• @DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    …how hard is it to comprehend that a majority of men in swing states couldn’t vote for a woman of color?..

    NC went for a blue governor but went for trump. If the elections were rigged surely NC would have been straight red.

    This downplays the state of our country and amount of stupid ones who voted for Biden but couldn’t for Kamala. There was no conspiracy. A couple of days before the election, CNN interviewed black men who in Georgia who voted for Biden previously and I knew she was cooked when they were like “nah man I don’t know woman get emotional” and “the oval office is a mans job” “I don’t know if she can handle foreign policy” t

    Basically men who couldn’t hold their fucking nose and set aside their machismo bullshit for the sake of everyone else and voted for the man. And I’m sure there were millions of them who felt this same way. These “conspiracy’s” overhadow the blatant misogyny that is obviously rampant in this country.

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/30/politics/video/kamala-harris-georgia-black-men-voters-young-pkg-tsr-digvid

    Oh and Gen X and Millennials who stayed the fuck home

    • @Ferrous@lemmy.ml
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      32 months ago

      This is a liberal pitfall: attempting to explain fascism rising because of identity politics.

  • Phoenixz
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    122 months ago

    Haven’t seen any news about any of this

    If any of this is remotely true then you’ll have sources. If you don’t have sources then you’re just playing the same game as Cheeto, don’t be a cheeto

    • @HasturInYellow@lemmy.world
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      The burned ballot boxes are absolutely real, the bomb threats, the purged votes are both real. I’m not certain of the other stuff but I’ve heard it before

      • Phoenixz
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        Okay, so, sources? Anyone? Because I haven’t seen it anywhere ans that’s the kind of thing that you’d think would be news worthy

  • heyWhatsay
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    82 months ago

    •Trump always accuses others of crime, before or while doing the crime himself. He accused Biden of stealing the election

  • @uberfreeza@lemmy.world
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    232 months ago

    Writing down conspiracies like these makes you sound exactly like the guy you’re saying you hate. Democrats lost. It happens. But now going around talking about how it was rigged? It removes credibility.

    • No no, it was the leftists! The solution is to pin absolutely all of the blame on anyone who ever said anything critical of Harris and/or Biden! Then we just have to run the exact same play in three years and we’re bound to win.

  • @Eheran@lemmy.world
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    No idea if any of this is true and if, how much impact it actually had. But we are well past that point, you really voted a felon, tons of people still(!!!) love him. Deal with him now, for the sake of everyone.

  • @Bristingr@lemm.ee
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    No, not really. Americans have a majority of their voting population that are racists, sexists, etc. If you didn’t vote at all (and could), you’re just as much to blame as the one voting for Trump.

    • @Gowron_Howard@lemm.ee
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      72 months ago

      It wouldn’t matter if a document detailing the entire process, who was involved, and valid proof surfaced. Nothing would happen. Hell he could call a press conference and spell it out on national Television and not a damn thing would come of it.

    • @spongebue@lemmy.world
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      God dammit, please put this in context because it’s so damn easy to and then it shoots down the argument and makes whoever is saying it look bad.

      He was talking about the 2028 Olympics (in Los Angeles) and how that was in the works in his first term. At the time, he said he wouldn’t be president for that because he’d be done in 2024. But then

      “They [the Democrats/left/deep whatever] rigged the 2020 election, and now I’m president again [in 2025-2029].”

      There is plenty wrong with Trump and what he said there. But the takeaway is not that he rigged 2024 to be president today.

      • skulblaka
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        Ok. How about where he admitted to sending Elon Musk up to Pennsylvania to rig the voting machines?

        https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-musk-vote-counting-computers/

        This article states “However, there is no evidence he was saying that his win in Pennsylvania was due to Musk’s purported knowledge of vote-counting computers” but there is largely no evidence only because nobody investigated it, and obviously Snopes can’t just accuse the president of a crime without legal backing.

        I’ll let his own quote speak for itself.

        [Musk] journeyed to Pennsylvania where he spent like a month and a half campaigning for me in Pennsylvania, and he’s a popular guy, and he was very effective. And he knows those computers better than anybody, all those computers, those vote counting computers. And we ended up winning Pennsylvania like, in a landslide, so it was pretty good, it was pretty good. So, thank you to Elon.

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          Not as familiar with that one. But he didn’t explicitly say he sent him up there to rig the machines in his favor. Just that he knows the systems and was there. The meaning is left ambiguous. One could make a not-crazy argument that he meant Elon was keeping the machines from getting hacked.

          To be clear, Trump is a piece of shit, he lost 2020, and I feel dirty speaking up for him. But here’s the thing: if there was fraud, it needs to be settled in court. That was the case in 2020 when virtually every court ruling was against Trump, and it’s the case now when nobody has even bothered to bring it up (it’s not like there isn’t any overlap between “people who know what he said” and “people who would bring on a suit”). If we’re going to make these claims, they need to be damn solid - otherwise it just makes us look bad when there are PLENTY of solid things about Trump’s piece-of-shitness we could be bringing up instead.

  • @procrastitron@lemmy.world
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    Texas doesn’t have registered Democrats because you don’t specify a party affiliation when you register to vote in Texas.

    I’m not going to spot check the rest of the items, but this list is at least partially B.S. so the whole thing is suspect.

    Yes, the Republicans cheat and voter suppression is the only thing that keeps them in power, but spreading misinformation about that voter suppression makes it harder to fight, not easier.

    • @grue@lemmy.world
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      Considering that a few posts down from this one is this about Oklahoma changing education standards to push the 2020 election Big Lie, I’m starting to think having integrity is a losing strategy no matter how much we wish it were otherwise.

      • @takeda@lemm.ee
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        There is some evidence that tabulating machines were tempered with. I was wondering if calling a bomb threat wasn’t part of it.

        When alarm was called and everyone left the building someone could get in and switched software.

      • @procrastitron@lemmy.world
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        The bomb threats were real. I never said every item on the list was fake… it’s the list itself is B.S.

        Mixing real voter suppression techniques along with easily debunked fake ones makes the real ones more likely to be dismissed.

        That’s why I said these sorts of misinformation posts make it harder to fight back against voter suppression.

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          12 months ago

          it was also done by none other than russia, than these states decided to close thier polling after trump was in the lead too.

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        So one item wasn’t BS. And you haven’t provided evidence of even that much.

        EDIT: See how this goes? I asked for credible evidence and have been accused of calling the whole thing fake, several times.

          • @shalafi@lemmy.world
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            62 months ago

            Pretty weak sauce. Some threats were made. I’m sure they were! Can we get just a little more backing?

            This is Journalism 101: Where, When, Who, Why, How, etc. That link answers none of that.

            Were those threats made public? Taken seriously? Was there any real effects on the ground? I’m on here more than I need to be and didn’t see a thing that day, nothing that stuck in my mind. Wouldn’t you think this site would be blowing up with this news? Maybe I had my head completely up my ass on election day? And BTW, I’m in a highly contested state, so this should have been somewhat local news to me.

            Fuck it. Lemmy wants to believe memes, no questions asked, as usual. Some grainy FB text and y’all are all in. Kinda reminds me of another group.

            • @ExtantHuman@lemm.ee
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              The threats were all over the news ON ELECTION DAY. What rock were you hiding under that you think this is fake?

            • @NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world
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              Right, someone tells you, there were bomb threats in my district, and you counter with, nah, show me the evidence. Why even bother if you’re gonna act like that. Yo cane easily google this stuff and see people aren’t lying.

            • @kerntucky@infosec.pub
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              On Election Day in 2024, several U.S. polling places received bomb threats, many of which were later determined to be hoaxes. These threats disrupted voting in key battleground states, including Georgia, Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania.

              Bomb threats that U.S. officials linked to Russian email domains disrupted what was generally a smooth voting experience across America on Election Day.

              Let me guess, NPR is posting fake news?

    • @unmagical@lemmy.ml
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      Texas doesn’t have registered Democrats because you specify a party affiliation when you register to vote in Texas.

      How does “affiliating while registering” not equate to “registering as?”

      Texas did in fact purge voter rolls in the lead up to the election, though it was months, not days, prior, and I haven’t seen evidence of it being predominantly aimed at Democrats. However, the state does know what primary you voted in and can use that to formulate a “potential Democrat” list.

      • @procrastitron@lemmy.world
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        That was a mistake in my original post. I meant to say that you DON’T specify a political affiliation when you register.

        Thanks for catching that, I edited the original post to fix it.

      • @Ledericas@lemm.ee
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        12 months ago

        they know which counties leans democrats, thats how they target thier voter suppression methods there.

    • @timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works
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      32 months ago

      Pretty sure voter apathy is a bigger problem. Of course the former is a big one but you can’t explain away 90 million not voting as simply voter suppression.

      • @Ledericas@lemm.ee
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        12 months ago

        voter apathy(the ones that cant be bothered to vote or dint vote because they dont think its important) and LOW-Information voters.

  • @orcrist@lemm.ee
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    12 months ago

    A few of those bullet points make the classic blunder of US election conversation, ignoring the electoral college.

    For example, Democrats who realized they were not in a swing state and stayed home didn’t actually make anything worse. They were using their brains. Maybe they didn’t stay home, maybe they were actually going to their job and making money. So when you’re looking at total national turnout, it actually doesn’t tell you anything useful.

  • fox2263
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    502 months ago

    They went down without a fight and that’s what surprised me most. Not a single legal case or even someone complaining on tv. Just went away, backed into the hedge.

    • @interrobang@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      I’m pretty well convinced that all the ‘stop the steal’ shit in 2020 was to give us all media fatigue for when it actually happened in 2024.

      It worked -_-.

      • fox2263
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        72 months ago

        Wouldn’t surprise me one bit. It’s what they do, they come out beforehand and accuse the others of doing stuff, normalising the words and watering them down so that they’re used against them it just gets shrugged off.

      • @A_norny_mousse@feddit.org
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        I really don’t think it was planned that way, but it surely helped them. Remember: with Republican double standards, every accusation is a confession.

      • @Ledericas@lemm.ee
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        22 months ago

        and also to prevent democrats from calling it rigged, because now republicans can say “see dems are saying its rigged when we won as well” thats why the Ds dont want to investigate too. of course many in the DNC are complicit as well, theres no way they wernt aware of teh rigging days, weeks, hours ahead of the elections.

    • @aceshigh@lemmy.world
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      32 months ago

      Yup. I created a narrative that the d’s gave up because they believe that this would be the only way to get the r’s onboard with basic stuff like universal healthcare. Otherwise they’d riot like they did on 1/6. But… the d party hasn’t changed strategy and they’re a geriatric unit who refuses to step aside for the future of the nation. So now my narrative is that they’re unprepared and don’t care. They’ll benefit financially from this dictatorship and that’s all they care about anyway.