She tried to dance to the middle when Trump had a stranglehold on his cult of voters. Really stupid.
The middle? She was cavorting with Liz Cheney!
Voters don’t get to decide where the middle is.
I’m pretty tired of people nagging voters to follow the rules the framing they set forth. Trolley problem, “voters dont get to decide where the middle is”, etc.
We do have other options, but I don’t think they are realistic. Mass obstructive protests will probably push the DNC closer to the right (granted I could be wrong about this, but we are talking about a very out of touch and clueless institution of what amounts to be another ruling class) or violence which I do not think anyone in the country is truly ready for despite what everyone says.
Why should we be agonizing about what they will do instead of making them ask what we will do? We’ve turned the power dynamic around. What we need to band together and let them know that we wont vote for any of them if they continue with the sellout shenanigans on many fronts. No more deals. No more assumption that the dem brand means they are on our side.
And we cant just play chicken with them, we have to mean it. If they dont come to us and earn your vote, then dont settle for whatever 99% republican drivel they try to serve us. This isnt a negotiation with the rich, its us deciding if the dems will even exist anymore as a party.
No more “vote blue no matter who”. They just use that to ream us. That “D” needs to mean what we make it mean, not what they tell us they want it to mean. Thats exactly how we ended up supporting some theocracy’s dirty war crimes.
From now on I dont give the dems my vote by default. They earn it, and if I dont know their policies, I wont assume they are good.
Oh I fully agree, I almost didn’t vote for her, she sucked ALL the hope out of her campaign, she had SO MUCH MOMENTUM, all she had to do was keep constantly showing up on the press to point out how incompetent Trump was and clearly appear competent. All she had to do was keep putting out positive messages about protecting rights and returning the country to normal and not insane racist hate land and it would have been a slam dunk. Coming up with ‘‘well… I am totally willing to meet genocide in the middle, if that’s important to you’’ was an insane gut punch.
Democrats got paid to lose plain and simple
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Totally going to codify Roe, legalize weed, and give you healthcare access on day 1 - just need 69 more donations of $25 by midnight tonight!
No matter how many times i respond “Stop” they always try again sooner or later. It’s completely ineffective now though, all I’m reminded of when i receive any of those messages is that they are lying to get money. Plain and simple.
If I got a dollar for every time I got a donation message about how this time they’ll follow up on promises from a decade ago, I’d probably have enough to lobby for it to happen.
I’m so glad we’re still establishing blame for our country descending into fascism. The Dems are in fantastic political shape and have a coherent plan to keep our democracy together.
…this was sarcasm, right?
Yes. Yes it was.
I’m pretty far left of Harris ideologically and never really liked her or thought she was worthy of these powerful offices. I also never really expected that much from her. That being said, I was passionate about dropping Biden and supporting her campaign even at that late hour, given the immense implications of electing trump for a second term. I donated money, and rallied friends and family to get on board. Then she did that DNC speech and talked about the ‘strongest military’ yadda yadda yadda. All of that energy and enthusiasm instantly evaporated. Nothing she or her campaign did after that motivated any active support from me and I had to really fight off the urge to not vote for her. I’m entirely done with the Democratic Party as run by the current regime. Unless that party reforms, the US is absolute toast.
Well said, I had the exact same thought experience, and I am at the exact same conclusion.
Please allow me to take an extra strength Vitamin Duh.
DUH!
It is perfectly fine, in fact it would be incredibly refreshing & welcome, to admit…she was a shitty candidate. Fuck, she was so terribly bad. And Tim Walz was a bad pick, too.
Everything was fake. Every day it unraveled more. She was caught saying things like, “I am different than Biden, I am not Biden, do not let his presidency reflect on me.” What would you do differently? “Nothing, I wouldn’t change anything.” Okay…so…how are you different if everything Biden did was totally great & you wouldn’t do anything differently?? 🤡 Heavily paraphrased, of course, the convos were more detailed (which only made it worse).
It’s fine to say Kamala Harris was a cringe candidate. Completely unwanted, unelected, unqualified. Biden bowed out & the DNC shoved her in; there is no logical reason to continue to own her as your candidate & representative. You don’t bring dead babies to Passover. This is an opportunity to rebrand the Democrat Party, to refocus on issues that actually matter. That is to say…if anyone still gives a goddamn about the issues that actually matter.
And Bernie would be right. I hope to god that Kamala sits out the next election.
She will. Haven’t heard her name in 5 months. I honestly think by next election she will be entirely forgotten.
Unfortunately not. She’s already moving to run for governor of California in 2026, as a platform for another 2028 Presidential run.
She has a decent shot of winning too, with the Republicans who are paying attention and the Democrats who aren’t.
Unfortunately politics is just a popularity contest for most people, so a lot of people aren’t paying attention.
assuming that we’ll even have an election and not just the theatre of one.
I don’t dislike Kamala, and Trump is a sociopath. I realize Joe Biden probably had cancer before he dropped out and that’s why he dropped out. But I have to also say that voters probably didn’t like the bait and switch approach where they suddenly felt they had to support her simply because she appeared as the candidate in the last legs of the campaign. I think diversity and female leadership is important, but probably asking undecided voters to go for a POC woman when that’s not who they started out supporting probably didn’t help. Old white centrists don’t like that, and she didn’t have time to build a campaign and show her skills like Obama did. Probably a good chunk of people straddling the line vote wise didn’t love that. We had this happen in Canada recently with our new prime minister Carney, but he’s an older white centrist dude, and we were clearly ok to hold our noses and do it to keep out the conservatives, but I think if it was someone like Kamala they might not have won.
Biden didn’t drop out because of his cancer. He dropped out because that disastrous debate made it impossible for him to win. If he had really wanted to drop for his health, he would have done it at least the year before to give time for a primary.
Even without the debate, Bidens poll numbers for years before the debate made it impossible for him to win. No candidate has ever come from that far behind and won. When Roe went down on his watch his numbers cratered and never recovered. The DNC knew this but they wanted their AIPAC war to continue uninterrupted, or else give the chair to trump, who was their desired pick anyway. So they bought that outcome.
I see a lot of these postmortems and I don’t know what combination of them is the actual truth, but I wasn’t the slightest bit surprised when she lost. As soon as she got the nomination I thought it was likely.
For what it’s worth, here is my take on her as one Californian that’s had to deal with her since before 2010 when she ran for attorney general:
- Even before she ran for attorney general, I was constantly hearing about all kinds of awful stuff the SF district attorney’s office was doing under her leadership even though I’m not from SF county.
- I was very disappointed when she got the nomination for attorney general because I didn’t want her policies applied statewide. I voted against her in the primary but of course I held my nose and voted for her over the R in the general.
- I don’t recall who I voted for in the 2016 primary for Senate but it wasn’t her, or blue dog Sanchez. I think I barely tilted toward Sanchez in the general but I honestly can’t remember. I was so disappointed in those choices that I didn’t really give a shit. I thought we could do better in California than two conserva-dems, especially with the top-2 primary system.
- Never even considered voting for that cop in a presidential primary.
- Didn’t like that she was the bottom of the ticket in 2020 especially considering Biden’s age, but the alternative was clear.
- Of course, due to the alternative I voted for her in 2024 but without one iota of enthusiasm. I think I may have been more enthused to vote for John fucking Kerry, but that was a long time ago, it’s hard to remember my feelings for a block of wood.
A small silver lining to her losing is I’ll never have to hold my nose and vote for her ever again.
She lost because she just sucks. Whether an individual’s reason for thinking she sucks and not being excited about her was based on misogyny, racism, her record of public service, her policy goals, or her personality doesn’t matter. I didn’t know anybody excited to vote for her. I knew some people excited to vote for a WOC, but not her as a person. A little enthusiasm was what was needed to turn the tide in the three states that mattered this time.
As soon as Biden dropped out too late for an actual primary, we already lost.
LMAO drop the act, you and all Dems know that if they run her again you WILL VOTE for her, no matter what
Until the Dem party tells you to vote someone else
I would vote for even your overused waifu themed cumsock over any MAGA candidate, so yes. Yes I would.
i wish bernie won in 2016 :(
But we needed to give the ghoul Hillary a chance, it was her turn.
Her turn to give Trump the presidency.
I know Gore won in 2000, we just gloss over the theft and the nazis scream about rigged elections because every accusation is a confession.
I’m 99% certain Musk helped Trump rig this election. I think the only reason the Dems didn’t fight it was because they had spent the last 4 years telling everyone how solid our election system was and near impossible to rig.
I’m not disagreeing with the fact that the Democratic Party shouldn’t be cozying up with billionaires, but I’m not convinced that the most significant reason for the Harris’ loss. I think misogyny played a role.
I think Democrats don’t know how to create a zeitgeist of high-brow, uplifting pugnacity that punches through bullshit. “Oh you think ‘boys’ should be able to play in women’s sports?” “It’s a game!” “You sound pretty privileged to not have to think about scholarships for students to go to college!” “Shut the fuck up about peoples’ genitals, and let’s do something about people going to school. Let’s prepare children for the real world in school while they’re growing up, and if they want to go off to college after that, let’s make that affordable.”
The “Green New Deal” — do want to grow the economy with new industries? Do you know how much more expensive living with the consequences of climate change will be — do you like the cost of housing now?
“Poor people should have to work to receive help.” — (1) They already do, and (2) shut the fuck up and stop calling yourself a Christian unless you want to at least pretend to know the tenets of your religion. You would have been whipped in the temple.
Stop giving Republicans so many opportunities to go on bullshitting without checking them. That won’t immediately manifest the world we want to see, but it will at least shift the momentum.
Of course misogyny played a role. A million factors played a role, but most of those she couldn’t control. How she campaigns is something she could control, and that’s something she fucked up.
In 2029 there will be a headline exactly like this one, the only variables are wether Bernie and elections will still be around.
If she wasn’t going to be participating in a genocide, then she maybe could have won
It’s not just Kamala Harris, it is democrats in general. I get that they want the first woman president … but its not going to happen in this political environment. Many Hatian immigrants that voted for Trump just because they don’t think a woman can be president. Copy that … Trump said these people are eating cats and they still voted for him. Hispanics? News flash, they are predominantly Catholic … so Pro Choice doesn’t go over well for them. Then people got angry because Kamala skipped the whole nomination prosses. Stuff like this is why she lost. Biden should have ran, then resigned after he beat Trump again.
Biden wasn’t ever going to beat trump after that complete failure of a debate. Harris was the dems Hail Mary play after they finally realized that.
Yeah I thought the odds of her winning were less than 50% but they were still bette than the odds of Biden winning again.
We have literal scientific proof that voters don’t give a shit if the candidate is a man or a woman.
Please really do stop this narrative. It makes more damage than you think
You can’t have “scientific proof” on an opinion. That’s dumb. If voters don’t care if the candidate is a man or woman THEN WHY HAVE THEY ALL BEEN MEN? I think that ends your “science” right there.
This was the weirdest response I have ever had on Lemmy … congrats.
Yeah man, fuck scientific research I guess, your totally sustainable anecdotal evidence is proof enough
How’s Kamala victory working out for you btw
You make no sense.
My point: The US is not ready fir a woman president and won’t elect one. Dems need to stop running women.
Your Point (apparently): Science says voters don’t care if the candidate is male or female.
Let’s test your theory in the laboratory of life. To be correct by your measure the US should have around a 50% male/female ratio, we will say 40/60 proves it as well.
There have been 45 people elected to the 60 US presidential terms.
Let’s look at the elected presidents. By your measure, should it not matter to voters, we should have had 20-23 women as president. We should also have 40-50% women in Congress, the House, and Senate. Let’s check those numbers …
of US presidents in history: None
Women in politics is currently the highest it has ever been. The numbers are 28% in Congress, 29% in the House and 25% in the Senate.
Hmmm … it looks like there is a substantial difference in how voters feel.
This is the part where you throw a fit and start name calling.
No way Biden wins a second time. His mind was critically failing during the debates, the average voter saw that, and minorities didn’t win him the election overall, white people did.
His mind was critically failing during the debates, the average voter saw that, and minorities didn’t win him the election overall, white people did.
Remember saying that and being called a useful idiot who bought into Propaganda? Pepperidge farm remembers.
And now they blame non-whites for the failures of the old racist dude and his token friend.
Biden should have ran
Even before the Jun 27 debate fiasco, the polls always showed that Biden had very little chance of winning. He was trying to actively facilitate a AIPAC genocide and simultaneously win a close campaign race from the “left” party. If the DNC had run a real primary process, and if the media had held Biden to his promise to only run a single term, things might have been different.
Cuz they all went to billionaire schools that tells them support billionaires and the economy will be good.
“vote for the least worse bruh”
We don’t want to vote for the least worse, we want to vote for the best.
That will require electoral reform
What does agent Smith have to do with anything?
You hear that, voters?.. That is the sound of inevitability…
How will you vote… without a mouth?
