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Like Ging did to Wdwune in HxH
“From now, Willard, your name is Clark.”
I’m imagining a Reservoir Dogs scene playing out about the names.
Someone on another mission trip is Acolyte Paul! I assign the names, otherwise we’d have a bunch of Jews dead from an argument over who gets to be Acolyte John. So, you are Acolyte Pink!
Paul’s is the funniest because he only got one letter changed from “Saul,” even though he had used to be the biggest menace. He was a Christian hunter. Not like a professional one, more like McCarthyism but against Christians.
Saul was a perfect example of sin, and Jesus said, “Let’s switch that 'S with a P, and he’s all good. '”
(Please don’t hurt me, I’m joking)
Edit: Wait, my bad. Jesus changed his Roman name, “Paul” to “Saul,” (which was Paul’s, Jewish name), and after Jesus died, when Paul moved to Rome, he went by “Paul” again. That’s also right before he was imprisoned and executed and where he’d write parts of the N.T.
I had to double-check everything, lol. That felt like the mendala effect. It turned out he also spent some time in the Bahamas dreaming about some guy named Yosef.
A Christian hunter? Before Christianity existed? What?
I always thought the timeline was really confusing. That was the narrative we were taught in church. He persecuted early followers.
“According to the Acts, Paul lived as a Pharisee and participated in the persecution of early disciples of Jesus, possibly Hellenised diaspora Jews converted to Christianity,[12] in the area of Jerusalem, before his conversion.[note 1]”
I think you’re getting your timeline mixed up. Paul converted to Christianity some time after Jesus died and quickly became a leader in the early church due to his prolific letter writing, with letters on all aspects of Christian life. Many of these letters (and a few that modern scholars believe are from people pretending to be Paul) ended up getting included into the New Testament as scripture because they were so popular and influential on early Christianity. However, these did not invent Christianity. All of these letters are to Christian communities that already existed in Paul’s own time, and a few of them mention how he used to persecute Christians because he was a hardcore Jew and thought they were corrupting Judaism.
All of the apostles saw Jesus. That’s what makes them apostles. I think your timeline is off. Paul was there after the crucifixion and witnessed the ascension. He was also a disciple, which means he followed Jesus when he was alive. (Judas is the only disciple who’s not an apostle)
“Jesus called him “Saul, Saul”[38] in “the Hebrew tongue” in the Acts of the Apostles, when he had the vision which led to his conversion on the road to Damascus.[39]”
They met on a road.
After Jesus died, he traveled to Rome to spread the word, where he was beheaded. I believe that’s also where Peter died by inverted crucifixion.
At least that’s the biblical canon.
This is a level of stupidity and confident wrongness that I haven’t seen in some time. I would say this is a ChatGPT disaster but even ChatGPT isn’t this stupid. The incident on the road to Damascus was a description of a vision after Jesus’s death. Neither Acts, nor any of the gospels mention Paul in the ascension story, and none of Paul’s letters mention him knowing Jesus during his earthly life, witnessing the crucifixion, or the ascension.
Read Acts and tell me where Paul is before Chapter 8.
https://www.bible.com/bible/2016/ACT.1.NRSV
What about a search in the Bible for “Saul?” Hmmm nothing in Acts or the Gospels before Acts 8? Fascinating.
What about a search for “Paul?”
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=paul&resultspp=250&version=NRSVUE
I mean, ultimately you’re both basically arguing over Star Wars about whether Han shot first or second. Its several non-fictional people tied together with a fictional story to push an agenda of control.
I know, it’s like they don’t know the lore?
I my experience, Christians don’t know their own Bible and rarely, if ever, crack it open without someone telling them to, usually during a service.
No, it’s more like arguing whether Han Solo was in the prequels or not. Easily verifiable to anyone who isn’t mentally challenged
You do realize the historicity of Paul is pretty robust and the common consensus amongst historians is Jesus was also a real person. Him being a real person doesn’t mean he was a Messiah or had magical powers. But just deciding that anyone who was involved with the foundation of a religion didn’t exist means you are founding your views on feelings instead of actual information.
That is not what they are saying. It is perfectly valid to say that there are zero contemporary primary sources to confirm the existence of Jesus. Historians have come to the consensus that he most likely existed, on account of the influence stemming from later sources, but they all also know there are no contemporary sources, so that consensus is based on circumstantial evidence.
The historicity of Paul is not robust, it is definitely better sourced than Jesus, but that historicity stems from himself, and as we cannot take his supernatural religous experiences for fact (he can very well have believed them as fact, but we know that they cannot have happened in objective reality like that), he is not exactly the most reliable witness in the first place.
As I said, non-fictional people tied together with a fictional story.
Deciding that I said one thing, when simply looking up and seeing I didn’t say it means you are founding your reply on feelings instead of actual information.
Nah, for real. He was also king of the jews. He was also called Al.
Saul (Sha’ul) is a Jewish/Hebrew name. Paulos is a Greek name. Even until now, bilingual people who are of a minority culture (compared to where they’re living) often have two names, one in their their native (family) language and one in the local majority language, one official, the other unofficial.
This was not limited to Paul, even in that immediate timeline. Levi (Jewish name) was also called Levi (Greek name). There’s no reason to believe Paul “changed” his name sheet his conversion. He continued to go by Saul after he became a Christian. He went by his Jewish name among Jewish people, then his Greek name when he travelled across Rome and interacted with Greek-speakers.
Nah, it’s greek
Very common cult tactic to this day
Also a friend tactic. It’s just a nickname
I have friends of which I could not tell you their legal name at Gunpoint
friends of witch
is this witch… you?
Thanks, it is corrected
Your name is Gunpoint now.
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That’s one way to keep it a secret.
We have a Posh Mike at work.
I don’t even think he’s called Mike.
Learn from the best.
The names don’t have obvious meaning in English but they did in their original languages. Simon is a Hebrew name from the torah and means “he who hears”. Peter comes from Petros, the Greek translation of Cephas, the original Aramaic name Jesus gave him and means “rock”. So Jesus gave a Jewish guy with a Hebrew name an Aramaic (nick)name because Jesus saw him as the rock (foundation) of his church.
i was once taught by a guy named Pete Rock and he was the first to tell you that his name means Rock Rock lol
I am amazed that the name “Pierre” (also french for stone) litterally comes from the greek for “rock”
Rome and it’s consequences
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Matthew 16:18
BTW I know this one because of Angels & Demons.
You can see them too?
Now everything make sense. In spanish, “Peter” is “Pedro”, that sounds like “Piedra”, that means “Rock”
See also ‘petrify’ (make into rock) and ‘petroleum’ (rock fat)
The female for “Pedro” is “Petra”, what make it more obvious, and also “Petronila” is a woman name, that comes from “Petroleum”
I’d be fucking mad if my parents named me after petroleum
Late XX century in Mexico, were pretty common name your child based in their born date. So, there are so much woman called “Petronila” because were born in March 18th
I take it back, that’s a cool tradition
“The name’s Diesel now”
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omg, in french Peter is translated to Pierre which also means “rock”! i always assumed that was a coincidence
Yeah, his name was Simeon bar Jonah, Simon, son of Jonah, or by modern style, Simon Johnson. Then Jesus pops up and starts calling him the Rock… Simon the Rock Johnson. (also fun gravy, Dwayne means fishhook)
I thought Dwayne meant pipe?
Similarly Platos name means broad, which was because he was a wrestler and kept up his physique. It also spawned a joke I’m fond of.
Diogenes wanders into Platos academy and says “Broadly speaking-” To which Plato responds “Yes I was now shut up”
Is this the time Plato threw Diogenes off the top of Hell In A Cell and through the announcer’s table?
also couldn’t the term mean “jacked” basically? like Plato= Daddy Swole essentially
Fuck you for this acursed comment.
Don’t know why you got downvoted, because that is some very good information. Thanks.
Hmm, makes it more likely that Jesus never existed and the whole thing is made up by the church, imo. It’s always retrospective with names and meanings, especially if you name them “foundation”.
Jesus obviously existed. He wasn’t a god (he never claimed he was) but he obviously existed.
No, it’s not obvious at all. There’s no historic account of him aside of the bible. And yeah, the trinity thing, that was the church ~300 a.c.
There is historical account of him, just not from contemporary figures.
There are Roman historians who write of him, but they came years after.
It is generally accepted that the Christ figure is based on a historical figure however the story we are told now is much more tenuous as it is largely based on written works from folks who are retelling tales that may (or may not) have been known
Mind you we also have historical writings about Santa Claus
they don’t really talk of Jesus specifically though that’s the kicker.
If Jesus did miracles and had such an impact on the empire his name would be known his story would be better known.
The claim that Roman historians wrote about him is semi true they claim there are Christians and they have a Messiah but they never talk about what he did or anything. They mostly speak of the persecution of these people. So it makes a lot of things we think about Jesus unverified.
The only thing we know is Pontius Pilate under the rule of Tiberius allegedly killed their Messiah. That’s it.
The name Jesus, who he was or what he did is unverified and likely largely stolen. I’m pretty sure Gilgamesh was tied to being a carpenter or a son of a carpenter for instance
There are no contemporary records of Jesus.
Even of Pilate killing a guy named Jesus.
It all came later.
I’m simply saying there is a historical figure who fits the bill BUT the story as folks know it now starts as a retelling of a tale by people who came later.
So it starts with an untrustworthy narrator.
I’m not trying to say he existed one way or the other just that it’s more likely a guy did exist who loosely fits the bill and the story as we know it was able to grow and be built from there.
I’d bet the “real figure”, if I had to speculate, was more likely rejecting the theism of Judaism over trying to push another religion.
Nope. He’s just a man they considered their Messiah. The name Jesus isn’t recorded by any other source which is why he’s a questionable character. Somebody died, not sure if it was Jesus because as you bring up this happened and likely the story built up further. I mean allegedly Jesus was born in both Bethlehem but also he’s Jesus of Nazareth somehow? His story doesn’t track
I’d bet the “real figure”, if I had to speculate, was more likely rejecting the theism of Judaism over trying to push another religion.
He was absolutely. There are these groups called Mystery Cults they’re something between fraternal orders and religions kinda, all about secret rituals. It is likely things like the sacrament was made in response to these cults, possibly mocking them in some areas.
For insuance Jews were considered to practice evil magic, the Eucharist was probably Jesus literally mocking people thinking Jews eat flesh and drink blood it’s probable that he wasn’t speaking genuinely when he said eat my flesh drink my blood, he was probably joking.
Another reason to think he joked is that is the story we get that got Jesus in trouble, Palm Sunday, he walks into the city upon a donkey claiming he’s king of the Jews and son of God which was absolutely mocking the Roman Emperor at the time
Jesus was basically just an anti establishment punk who got killed by the state for saying they suck and it was so traumatic people still talk about it 2000 years later but likely many of the stories were condensed to express the Jewish experience in Rome at the time. I don’t believe he embraced as much spirituality as people believe he did.
Ron Swanson vibes
I guess the people who downvoted you didn’t feel these situations were comparable
The cool thing about being on an instance with downvotes disabled is I never have to worry about this sort of petty random downvoting stuff because I never see downvotes.
I always recommend this to people. It literally fixes lemmy. People are really quick to downvote here and it’s a serious negative aura even if you have thick skin
Yubaba vibes
Also every Hollywood agent with Jewish clients from 1900 until present day.
Jesus has so many things in common with Trump. It’s crazy.
Two thousand years from now, people will be reading the gospel of Little Marco Rubio, Lyin Ted Cruz, and RINO Lindsey Graham. Maybe they’ll just be known as “Little”, “Lyin”, and “Rino”. And everything Trump has done will be said to be a miracle.
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in the story of Jesus 47’s parallel is Caesar
So not in it at all and mentioned maybe 2-3 times as a historical figure?
Leader of the organization being resisted. Largely unnamed because the identity doesn’t matter, the organization being resisted does
I actually sometimes do that to people too :P
It worked on Muhammad Ali too
you tend to do that when you and your buddies are up to street crime
What’s the charge? Eating a meal? A succulent meal of loaves and fishes?
taking multiple roman soldiers’ equipment a mile down the road, destruction of money lender property, theft of grain
Not to mention destroying the local bread, fish, and wine economy.
The destruction of the money lenders property and the theft of grain were justified imo
as well as fucking with roman military logistics. i support all three of the things i listed
A: “Good job Tex.”
B: “My name is Sam sir, I’m from Wisconsin.”
A: “Nah, you’re Tex now.”
(This is my vague memory of a gag in an Atomic Robo comic)
Even in the Bible they people with deadnames.
