I’m what’s known as a chronic hopper. I’m always on the lookout for new software, especially when it comes to browsers and Linux distros, but I’m here to ask you about browsers specifically. I’m fairly sure I know most of them, but I want to really know why you run what you do. In return, I will give you my experiences with the browsers that I have tried and why I hopped from them if I did.
Don’t feel the need to read the list. I’ll be more than happy to just hear your answers!
- Firefox: One of the grand-daddy browsers. I honestly didn’t hop from it due to anything specific, but more that I’ve used it so much that I needed a change.
- Chrome: I used this very little. Just being on it made my skin crawl. However, I still keep it around in a container because some sites straight up tell you that you have to use it to access their dashboards or application forms. While that is now much less these days (as most things will now ask for Chrome or Firefox now), it still does happen, especially on dated government sites that get updated like… once a decade…
- Opera GX: Yup, I fell into the hype. I think I used this for all of a month before recognizing it as over-engineered and needlessly bloated. It pulls you in with gimmicks and pretty lights and that’s pretty much all it has. A browser that’s literally built on smoke and mirrors and pushy advertising.
- Brave: There’s been a lot of huff about Brave lately, but back when it launched and wasn’t very mainstream it was the smoothest and a relatively more secure browser than the competition. There was a time when nearly everyone ran Brave. The problem started when they began to opt you into gimmicks and extra things you didn’t need without your permission. That was a turnoff for me. I outed before things really went downhill. -Floorp: A random find from exploring Linux for the first time. I was running Pop!_OS and found it on the store. I’ve never experienced such a smooth Firefox fork before. It really is barebones, but has a lot of customization built in. Instead of the custom options piling on one another, most of them change how it works on a foundational level. The style of your UI and tabs, side tabs, fading URL bar buttons, and a lot more. At it’s core, Floorp is a stripped down and security first FF fork developed in Japan. I took the time to translate the TOS pages, and most of it is promising that there is no data collection. It’s fairly vetted and trusted from what I’ve researched.
- Vivaldi: Still one of my favorite browsers when I went back to Windows, but probably has the most bugs I’ve seen in any browser. It got better once they swapped to React portals, but Vivaldi (Windows version) would occasionally freeze my whole PC or else I’d BSOD. This was a combination of the browser’s stability and making my own custom CSS for it, but overall it frustrated me more than other browsers.
- Qutebrowser: Still one of my favorites, and a must-have for me even if its not my main browser. I was diving into the Vimium extension for Firefox, which in turn led me to Neovim, which led me to Qutebrowser. There’s a few main points as to why I don’t use it as my go-to. First, its not very good at squashing first-party ads. Even though you can combo custom ad block lists, Brave adblock, and python-adblock, it just can’t seem to get them all. Second, I rely on my history when browsing YouTube and if you want to get around ads, your best bet is to write a custom shortcut that opens links in MPV/VLC. There are Greasemonkey scripts that should increase ad speed to a fraction of a second and auto-skip, but none of them ever worked for me and most are ancient.
- Nyxt: My next logical step after Qutebrowser was Nyxt. However, I’ve never managed to figure out how to work it. I haven’t really done any extensive bug testing, but when it opens its just a blank window and there’s not much I could find for documentation on it. Part of me wonders if there’s something that only trusted people know that gets it working, the other part wonders if I’m just missing some sort of library or dependency. From here I went back to Floorp for a while. -Zen: I was very excited when I found this browser. Another Firefox fork, it aims to be much like Arc browser, but adds a lot more on top of that. However, in recent months I find they’ve become a little too ambitious. If you asked me two months ago, I would tell you that Zen felt just as smooth as Floorp, but these days its much, much laggier. The scrolling is choppy, the pages load slow. I use the same exact extensions on Zen as I do Floorp and the difference now is night and day. I’ve also tested this on fresh, no-extras no-extension installations and the results are the same. Zen tends to change things and instead of letting the user opt into the additions or changes, they force the changes in their updates. That type of development model just isn’t really for me. I don’t want to have to re-figure out how to use my browser every few days.
So there it is. I hop a LOT. Honorable mention is Ladybird and I’ve tested it a little. It is extremely alpha, being just a portal with the basics you need for browsing, but I’m amazed at what they’ve done so far and very excited for it’s release. For now I’ve returned to Floorp and am very happy with it. I’m very curious to know why you like what you do, whether its just because its what you’ve used for a long time or if there’s something that you can’t do without.
Also, please excuse me if this question has been asked before. I didn’t want to necro an old post and I want to be able to reply and ask more questions! I’ve seen many posts discussing a single browser, but I want a more general view. I’m very interested, because the Lemmy community often values their privacy and their rights, which is a major factor in choosing software for me.
Edit: I feel like I’m answering very quickly, but want you to know that I’m not a bot nor using AI. I type at 110wpm in Dvorak. Typing is a huge hobby of mine and would never use AI to do something I love to do for me. I’m set on getting to 200wpm (100 was my first goal). That being said, I can’t answer everyone, so I’m sorry if I missed your reply!
No one mentioned Floorp yet, so I guess it’s on me.
It’s Firefox, but with more customization options right out of the box. I also have an ungoogled Chromium on standby for those sites unwilling to work well with Firefox (and forks).
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Oh, it’s mentioned in the OP:
- Floorp: A random find from exploring Linux for the first time. I was running Pop!_OS and found it on the store. I’ve never experienced such a smooth Firefox fork before. It really is barebones, but has a lot of customization built in. Instead of the custom options piling on one another, most of them change how it works on a foundational level. The style of your UI and tabs, side tabs, fading URL bar buttons, and a lot more. At it’s core, Floorp is a stripped down and security first FF fork developed in Japan. I took the time to translate the TOS pages, and most of it is promising that there is no data collection. It’s fairly vetted and trusted from what I’ve researched.
I tried a bunch of Fireforks, and found bugs I couldn’t live with in all of them - until I tried Floorp. It was last on my list because the name and icon are ugly so I assumed it wouldn’t have as much polish as something like Waterfox. Turns out it’s got sensible defaults and works very well, with better performance than vanilla Firefox, so I’m happy.
Oh, the name and the icon are probably the only things I am actually displeased with in Floorp. I wanted to change the icon for my system too (or just use a more generic “firefox fork browser” logo for it to contrast with my ungoogled Chromium one–but I abandoned it after finding it troublesome (skill issue on my end).
But hey, beyond the icon and the iffy name, it fits my needs, so it stays.
Yeah, Floorp is my go-to right now. Its incredibly lightweight and has a lot of customization for how smooth it is. I am liking Librewolf though, just from how completely stripped down it is. There’s barely anything unneeded in the options, its crazy. I think I’ll still mainly use Floorp, though.
Same with Floorp. Was using Zen for a short time but the ui was buggy as shit.
Zen is still buggy, unfortunately. It was great when it was hot off the press, but they slowly pushed UI changes. They’d give you options to roll back the changes, but I would have preferred if they made the changes and gave you the option to opt into them.
I checked it out again the other day, and the newest update caused compact mode to disable every time I restarted the browser. Now I just use Floorp with in-line tabs activated. I love having one hybrid URL and tab bar, but I’ve never been a 100 tabs kind of guy so I have the room. I don’t save my previous tab sessions.
Oh hey. I just fixed some of the sluggish feeling of Zen. I thought about it overnight and had an idea. Turns out I was right. In about:config, Floorp has
mousewheel.default.delta_multiplier_y
set to 300. Zen only has it set to 200. Might be going back to Zen for a bit now, lol. I also disabled all mods and will be re-enabling them 1 by 1 to see if they had anything to add to the slow feeling.
I tried Zen for a while during the peak of its hype, and it’s fine. It’s too “Apple” for my taste though, with limited UI customization. It’s opinionated, and I quite like the overall look, but it just felt off to me. It’s nice to look at, but a bit off to use.
I actually had this trajectory: Vanilla Firefox -> (manually) hardened Firefox -> Librewolf -> Floorp
I wasn’t actually displeased with Librewolf, but I found it a bit sparse when it comes to customization. I am aware that I’m trading customization with security when I made the last jump, but given my opsec situation, I don’t think I am being careless with switching to Floorp, and it has some decent security defaults, so I stuck with it.
Everyone else’s usecases may vary and even Floorp with its customization options isn’t for everyone. That’s the beauty of Firefox and its forks, if you ask me. There’s likely something for everyone–and for some, Firefox might be it.
On laptop:
- Primary LibreWolf, as it does everything I need, and I don’t 100% trust Mozilla anymore after recent incidents so I wanted a non-Mozilla fork of Firefox
- Secondary Chromium, when something refuses to run on Firefox and derivatives
On phone:
- Primary FOSS Browser, I think it might be some guy’s passion project… It works so yeah
- Secondary Vanadium, basically GrapheneOS’ in-house Chromium fork. For when the primary browser doesn’t do the job, which happens more often because I have FOSS Browser set on blocking all JavaScript…
Thanks for mentioning FOSS Browser, this looks nice
I’ve tried a few of the FOSS branded apps on F-Droid from the same dev, I believe. I like FOSS Calendar. It’s just simple and does what I need. I don’t need syncing or anything fancy.
Anyone remember MyIE2? AKA Maxthon? Miss those early days.
Yeah, I remember mouse gestures with Maxthon being awesome.
Yes! You’re damn right. 👍
Forefox, also Chromium occasioanly of I am in a hurry and some asshat makes it difficult to use Firefox.
Playing with Zen.
My OS is Linux Mint
I use Firefox but I’m keeping my eye on Ladybird
Same.
But we all know [email protected] is the best browser. And if you use piefed, you can use it :)
Ladybird is the most exciting thing to happen to browsers. Madlads really doing it, building from the ground up. I have mad respect for them. I gotta see if they have a donation page and give them some support. I want this to work and blow everything else out of the water.
For sure! I only heard about it recently but it’s so exciting and they’ve already made so much progress. I’ll definitely be switching once it’s deemed to be in a releasable state.
Fiiirefoooxx
Over the last two and half years (since I quit Windows and Vivaldi and went FLOSS only), bouncing around between Firefox, Floorp, Zen, Firedragon and Falkon as my principal browser, while also checking out Pale Moon, Servo, Dillo, Netsurf, Agregore, Kristall. Also “special purpose browsers” like Station, Ferdium and FreeTube. (Is FreeTube a browser? I think it’s an Electron app, which is basically a Blink/Chromium browser, used to browse just one website in this case.)
Currently on my laptop:
- Fully-loaded Zen (multiple extensions and a couple of Zen mods) as my main browser
- Fairly minimal Firefox (just uBlock Origin and Privacy Badger) for streaming music (e.g Spotify without ads)
- Ferdium for email and IM
- FreeTube for YouTube (LibRedirect extension in Zen sends YT links to FreeTube automatically)
- Ungoogled Chromium as a backup in case some site just won’t work with a non-Blink browser. Haven’t used it in months.
Firefox because Ladybird isn’t ready yet.
Ironfox on mobile and qutebrowser on my computer.
I’ve been using Zen for about a month now and I’m very happy with it. I like the design and feel of it, and it’s actively being developed all the time. Don’t think I’ve had any significant bugs (except a few very minor ones) or issues whilst using it yet.
Ironfox on phone, Librewolf on computer.
LibreWolf and Iron Fox
It looks like IronFox is getting more recognition than I thought. I’m glad, because its a great android browser. Is it on F-Droid’s main repository yet? I remember having to add the IronFox repository manually.
Is it on F-Droid’s main repository yet?
Still not
Heavily modified vivaldi. Vertical tabs on the left side. Side panels with often used tools. Autohiding UI, pop-out links. I cannot live without native mouse gestures and the Vivaldi speed dial. Opera also offers it, but that browser is unfortunately a shell of what it was.
Zen browser as a semi backup.
I tried using zen as my main browser for a month, but I ended up going back to Vivaldi. It’s just so much better.
Brave. It blocks all the ads and syncs with my phone. That’s all I want. I like using Librewolf more (with uBlock Origin) but it doesnt sync with my phone so I can’t really use it as a daily driver
There’s many options for browsers that can sync with your phone. I used to love Brave until all the shifty moves they pulled. Installing paid propietary software without consent, switching the telemetry on without saying anything and claiming it was an accident…
And their ad block is like a leaking sieve compared to uBO/Ad-Nauseum. Not to mention useless when they’ve been known to put ads on the homescreen and in the browser itself. Then underneath all that you have Google lurking in the shadows, ready to take your data and sell you advertisements tailored to your interests.
I had had enough of both Brave and Reddit when my umpteenth Brave search was being advertised to me on Reddit.
Librewolf might not sync due to how pure and barebones it is, but you could check out Zen or Floorp or Firedragon. Any FF fork that lets you login with a Mozilla account will work. I never sync, myself, but from what I’ve seen you should be able to.
I do like the Brave browser itself, so I get it. But even plain old Firefox might be the lesser of two evils here. Just search up “brave browser drama” and check things out. It gets kind of nasty. The devs are not the most trustworthy people…
Sorry if this sounded pushy. I’m not trying to be. I got burned with Brave and it still stings a bit, lol.
Don’t worry, I get it. That’s partly why I commented here. Ive been kinda hoping someone would chime in and tell me about a browser that can block ads and sync with your phone without being, you know, chromium.
Firefox, since its an overall good browser. Added a custom user-script to it.
Vivaldi, for anything Google specific since its chromium base. Also in case something breaks in Firefox.
Like to keep my activities seperate. This is only for desktop.
I agree. I also like to separate all of my activities. Not just for privacy, but also for organization. Sometimes I overdo it… I have ton of unused apps and programs.