He is 100% right like always
I’m with the DNC on this one. Bernie is just talking crazy. Americans dont care about money.
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I blame on dnc. They should not exist. We already have republican party if we need to vote for a party that works for billionaires. Unless AOC or Bernie, this country is doomed.
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not I. One does not support the middle class enough but still does stuff like regulation and tries to improve healthcare, the environment, and other aspects of the country and the other tears it apart. One side is freindly with billionaires and the other is their whore.
Sure but to his point you and everyone else on here are in the minority. About 1/3rd vote Democrat consistently, and about 1/3rd vote Republican consistently. The remaining 3rd are the ones that flip flop between elections and unfortunately they’re the ones that actually determine the outcome (although in reality it’s more like 1/4th in each category with a final 4th that just doesn’t vote). Lastly for the pedants these are all very rough approximations of the numbers involved, for instance the real percentage that doesn’t vote is actually closer to 40%.
Both sides are the capitalists whores, one uses honey and the other vinegar to catch voters.
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There’s more than two parties the US
There are only two viable parties.
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I’m so sick of winning.
It’s because money wins races. Removing the $5k top donation killed America.
Allowing media to be monopolized might be a bigger issue
That didn’t help but that $5k applied to AT&T just as much as it did John Doe
I’ve been saying it for the past two US election cycles … the US is a one party state with two different organizations representing just one political party.
The Chinese have the Chinese Communist Party
Russia has a ruling class of Oligarchs
The US has the Republican/Democrat Party
All three operate in the same way
The Corporate Oligarchs are the common denominator between the GOP and Democrats. The Democrats, corporate beholden though they are, are preferable merely by not being fascists.
I think they have us stuck between the fire and the frying pan. Once in the frying pan, we are sooo glad not to be in the fire, and we get 4 more years of Dems, while the Republicans secretly march us closer to the cliff. Now their end game, Project 2025 is on fast track to actualization. The Dems make us lazy because we think they’ll help but they don’t. I feel like the Democrats hung us out to dry. I read in the New York Times, a Democrat suggested the best strategy for Trump was for the party to “roll over and play dead.” I translate that as, “the party doesn’t care.” Some party members like AOC show backbone, but the rest of them not so much.
Yes, we have one party here. But so does America. Except, with typical extravagance, they have two of them!
- Julius Nyerere, first Prime Minister / President of Tanzania
(Actual attribution of this quote is possibly in dispute, but I’ve seen it many times)
Any arguments they have are about which side should get the booty after shaking down the populace.
This is literally the attitude that allowed the Nazis to take over the German government.
They convinced people that the left and right coalitions that formed the Weimar government made it unstable, indecisive, and corrupt. That made people apathetic about supporting any party or vulnerable to the strong-man image the Nazis used to portray Hitler.
The common denominator to all these scenarios are the wealthy owner corporate class that discreetly shovel money towards the ones they want to win.
The common denominator is that the fascists sowed division so that there could be no unified opposition to them.
I mean the liberals did a pretty good job of sowing division by arming fascist paramilitaries, letting them assassinate socialist leaders with impunity, and running a conservative candidate. When liberals talk about unity, they mean u ifying with them, against the left.
Even if that were true, it all needs to be put aside to unify against the fascists. They pose an existential threat to democracy itself.
“I stand against fascism and want more rights for the common person.” “I am willing to aid fascists when it makes me money or helps win elections”
Yeah let’s unite with them, surely nothing bad will happen.
Nope, nope, nope. One is dismantling our government right now, stopping aid to the world, wanting to make GAZA into a resort, deporting 4 y.o. US citizens as well as many others, cutting medicaid, giving the wealthy more tax breaks and are generally racist af. The other is not doing any of those things.
The democrats excel at standing still, while the republicans always move right. They fit together like corporate peanut butter and jelly.
Rachet theory. R moves one direction; D refuses to move in the other.
It’s not entirely false, but it’s also not the whole story. Voting D is better than staying home. It might not be better than direct action – but given the size of the voting window, it’s probably not completely eclipsed by your activism. (If it is, watch out for the FBI and keep working for a better world, comrade.)
Of course the Democratic Party wants to turn Gaza into a resort. Where have you been?
I love how a bunch of people who couldn’t point to Gaza in a map are making that their sole political concern.
The gaza otcomes broadly indicative of how the party functions.
Beyond that, do you even realize that the gaza issue has almost single handedly destroyed the concept of the western world order?
Both parties have had the same policy on Gaza for decades, so I don’t see the relevance. It was just easier to ignore a slow genocide than a fast one.
Well if we are going to get a better outcome we’ll have to demand it. They dont just need donor money to win, they need votes.
The other is not doing any of those things.
stopping aid to the world, wanting to make GAZA into a resort, deporting 4 y.o. US citizens as well as many others
Respectfully, that may be your perception of the Biden administration but its mostly not true. Biden arguably did not cut medicaid or reduce taxes for the wealthy, but thats where your perceptions start running into facts that show differently than you’d think. This is also part of why everyone is mad at the DNC.
- stopping aid to the world: Biden stopped funding UNRWA in Jan 2024 after Israel accused the UN of being a Hamas organization and cited 12 names. They never provided any proof. Trump did go on to cut USAID funding. UNRWA operated in Jordan, Syria, Labanon, west jerusalem, gaza and the west bank.
Furthermore, Bidens proposed 2025 budget would have made cuts to aid globally, including cuts to AIDS relief. It also proposed cuts to social security.
https://www.google.com/search?rls=en&q=how+much+aid+funding+did+biden+cut&oe=UTF-8
- wanting to make GAZA into a resort: Gaza was leveled under Bidens watch, and redevelopment plans were also underway on his watch. Trumps clownery was just a continuation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68650815
“Jewish settlers set their sights on Gaza beachfront” from Mar 12 2024, on Bidens watch.
They sold that gaza land off in real estate gatherings in New York, New Jersey and other US cities, which was blatently illegal and all done on Bidens watch, with him not lifting a finger to stop it.
- deporting 4 y.o. US citizens as well as many others “No Fair Day: Damning New Report Reveals the Biden Administration’s Unlawful Treatment of Children in Immigration Courts” from Dec 14, 2023.
"Children make up a significant number of those facing removal proceedings. In the first five months of Fiscal Year 2022, almost one third of all new cases in immigration court involved children, including tens of thousands of children under the age of five. "
In short, Biden was a bad democrat, and a bad human being. Always has been, but people saw what they wanted and respected the D by his name.
“The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.” - Julius Nyerere
“ The United States effectively has a one-party system, the business party, with two factions, Republicans and Democrats.” - Noam Chomsky
People have been saying it for decades and decades, if not a century or more.
Thanks for that … now I have credible references to attribute this thought.
I knew it wasn’t smart enough to think this, it’s just haven’t read enough to know or see where others have said it before.
Don’t be so down on yourself, you can get to the same conclusion independently
But I do recommend reading Chomsky. Or at least watching some lengthy YouTube videos of him speaking
I do watch and listen to a lot of Chomsky … but the guy has so much content, you’d have to relive his entire life to hear everything he said and read everything he ever wrote. The man is amazing. I just wish he were a lot younger than he is.
It’s all just a form of “divide and conquer.” Their tactics are plain to see if you are looking for them.
I’d rather have a one party state under a communist party than a two party state under two capitalist parties. In both cases it’s immediately obvious who these parties serve, in China, it’s the people and society, in the U.S., it’s the billionaires and capitalist class.
Democrats got paid to lose plain and simple
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Totally going to codify Roe, legalize weed, and give you healthcare access on day 1 - just need 69 more donations of $25 by midnight tonight!
No matter how many times i respond “Stop” they always try again sooner or later. It’s completely ineffective now though, all I’m reminded of when i receive any of those messages is that they are lying to get money. Plain and simple.
If I got a dollar for every time I got a donation message about how this time they’ll follow up on promises from a decade ago, I’d probably have enough to lobby for it to happen.
I blame it on people too stupid to vote for someone other than Trump.
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The largest percentage of the election was that of voters that didn’t vote, and the division between republican and democratic votes was less than half a percent, if I remember correctly.
Most are just sick of the system that’s oppressing us and are conflicted on how to fix it, or just don’t know enough to have an opinion.
~64% of eligible voters did so. So technically, the majority did vote, but damn that seems like a weak turnout given the stakes at hand.
That majority of non voters is the second leading reason Trump was elected. Them not voting is only marginally better than voting for a fascist and they don’t get a pass because the system is flawed. Millions of other people got out and did it, and while I know there is interference for a lot of people, it’s not for the majority. Silence is complacency, and the vast majority of those non voters fall squarely in that category.
So the vast majority decided to vote for Trump and not vote against Trump, and that’s an unfortunate fact that American as a whole has gone all in on fascism, and it’s not even debatable if that’s what the country wanted.
Couch sitters, too. If you’re so apathetic or ignorant you think not voting because you erroneously believed the BoTH sIDeS bullshit or voting Trump was better, that is the problem.
But then you must trace the root of why people are ignorant and apathetic to the right-wing propaganda machine both foreign and domestic.
Blue no matter who’s, too. People blindly supporting their party and trying to silence any criticism leading to a party that only gets worse each election, are the problem.
Despite people’s ignorance on the topic the Democrats are also apart of the global right wing propaganda machine mind you, they are also a capitalist party.
Honestly, is there any election you can think of where there was an alternative on the ballot who was better than the blue though? I genuinely can’t think of a time.
Ah yes, choosing between genocide and someone who will commit genocide. Definitely the voters fault.
Ah yes, because in a binary choice outcome, you decide to take the greater poison not only in terms of genocide (which yes, a genocide can always get worse), but also worsening a genocide by Russia in Ukraine, women’s bodily autonomy, climate change, Healthcare, and LGBTQ+ rights.
That sure makes sense… I think they call that throwing the baby out with the bathwater?
Politicians can’t be blamed when they fail their job of earning and swaying voters, its the voter’s fault for not being interested in a lack of meaningful change. That’s the Democrat way.
Telling too that the Democratic leadership said after the fact that one of the reasons they lost was that they relied too much on small donators instead of billionaire donators. Disgusting
They even tried going after minorities, it was fucking appalling.
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Trying to say giving any attention to these issues is why they lost, despite the fact that these were barely topics bought up by Kamala or Biden or any political figure.
tl;dr: Transcapegoating.
Clearly the problem is they were too woke 😔
Hate seeing this shit… “Democrats went way too far left with the pronouns stuff, so people overcorrected.”
Fucking bullshit. They don’t know what “left” means anymore.
Which of course means they’ve learned absolutely nothing, and we can look forward to more of the same awful messaging and misguided/corrupt representation next time.
Dems need to be replaced with a new party, I know FPTP is a challenge but the alternatives are worse.
I’d bet 20 bucks right now that the DNC will figure out some way to lose the midterms as well.
as someone who has been a dem my whole life, I agree. I feel like my political party has completely failed me, but at least for now, it’s the strongest form of defense we have against Fascism in our country, so I’m kind of stuck here.
I agree with replacing the Dems, but are you meaning to say the alternatives to FPTP are worse? FPTP is the reason we are in the situation we are in imo.
Not at all, I’m saying the alternatives to not dismantling FPTP to enable new parties are worse. As in, we have got to get rid of it and elect an actual populist on the left, or the Dems and Repugs will bring about the end of the American empire through unbridled greed.
Weren’t they the ones touting their ‘largest warchest ever’ sometime around Harris taking up the mantle last year?
They were. Where’s that money now?
The war chest was campaign money for the biden/harris ticket, so if they went with someone who wasn’t on the ticket they couldn’t spend the money.
This was the convenient excuse they manufactured so they could appear as though their hands were tied when just running biden again, and then kamala when that failed.
She burned through something like a billion and a half dollars if I remember right. She gave a shitload to rich celebrity endorsements.
This in particular pissed me off. Soon as the news broke, here’s me:
“Are you fucking kidding me?! You make the rich celebrities pay YOU, not the other way around. If they have to be paid to endorse you, then they aren’t fucking endorsing you. They’re making their down payment on bribery!”
Gotta love how they got rich by losing, and the American people are poorer than ever with Trump’s victory…
In the pockets of consultants
In other news, waterologists broadly agree water is wet.
I blame it mostly on Biden refusing to drop out, but yes political consultant bullshitters and billionaires are a huge problem. AIPAC especially.
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It’s literally their jobs to prevent this kind of thing and they dropped the ball so hard to protect corporate interests.
When you get paid to do what you’re told to do, that’s your job.
They weren’t paid to stop Trump, they were paid to delay Trump. They weren’t paid to bring reforms, they were paid so “nothing will fundementally change”. They weren’t paid to stop Trump, they’re being paid right now to vote yes on Trump’s wishes.
Not to mention their perpetual blackballing of anyone actually progressive in the party. The neoliberal arm of the DNC has done nearly as much damage to this country as the Republicans have.
For sure. I really do wish someday we will have a serious progressive movement in this country in my lifetime. I HIGHLY DOUBT IT THOUGH!
To be honest I’m not even sure DNC has authority over Biden. If Biden says, '“fuck you I’m staying” the DNC has no authority to say otherwise. Within the context of Biden who if one knows his history of politics, being shunned again might force him to double-down more.
I despise the DNC ever since Hillary but I’m fairly sure many of them knew Biden would fuck us but had no power to say otherwise. Maybe I’m wrong?
I’m fully convinced they slow rolled the Trump prosecution so that they could use him to fundraise. I’m half convinced they slow rolled it because they were going to just let it slide if it was clear Trump was going to stay out of politics, because the ghoul club looks out for each other behind the scenes.
And yeah, there’s an actual laundry list of places where they fucked up hard on this last election. A non-exhaustive list includes:
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Lying about Biden’s condition/ not pushing him to step aside because the establishment democrats considers seniority to be the holiest of all political attributes. It’s why they were SO pissed that Obama cut Hillary off and they went on about “it’s her turn!” in '16. Tbh, it’s probably just as much a part of why they shut Sanders out in '16 as him being progressive. Anyway, this meant that we had basically a sham primary. Yes, it was a real primary, but we all know the incumbent always wins the primary, and they lied over and over about his condition until that shit was over with. So, no, I don’t think you can really say it was a fair election, because voters were deliberately deceived by their own party.
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Colluding to get Biden put in. I know someone’s going to come and tell me that the '20 primary was 100% legit and totally not sketchy at all, but I’ll never forget Biden showing up to those debates looking like a freshly reanimated corpse and, all of the sudden, he wins South Carolina (which I do consider legitimate) and all the other candidates start dropping out and giving their delegates to him (which I consider illegitimate because it really smelled coordinated and allowing candidates to pledge their delegates forward is sketchy AF). To me, this is the original sin here. Biden wasn’t a god awful president, but they knew he wasn’t the best candidate they could possibly run, they knew his history, and I will never ever be convinced that they picked Kamala because she was the right person for the job. They picked Kamala because she landed some absolute body shots on Biden about racism in the primary debates, and they needed to clean that radioactive spill up. I think they felt that the most expedient means of doing so was for Joe to get Kamala. I don’t think for two seconds that Kamala was Joe’s choice. This wouldn’t have been all bad if they’d committed to working on polishing Kamala up and getting her out there in the public eye and grooming her as a viable independent candidate a la Gore, but they didn’t. They kinda just shoved her into the broom closet after Biden won and only dug her out after he blew his legs own off on the debate stage. So, that stupid fucking maneuver to shut Sanders out in '20 gave us a president that not many people were excited about; a VP that neither the president, nor the DNC, nor the people liked who would go on to be his natural successor on the campaign trail; all while ensuring that said VP had no distinct political image, and even, due to the righteous trait of seniority, forcing Kamala to assure voters that she absolutely adored Biden’s unpopular policies.
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The DNC didn’t even trust their own candidates. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Kamala is God awful; I wouldn’t have picked her, but she had enough good qualities to work with to stand on her own if they’d trusted her. This is especially true with Walz on her team; they had some real potential if the DNC had got the fuck out of the way and stopped focus grouping them to death. Instead, they picked Kamala and played up what little leftist cred she had and then foisted HRC’s campaign staff on her, made her talk about limited means-tested small business aid, and got celebrities to make guest appearances. They got Walz for his incredible shit talking abilities, then muzzled him. They saw the campaign starting to make its own identity separate from Biden and screamed “NO, YOU’LL DISHONOR OUR SPECIAL BOY. HE WON’T KNOW, BUT WE WILL!” They saw the populist moment, the people crying out for change, and went “hey, shut up, offer them means tested tax assistance. Here’s Obama lecturing down to our base, that always goes over well”.
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They abandoned their strategy of talking about what a dangerous fascist Trump was after that kid in Pennsylvania nearly started a GoFundMe for Trump’s family. Trump didn’t stop being a dangerous fascist, but the appearance of decency was more important than speaking the truth. If Trump didn’t want to get his goddamn brains blown out, maybe don’t go having fascist rallies in open fields. But it gave the perception that they didn’t really believe that he was a dangerous fascist, that they were just saying it until they realized it was dangerous to say it. This was a huge mistake, imo.
I agree, and so does Pelosi
The Dems are a fundraising organization, nothing more, and they love using Trump to do it.
I wonder if she ever went on to have a moment of self reflection there. I doubt it, but I do wonder.
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Bravo! Thank you for saying this, and so well.
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Corporate democrats #1 policy: protect the 1% at all costs
Proper headline:
“Harris Chose Billionaires Over Working Class; Voters Chose to Burn It Down Rather Than Submit to More Democrat Pretending”
If the choice is between a fast death with Trump and a slow death with corporate Democrats morphing into Republicans, can we really blame folks for choosing a fast death?
We need progressive, true left politics if we ever want to recover.
I have an irrational fear of heights. That said, I’d rather go skydiving than a lot of other things involving heights because if it goes poorly, I’ll likely have instant death. Your framing of the issue gives me odd comfort. Thanks.
The thing is that Trump isn’t a fast death. It’s not like in 3 more years we’ll all just be gone pain free. Most of us will have to keep going in whatever hellscape these Nazis bring upon us, which as shitty as the DNC and most Democrats are, that hellscape would probably be more tolerable.
It’s more like skydiving into a hot desert without resources with Democrats, and skydiving into a desert full of racist cacti without resources with Republicans. You’ll likely survive the landing, but you have to earn everything yourself to survive and in one situation, racist cacti are inflicting pain, especially if you’re not white.
Yep! You know the vast majority of people with this mindset are so privileged they think “it won’t be that bad for me” but many of us, women, POC, our lgbtq community all understand that we actually have very very much to lose because we don’t take what we have for granted the way privileged (white men) people do.
The poison is not medicine and a lot of people are going to genuinely suffer, their is no “fast death” coming for anyone
can we really blame folks for choosing a fast death?
Yes.
One option has opportunity, the other is… This horseshit.
Yes, I will absolutely blame any accelerationist, every time.
Edit: If you think more people getting more hurt is OK because it might result in a more left future later, just fucking block me now please. And also gfy.
I mean, yea, I will absolutely blame people that voted for Trump as the reason Trump got elected. Anyone that voted for the “fast death by Trump” is a red coat moron that ushered this in. I’d much rather deal with slimy Democrats that at least throw us the occasional bone and aren’t actively attacking various minority groups over the current fascist state of affairs.
Suggesting that people that voted for him are somehow victims or not to blame is an insult to everyone else and gives credence and excuse to being a worthless human.
In 2029 there will be a headline exactly like this one, the only variables are wether Bernie and elections will still be around.
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A few posts down in my feed is a photo of children zip tied in immigration court and it is fucking disgusting. There would be other problems in a Harris admin. But maybe we wouldn’t zip tie little kids.
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DNC is an enemy of the people.
Sure, they might not be starting concentration camps and sieg heiling. but the actions they have taken have directly enabled the ones who are goose stepping down Pennsylvania avenue.
The “nice” style liberals have no tools to fight actual fascists. They’re career politicians. They don’t understand an ideological opponent.
They don’t get that these people will literally demolish governments, throw us into civil wars, and poison the planet for all humanity, rather than feel their power to dominate the weak diminished by one nanoangstrom.
In FPTP, you don’t have much choice but to vote against what you don’t want, but I would argue that it’s still important to vote, so long as that isn’t all that you do.
I’m also living under FPTP, and voted “third party” because I believe a plurality of choices is beneficial, even though our conservative party was scary close to winning… but that’s just how it’ll always end up under FPTP: the right end will get more and more ghoulish until the centrist party is the safest vote in opposition. Together, they both suck up all the votes into the neoliberal duopoly, where neither side meaningfully challenges the underlying conditions that make life worse for increasingly large sections of people.
Anyway, of arguably greater impact than voting is actually figuring out who represents you, and letting them know what’s important to you. Canvassing for candidates who you actually do support. That sort of thing.
Sorry about the little rant. I’m sure you’re aware of this dynamic. I just felt compelled.
