no, I never said the girls themselves burned it and then took a selfie of the crime lol. I’m talking about people who do not see the problem with burning down historical places and are expressing their will to do it or support towards it.
The abuse that happened in that building is awful, but stop comparing it to genocide you goofball
Yeah, you clearly lack context and understanding (or maybe just empathy for) the brutality and scope of american slavery, and I’ve tried about as much as I am willing to to help you understand. The fact that it was less, uh, concentrated to specific sites makes it no less horrific, and you seem to have some huge misconceptions regarding its scope. Good day to you.
As a german i am rather sure there are enough nutjobs that would like to marry in a historic concentration camp in ss uniforms
Why do so many people talk like this post is about whether or not you should burn these down or not? Or how they should be maintained?
Girls saw the burning plantation and took a selfie for the symbolic value of it. I don’t see them argue that people should destroy the historical evidence, or anything. They just took a strong symbolic Image and if you don’t like the symbolism in it, you are a weirdo.
Can we just appreciate their picture? Think about its symbolism?
And maybe then we can have the discussion about what to do with these things. People with no knowledge could start with listening. And if needed, they can add their perspective afterwards.
It’s like a mixture of Dada,Ephemerala and juxtaposition. Chef kiss. like these covert fascist think we want to erase history motherfucker I want to know where you are we just celebrate when idols are torn down.
