My first months on Lemmy were spent on Lemmy.world, which was the biggest instance at the time. I had no experience with Hexbear because .world had defederated that instance. I sometimes saw it being described as a “tankie” instance, but it was nothing specific.
After I moved to .zip, I came across [email protected], which seemed to be free from anything overtly political and reminded me of r/Gamingcirclejerk, so I subscribed to it and occasionally made comments related to gaming.
Today I made multiple comments to a post about an article on the STALKER game developers having removed the Soviet symbols and the Russian audio in the remastered edition of the game. I would argue that in the thread, there were no comments from me that could be construed by a reasonable person as defensive of Nazism, fascism, or even hinting at it. For example, in one of the comments, I linked a Ukrainian law that prohibits the use of Nazi symbols, though I highly advise looking through all my ten comments as to avoid any misunderstanding or false impressions.
Conversely, one comment posted by another user dismissed Holodomor as Nazi propaganda, which I reported, but a moderator of that community just ended up calling me out for that and taking no action, followed by them banning me.
The thread containing all of my untouched posts is still available via lemmy.zip. My comments are also available for viewing via my user page. They are not available on hexbear due to the ban.
That’s why we add all tankie instances to our block lists.
Yah, that’s why people call them tankies. Any criticism of the USSR, or even acknowledging why people criticize it, is a banable offense.
The term tankie get’s thrown around a lot, to the point of dilution, but the origin of it comes from western communist who defended the Soviet Union putting down the 1956 Hungarian revolution, notably using T-54/55 tanks. It later came to mean western communist that would ignore or downplay any criticism of the USSR, as “propaganda”. These days it could even be applied more broadly to “People who call them selves left wing or communists but who will defend the actions of any authoritarian regime so long as it is notionally in opposition to the US and it’s allies” IE people who defended Assad and Putin.
I think hexbear fits even a fairly narrow older definition. Which is why most major instances are defederated from them.
“People who call them selves left wing or communists but who will defend the actions of any authoritarian regime so long as it is notionally in opposition to the US and it’s allies”
I could never understand that. I mean I understand that for someone completely dissatisfied with the government in a Western country, it’s a lot easier to just switch sides and join a community of like-minded people with a large state-funded network of information behind it, but the morality of that is just beneath me. Besides, you won’t be completely alone even if you oppose or harshly criticize both the West and the likes of Russia or China.
Its very simple. Americans dont give a single flying fuck about eastern euros and consider them lesser humans, therefore being a nazi but with hammer and cicle instead of swastika is acceptable in america
A lot of people seem to believe “if you are for one thing I’m for then you must be perfect - anytime it is proved otherwise it was a small one time thing so I’ll ignore it.” It is really hard to admit someone you don’t like does do good things, or someone you like does bad things.
I mean, I think a big part of it is foreign influence efforts landing very strongly with dissenting groups in the US. Then forging influence networks using the extant distrust for the US’s government to dismiss nuance that would paint their patrons in a bad light.
Good thing the US world never spread propaganda and that you’re immune to propoganda yourself.
long as it is notionally in opposition to the US and it’s allies
Man, I know I’m preaching to the choir here, but Russia isn’t even opposed to the US, as long as the Christian white supremacist fascists are ruling things.
The sheer irony of people playing defense for a white supremacist fascist state and then accusing someone else of being a “fascist sympathizer”. Like dawg the call is coming from inside the house.
I think the current Russian leadership has this detached fantasy of what America’s far right are like, this idea that they’re homebody rural folks who just want to keep to them selves and that if they’re in charge the US will disengage it’s self from the rest of the world, leaving Russia to treat Eastern Europe as a playground for their imperialism.
But the thing is, it ignores the agency of the eastern Europe to oppose them, and it ignores the fact that the the US far right is fundamentally narcissistic and egomaniacal. Ultimately the far right of the US will stay engaged in eastern Europe because they will perceive Russia telling them to get out as an insult and a humiliation. The only way the far right would disengage would be if they could frame it as them “winning” and that framing would be perceived as an insult and humiliation to the Russian leadership, so they won’t allow it.
So they will come to genuinely hate each other. I don’t think this will lead to the US far right suddenly deciding they care deeply about the well being of eastern Europe, but they also aren’t going to disengage completely.
IE people who defended Assad
I don’t think y’all get to use that talking point anymore after 1500 people upvoted a .world post calling the only realistic alternative to Assad, “a known terrorist.”
Seems like most people on here hold the position that the US shouldn’t have even lifted sanctions on al-Sharaa, let alone given him weapons and supplies. And not wanting to give al-Sharaa weapons and supplies is what you’re describing here as “supporting Assad,” is it not?
Fun fact, two people, in opposition to each other, can both be assholes.
And you don’t have to like one to criticize the other.
Like how you can criticize the actions of both the USSR and the USA in the Cold War.
More importantly, you don’t have to defend one ass hole just because you like the other less.
The world ain’t fucking a dialectic.
Do not feed the sea lions.
Oh, ok, so tell me, what’s your vision for Syria, exactly? Have Turkey and Israel annex the whole thing? Or maybe create a power vacuum in ISIS’s backyard? Practically speaking, one of those two assholes was going to end up in power, and if they didn’t, the situation was going to be even worse.
Your argument would be a lot stronger if our side was the one calling for active support of one side. You’ve got it completely backwards. My alleged “support” for Assad was always just, “I don’t think either side is worth supporting, so we should leave them alone.” Which is, you know, the proper “null” position when looking at any conflict. But the “null” position of anti-tankies seems to be, “Whatever the news says.” So rather than neutrality being the zero point, it’s seen as “supporting” the opposing side. So much so that you don’t even seem to realize how much your argument is shooting yourself in the foot.
Your side, the side that labels us as “tankies” and “Assadists” and so on and so forth every time we advocate non-interventionism, is the side that “defends one asshole because you like the other less.” In virtually every foreign policy debate, it’s not between which of two sides should be supported, it’s between supporting one side or not supporting either. If you want to convince me to adopt a position of interventionism when both sides are flawed, then you need to argue the exact opposite of what you just said.
It’s easy to get banned on that instance if you’re not sticking to the facts. They’re quite sensitive in this matter. Holodomor is Nazi propaganda tho.
You are literally a nazi sympathizer.
Last time I checked, to be classified as a “Nazi” you had to persecute other cultures and ethnicities , and engage in imperialistic, criminal invasions of your neighbours.
Sounds an awful lot like russia and its supporters to me!
The Holodomor is a well-documented historical fact, recognised by numerous scholars and parliaments worldwide as a deliberate act of genocide against the Ukrainian people.
If you deny it just like that, guess who has just failed spectacularly at… “sticking to the facts”? 🤥
Hexbear is a septic tank of degenerates.
I’m certain it’s run by APT groups. It’s a front for Russian psyops, 100%.
Ukrainians have the same problem with neo-Nazis as other ex-Soviet countries.
Holodomor is a bit of a fuzzy matter, it’s picking a part of the more wide scale events relating to Ukraine and calling it genocide of Ukrainian people, while genocide involves intention to wipe out an ethnic group.
This was more of Stalin’s USSR treating people as expendable and hunger as acceptable when he needed the resources to build heavy industries for the military. Most of the grain producing areas of the USSR were in Ukraine and south of Russia, which is also where most of the victims were, because grain was taken by force according to planned norm and to fake reports (as it happens in such systems, administrators overreporting gains and underreporting losses).
So I somewhat feel strange when people talk of it like genocide example, but people arguing against that are usually worse, so let it be.
Anyway, the point of this comment was - those people don’t even think of such things, they act purely on vibes. Most of Soviet propaganda was intended for people literate in the first-second generation, it relied on vibes even more than, say, Nazi German propaganda or Western propaganda of that time and of our time. That allows it to work on people very far from Soviet reality or knowledge of USSR’s history. (Of course, there were more intelligent levels of Soviet propaganda, they seem almost fully forgotten, include marxist dialectics, optimism of the future, dreams of a united peaceful planet of intelligent people using their lives for learning and creation, and no war and violence. Would be weird to expect tankies to be familiar with anything of that.)
You can’t reason with people acting on vibes. Your comments’ vibes for them are predefined, you don’t affect them.
“holodomor is not a real genocide because stalin descided to just fucking let that specific group of people to fucking die from the famine that was fabricated through incompetence or other methods”
people making excuses for commie war crimes are same pieces of shit like those who make excuses for nazi war crimes. Literally a palette swap.
The whole fucking point is that this wasn’t
that specific group of people
, it was much bigger in scale. Before thinking you’re being ironic or calling others names you might want to check such things.
they targeted specific groups of people often as well. Soviet union conducted genocide on a mass scale and its entire point was same as nazis: take over large parts of europe and replace their populations with russians. Unless you are explaining to ukranians that holodomor was okay and just an accident, bro, dont worry, I wasnt calling you names. And those who I did call names deserve it.
Commies are literally palette swapped nazis.
What do you mean by vibes exactly?
Music, art style, socrealism in portraits. Soviet architecture (the monumental and decorative kind). All that.
Yeah people who know literally nothing about communism other than russian propaganda and dont know anyone who lived under communism tend to like it.
Eh, well, I’m not a communist, actually I lean to the ancap side, but you also don’t know much about communism.
Living in the USSR wasn’t nice, but it was a kinda functioning state and society. Less evil than today’s Russia, and led by less evil people. And it was an honest attempt at building something good, that failed due to architectural faults and deadlocks eventually.
There’s a difference between intentional evil and evil by mistake. USSR’s the latter, today’s Russia’s the former.
Do yourself a favor and just block the entire instance from your profile settings. It’s irredeemable.
I mean, their name and description say it all. They appear to fuse two rather telling themes:
1- “Hex” : as in the fraudulent cryptocurrency scheme launched by Richard Heart (real name: Richard James Schueler), a notorious spammer and lawbreaker who ultimately faced the consequences of his actions.
2- A shameful endorsement of communist-style authoritarianism : essentially, a system that violates basic human rights while promoting a fully centralised, stagnant, and corrupt regime devoid of meaningful technological progress.
Frankly, if I got banned from a place like that, I’d wear it as a badge of honour, LoL ❗😂
Some people there post burning flags of other countries and want the total destruction of them… “Death to country XY” being upvoted is as normal there as using toothpaste… Mods seem to support that and ban people who criticize it.
If we had only those people on the planet, there would be nothing but war.
I think you’ve just made a completely unwarranted assumption about how often those people are brushing their teeth.
If we had only those people on the planet,
there would be nothing but war.we’d have a stateless, classless, moneyless society. If only.
Humans have a natural urge to rebel and question authority.
If your response to that is to be a authoritian dipshit and beat them into submission, you might be a facist and causing more harm than good.
See you’re pushing back against my point so you might be a fascist and causing more harm than good (this is how dumb your argument sounds. Update your definition of fascism)
After reviewing the thread, it looks like you reported a comment that was just contradicting you.
Yes, they assumed the community wasn’t ML and that anything genocide was grounds for comment removal
They themselves mentioned holodomor, no idea why though
Probably wouldn’t have been banned if they argued instead of reporting
…but tankies are fascists.
The “red” part of “red fascist” is a fairly important distinction so you don’t give libertarians free ammo in their rhetorical war to claim all fascists are socialists.
Oh, I one up them by self identifying as a socialist libertarian.
Before they know what hit them I’ve already explained why pretty much all constitutions need a rewrite to be understood by the common man, why energy companies and hospitals should be cooperatives with stock ownership divvied up to the local populace and why Montesquieu’s decentralization principle should apply to both law, capital and that it hasn’t gone far enough for military or police.
I destroy their tiny little minds and they don’t know what to do with themselves. Seize the means of capital, my brother. Usurp the system from the inside.
It will be a great day when the fediverse defederates from all the tankie instances.
Sounds about right for them. Sorry you had to go through that.
Well, now you know why sensible admins defederate from this trash. I’d suggest using an app that allows you to block instances from your side and ignore them.
You don’t need an app, it’s a native Lemmy feature.
Only since 0.19.1, many instances haven’t updated yet.
That’s a year and a half. If you’re on an instance that is that outdated, you should consider migrating.
how can i remove hexbear, grad and ml from my lemmy? i use boost app. thx
In the app you can mute posts from instances, to also get rid of the users you need to use the webpage as someone else mentioned.
To mute the instance in the boost app go on the profile icon, lower right, settings (upper right), “Filters & blocks”, there you should see the option “mute instances”, type in the instance handle and posts from that instance shouldn’t show up anymore.
You can block posts from different instancs, but you cannot block comments.
I’d recommend you switch to a server that blocks them, like lemmy.ca, sopuli.xyz or discuss.online or use a different software like piefed which supports proper blocking (piefed.social).
Log into the web version and block the instance. I just did this for lemmy.org yesterday and couldn’t find a way to do it through the app. I also use boost.
Oh, what did Lemmy.org do?
thanks. :)
Your Lemmy experience is about to get so much better.
It sounds like you finally learned about hexbear firsthand and don’t have to rely on others’ reports on their behavior.
